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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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Keith Olbermann...
...doesn't deserve to be attacked here. Keith has been a huge friend to the values of the Democratic Party, on everything from pre-emptive war, to illegal wiretaps to torture and more. What has happened to Democrats?? Are our memories really that short?

I agree with many on DU that the quality of the show is changing, and that the first half-hour was always the best. :) Lately, it is too much about the horse race and not about the issues. I think that is a discussion worth having. BUT...and this is important...


WE CAN NEVER REPAY HIM FOR OR FORGET THE EFFECT OF THOSE EARLY SPECIAL COMMENTS.


His patriotism could have cost him his job, and he became our voice, anyway. I hate to think where we (the country) would be if someone hadn't played the role he did. We probably would still have a Republican House and Senate, and the oversight and investigations currently exposing the truth would not be happening.

Now, we are in a new presidential election environment. It's tough...but we Democrats cannot forget what we are fighting for...and that we share a common goal. We have different views on who is best to lead us to this goal...and I'm sure (as a very informed citizen) Keith Olbermann has his view. I have no problem with agreeing or disagreeing with who he thinks should lead.

But loyalty is important. We owe Keith Olbermann...the country owes him a lot. We can never forget that.

:patriot:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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1. Yup
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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2. AMEN Sister! nt
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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3. We're going to need him big time during the GE
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:09 PM
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8. Yes we will...
...still need him. :)
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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4. Agreed 100%.
100% Patriot.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:04 PM
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5. Keith has been the only public voice to put the spotlight on Bush and his crimes.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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6. Repay him...?
Be loyal to him? Good grief. He is supposed to be a journalist - a job he is not doing.

The country owes him nothing and we don't owe him jack shit - he just needs to do his job. Oh wait - his job is to increase the numbers in the 18-35 demo for the GE corporation.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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7. He's pushed MSNBC to the left ... we're seeing Rachel Maddow more
and even Dan Abrams has begun his "Bush League Justice"
segment that's pushing hard for an investigation into the
Siegelman case. During an election year, he's going to
HAVE to focus on the horse race -- most every show does
and if he wants to stay on the air, he has to compete --
but he hasn't exactly checked out on EVERY other issue.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:12 PM
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9. Very good point. And I...
...think MSNBC going to the left helps move the country to a more progressive position. Heaven knows we need to, after living the last 7+ years in radical right territory. :7
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:48 PM
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43. Rachel Maddow & David Shuster are a big plus to MSNBC
Wish they could get their own program, and toss Tucker to the Wolves. And let Coffee Joe shill for Starbucks.
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:39 PM
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87. Good Idea
They should replace morning Joe with Rachel Maddow. Then again I would never get anything thing done in the morning then.....
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:25 PM
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104. Can't we have one f-ing station that leans left,
FOX is ultra-far right, CNN tilts right, I say it's about damn time one station at least leans at little to the left....

Besides, Morning Joe (I can't stand that guy), Carlson, Matthews aren't exactly lefties, so MSNBC is certainly closer to the center than FOX is...
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:12 PM
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10. absolutely
He's doing a good job!

People who ask for perfection []/i] (that he only cover what they are passionate about) are asking too much.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:13 PM
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11. He was the only voice in the Wilderness of the Media that
gave me hope and a refuge.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM
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28. We can't forget that...
...EVER.:pals:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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12. Maybe you're right , and all but,
I'm quickly losing interest in most of what he's doing and his guests too.I guess I fall outside the target demo.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:31 PM
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20. I agree with you...
...about losing interest, believe it or not. But I'll remain loyal and email the show about content. And I'd never disrespect KO...EVER.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:59 PM
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79. I have not been able to locate
an e-mail address....do you have one?

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 AM
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108. Email...
... KOlbermann@msnbc.com countdown@msnbc.com

Try these. :)
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:10 PM
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119. Thank you!
I need to see a mea culpa or two! particularly for the whole "It was the Clinton campaign, NOT the Obama campaign..." declaration!
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:00 PM
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44. I wonder how much he is directed and how much he can have his own way. He hates the infotainment
segments he is forced to do - like Brittany stuff and American Idol stuff. I'm sure he'd much rather be doing real news for the whole show, but it's not like he's in full charge there.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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13. I admire KO tremendously--but lately, have had to switch stations a lot-
especially when pat buchanan or the like is one of the commentators.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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26. Buchanan is one of my least...
...favorite guests. I think he's been on because of election season and he's establishment.

On the positive side...maybe some in the audience (new to Countdown) will find Keith more credible if these types are on...??? Who knows.
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:42 PM
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88. I could do without Buchanan
I don't like seeing him as a guest. You are probably right that he will only last until the election is over. Let's hope that it's over, or at least calms down, soon.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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14. BRAVO!! BRAVO!!

I heart our KO!!










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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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15. it amazed me how people have turned on him because he says
something even minutely perhaps true about their person. he's the only gutsy jounalist out there.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:32 PM
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23. Me, too...
...:)
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM
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16. And he's bashing the hell out of Hillary.............
Fuck Keith and MSNBC!

Maybe I'll tune in again after the Dem nom is official!

Until then, fuck Keith, Stephanie Miller, Ed Schulz, Randi Rhodes and the bandwagon they rode in on!
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Johnny Potpie Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:31 PM
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21. Spare me
Fuck Keith?!? For what, enlightening us about the Clinton campaign? For reporting the bads on Hillary? Cover your ears and eyes then. There is alot there.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:32 PM
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24. Put your head in the sand
McCain is coming!
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:31 PM
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22. Uhhhh
Who was pressumptive winner from day one? Can we say Clinton? Why should they not criticize her? What specifically did you objet to, the fact that they don't agree with you? Did they say something that wasn't true about her, or are they ill-informed as usual?

And why the bad language for people who disagree on this one thing? Why the need to hate?

Peace,
Tex Shelters
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:39 PM
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29. If we hate...
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:40 PM by YvonneCa
...we lose. All of us.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:43 PM
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32. You ask a lot of questions.........
But, the bad language is not for anybody on this board. (If you re-read my post I'm sure you'll agree.)

The bad language is for the Anti-Hillary faction of the MSM. Sen. Clinton is being "Gored" and I don't like it!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:55 PM
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55. you think she's being "Gored" now? just wait........
I'll stick with KO, he's been the lone voice, these many years, to call out this administration on their bullshit tactics, and this disaster of "war". If he can survive that, I think he can survive a few Hillary loyalists tuning him out. Besides, his key demo is the same as Obama's, so I suspect he'll come out on the better end of this newfound hate.

Clinton's message (whatever the hell it is) doesn't stir young or jaded voters, Obama's does. I would remind you all that if she should somehow wind up in the WH again, Keith's is one of only a handful of voices in the MSM that will be defending her. Keep your friends close..........
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:10 PM
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83. Criticism is one thing
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 02:11 PM by polmaven
but what he has been doing lately is more than that.

It's like the rest of MSNBC....Abrams aside....Bash Hillary all the time....True or not...Take anonymous reports..like "someone form the Clinton campaign called us" and equating it as a fact that it was Clinton's campaign.. NOT Obama's campaign that told the Canadians that the NAFTA talk was just talk......

If the part about the anonymous "someone" is even true, it doesn't equate with a meeting with a named person.

Senator Obama doesn't need to spend money as long as MSNBC is in the picture.

I am SO disappointed....My Keith is letting me down regarding Hillary.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:23 AM
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71. It's a pretty large bandwagon of folks we have trusted. Perhaps they have something . . . .
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:13 PM
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120. Yes Fuck Keith! Sean and Rush and Neil are so much better!!!
:sarcasm:
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:16 AM
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126. Sorry that most liberals aren't kissing Hillary's feet
Shows the fragile mind of Hillary supporters who can't withstand all the criticsm that Hillary gets from true liberals.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:28 PM
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17. Here Here!
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:29 PM
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18. Seriously!!!
There would be no "real news" without Keith!!
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:30 PM
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19. K&R & Thank you!
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:33 PM
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25. You are most...
...welcome. Here's to Keith! :toast:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:37 PM
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27. How soon people forget...
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
KO has repeatedly defended Clinton when she needed it -- he has also spanked her good when she needed it.

I always find is so amusing when folks get their panties in a wad when someone like a Jon Stewart or KO or Bill Maher or Michael Moore has the temerity to call out a Dem/their favorite candidate when they person needs a calling out.

I want and expect all of the above to speak out about situations in an honest way, regardless of party affiliation.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:42 PM
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31. It's also possible to defend your person...
...with civility and respect. If we hate, we lose.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:14 PM
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38. Agreed completely!
:hi:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:18 AM
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109. ...
...:hi:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:41 AM
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70. if we hate, we lose
how appropriate is that, very, we have to unite too, and remain focused on getting a Dem in the WH, too many people from outside of the US are watching. I do not want a replay of 2004 election please.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:20 AM
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110. We will...
...unite. Those of us who want our party strong to win just need to be loud about it. :7
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:43 PM
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33. Well said!
Nuff said!

Tex Shelters
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:13 PM
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40. I'm with you Hell Hath No Fury
IMHO KO is the most honest journalist on TV. I expect him to call out the crap on both Clinton and Obama - which he has done.

I'm not real thrilled with Abrams at times as well - I thought he was shilling a bit last couple of times I caught him - but I'm not whining about it.

And let me make this clear - I do not think KO is shilling for either candidate!
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:48 PM
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89. People have forgotten.....
...that dems can do any wrong. All of the people you mentioned have had so much material to work with from the Republican side that veiwers must be shocked that those same people can find things to criticize about dems.

Whats fair is fair. They should speak out no matter what party it is and tell it like it is, how else can we get the truth?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM
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30. I don't know what he said, but it seems to me that we can't ask him not to be "honest" when it does
not suit us?
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:23 AM
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111. Truth is always good. n/t
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:50 PM
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34. Absolutely!
K & R this one to everyone you know! Without Keith weeknights would be boring as hell for me!
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:08 PM
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35. Oh?
Fuck Olbermann. He's a hypocrite, an alarmist, and a smug bore.
His "common goal" is not for the Democratic party. He tows the network line and does what his bosses tell him to. You owe him nothing.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:52 PM
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78. Oh yourself
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:54 PM by ovidsen
Having once worked with Keith (a long time ago; still proud of it) and GE's NBC (not so proud of it) I can tell you with certainty that his bosses aren't as interested in what he says as how many people watch him.

He fell backwards into "Countdown" after MSNBC's experiment with Phil Dohahue bombed. Under the circumstances, and knowing what blowhards the suits at GE are, I think he's done magnificently. He's carried a moderate-to-left message on a network owned by bottom-line obsessed (anyone remember "Neutron" Jack Welch? Under him, GE took over companies. The buildings stood, but all the people disappeared. I know. I was there. poof!) and war-profiteering parasites, so under the circumstances, I'd say Keith is doing quite nicely.

Yes, quite nicely. For himself, for (God save me for saying this) for GE.... and (most importantly) for US.

edit for grammar.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:29 AM
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113. And that's the real ...
...world truth. The fact that KO has this megaphone has been good for his bosses at GE...but, as luck would have it, he was also able to do the country some good.

Thanks for sharing your story.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:25 AM
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112. You may owe him nothing...
...but I'll speak for myself. :)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:08 PM
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36. people are attacking him???
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:10 PM by LSK
This primary love affair with candidates at the expense of the truth is sickening.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:12 PM
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37. But, but ... he's a "HERETIC!!" according to the Temple of the Blue Dog acolytes.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:16 PM by TahitiNut
:eyes: Canine forbid he not bow and scrape at the mere mention of The Puppy Priestess! :eyes:

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:24 PM
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39. I still love KO
As far as I'm concerned he was, and still is, one of the few voices we have left that will speak the truth. I may not always agree with him but I will not condemn him.

K&R for KO
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:14 PM
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98. We're a big tent...
...Here in the Democratic Party, and it's not necessary to always agree, IMHO. But it's wrong (also IMHO) to trash our leaders...and Keith has been one. It's possible to disagree civilly.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:41 PM
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41. Well said, YvonneCa!!!!
KO IS our friend.

He single-handedly began the infusion of Progressive values into the MSM. Without him, the Repukes would be taking another election to the bank.

KO is a Democratic hero! :patriot: :dem:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM
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97. He sure is...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:11 PM by YvonneCa
...a hero. It's important that we remember that. (And thank YOU.)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:45 PM
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42. I still like Keith
but he's losing his base with all this election crap. We want real politics - more investigative reports. Tell KO we're waiting on a serious section on Don Siegelman.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:44 PM
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45. I concur. n/t
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:27 PM
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46. Yup.
There are always those at DU who tear down the few real liberal voices in the "liberal media". They are wrong to do so.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:54 PM
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47. Olbermann needs to continue covering the deeper issues behind the horserace...

in order to make up for the lack of depth of coverage by the corporate shilling CNN.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:22 PM
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48. My only complaint about KO is he changed his email w no forwarding address.
:patriot:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:06 PM
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49. Thank you so much for this post. I owe my sanity (or what's left of it) to KO.
Keith rules!
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:19 AM
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127. In the days...
...when it was 'unpatriotic' to question Iraq and so much more, just having ONE person to voice publicly what I was thinking meant a lot. Two was even better (Keith and Al Gore). And Kerry makes three. :7
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:09 PM
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50. his detractors here certainly are not Demorats, they's Clintocrats n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 PM
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52. Clintocrats or Republicrats n/t
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:23 AM
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68. No they are newsocrats
and don't think he's serving the pubic good by avoiding real news to focus this much amount of his show on he-said she-said primary crap when there isn't real news to cover in the campaigns. Is he making America smarter or stupider by not devoting more time to world events?

I want him to cover what's happening in Iraq, in Cuba, in Colombia, in Venezuala, in Iran, in the world of renewable resources, etc. and not in some dumb-downed infotainment way.

When I watch now, his show is indistinguishable from Tweety or Tucker. I watch one of them, then I watch him, and I swear it's the same damn show, same stories, like I'm watching a repeat.

It's criticism he needs to hear. Criticism - when it's valid and constructive - is more important than loyalty oaths. We should have learned that by now.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:04 PM
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80. Exactly, We have so many other pressing events occurring and before his show
became the pundit talking head show, he gave great coverage of other domestic and international issues.

Now, it's all horse race, all the time, and Tim freakin's Russert and Tweety popping up regularly.

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:38 PM
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107. This is what I am concerned about...
...too. You said:

"...don't think he's serving the pubic good by avoiding real news to focus this much amount of his show on he-said she-said primary crap when there isn't real news to cover in the campaigns. Is he making America smarter or stupider by not devoting more time to world events?

I want him to cover what's happening in Iraq, in Cuba, in Colombia, in Venezuala, in Iran, in the world of renewable resources, etc. and not in some dumb-downed infotainment way."


I am concerned that Keith will lose the audience that wants this to be about issues...not about the horserace. I'm not saying he should not cover it at ALL, just that he shouldn't cover it to the exclusion of everything else about the issues. We watch him out of concern for our country and the issues. If he excludes real news about issues (or continues to going forward) he will lose a lot of us.

BUT...because of his heroic Special Comments, I will not trash Keith for that...HIS BOSSES are another matter.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:16 PM
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51. He didn't bow for the queen
That is treason, or so I am to understand from reading GD-P tonight.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:20 PM
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53. i love him, i may not agree with him but i still love him. Meeeeeeyow.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:55 PM
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54. K&R for Keith.
:patriot:

--IMM
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:21 PM
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56. KO does what General Electric tells him.
Of late I see a change in him.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:39 PM
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74. Oh, I don't think so............
If he did what GE believed were the most important values, then he would have been fired after Special Comment number 1.

Why???.. Special Comment #1.. attacked Rumsfield, and the Defense Department is a major purchaser of GE defense related equipment. And guess who was the head of the Defense Department ?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:23 AM
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96. Don't you see....KO was getting a crowd. The Lefties were
listening and rah-rahing. GE was making money. Now that he has the crowd or the 'following,' he changes it up a bit.

Watch whomever you want...just do it with an open mind and open eyes. You'd be better off just to read though.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:28 AM
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57. i'm watching Countdown right now and cheering Keith on!

Damn! He's good! He's not putting up with any crap from any one!

:yourock:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:31 AM
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58. Keith is the BEST!
:patriot:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:34 AM
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59. Amen sister..
Keith is the one of the only true journalists left on MSM. It's encouraging that his ratings continue to rise as almost all of the reighwing shows are losing their audience.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:35 AM
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60. I worship KO. Very intelligent man and I acquire knowledge when
ever I watch his show!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:40 AM
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61. HOORAY for Keith Olbermann!!!
:patriot: :kick:

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:55 AM
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62. We must get a different version of Countdown down here in KS...
because I agreed with almost everything he said tonight. The attack train works both ways, Hillary supporters. In fact, I don't think Keith was hard enough on her. She has proven that she will say or do anything to win the nomination (i.e. 3am ad, her perplexing radical shift rightward in the past few days, and NAFTA-gate). She is a liar and doesn't deserve to be county commissioner, let alone president. Oh, and YES she did lie. When asked about NAFTA -gate and whether she had any involvement, she categorically DENIED it.... Well, what do you know, it was actually HILLARY that told the Canadians to take her NAFTA talk with a grain of salt. And this is why I will never vote for or support her. I don't like categorical liars...
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:36 AM
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114. You MUST get a different version of Countdown...
...there...and DU. Was I saying something about Hillary?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:15 AM
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63. Yep, no matter who you support
it's lunacy to throw our friends under the bus. Anyway, isn't it more likely that all these left wing pundits have thrown their lot in with a certain candidate not because there is some conspiracy, and not because they "hate" the other candidate, but because they feel they are making the best choice? We have supported these people as our friends and as free thinkers, and now we are going to accuse them of being "sheep" or worse, of being on Obama's payroll? What progressive thinking! :eyes:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:22 AM
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64. Why would anyone want to badmouth KO?
:shrug:
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:00 PM
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75. "purists" have been claiming he is sexist, biased, becoming like
Tweety since he has been paired with him for the primary coverage (like he has a choice - like it or not, Tweety is MSNBC's political guru and this is his time. Keith is there because of his popularity with the viewership). He hasn't been a fawning supporter of Hillary which is another reason some here have turned on him. It's sad. I agree with the substance of this post; we owe Keith A LOT. He has been the only one willing ot point out the Clown has no clothes.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:12 AM
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65. But, but, but ... he was MEAN to our second-place finisher who's endorsing the GOP ticket!!
How DARE he!!!!

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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:40 AM
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66. I question KOs substance when ...
1. He takes cheap shots at the 'Brittany Spears' of the world.
2. He's all too willing to accept wrong answers from those with whom he agrees.
3. He pontificates to Bush/Cheney with the supposition that Bush/Cheney will listen.
4 He thinks that Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck are worth mentioning.


That said, I've been more inspired by Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:10 AM
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67. Props to Keith.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:37 AM
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69. listen we may have our opinions about the content of Keith's show
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:45 AM by alyce douglas
for the last half hour, but he did have John Dean on during the last half of the show last nite. I am sure if we have any qualms about Keith's show he would possibly try to change his format than to lose viewers. Just my opinion.

I love Keith too.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:29 PM
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72. Agreed. n/t
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:36 PM
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73. He gave me hope, when there was none...
I have his first 4 or 5 Special Comments. (actually all of them) I played them over and over. There was insight, intelligence, eloquence and a strength of character there I had never seen before. But, there was hope. and what else can one say..
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:16 PM
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99. Me, too...
...Keith and Al Gore (in D.C. in his MLK Day speech). And I remember some of us really needing hope back then.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:00 PM
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76. Why is he attacking another Democrat instead of McCain?
He gives the rw wackos all the ammo they need against her.
Is that really smart?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 PM
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82. He was no friend to Sen. Kerry. I finally gave up watching him during the 2004 election.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
I came back to the show for the Katrina coverage and hung around since. And, I've given him tons of word of mouth to anyone who'll listen. :-)

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:27 PM
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92. Really? I started watching him after the election because he
would talk about what went wrong in Ohio.

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:06 PM
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93. I still remember after Sen. Kerry said,"We need regime change here in this country"
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:10 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
he went on rant about it being the "most ill conceived comment in the history of US politics". He tsked, tsked about the terrible implications of the comment.

He berated Sen. Kerry over superficial BS, right along with Mo Dowd and others. I don't recall him coming to Sen. Kerry's defense from the Swiftboaters, although I will give Chris Matthews credit for not allowing the SB stuff to gain a lot of traction on his show, one of the few times I've accorded him credit for some decency.


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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:22 PM
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102. I didn't watch Keith much during the 2004 ...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:25 PM by YvonneCa
...election. I guess what I believe is that Keith 'woke up' soon after...and because of his courage to voice that in his Special Comments(which he continues to do)...he more than redeemed himself for any previous failings.

P.S. I love your sig line. :)
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:18 PM
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100. So did I...
...pirhana. I think he has been a friend to Senator Kerry and his continued fight for progressive Democratic values for a long time.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:16 PM
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77. K&R. I agree, my friend and thank you.
We progressives have too few friends in the MSM and KO is one of the rare ones. He deserves all the support that we can give him. I disagree with him once in awhile, not often, but I know that we're very fortunate to have him in our camp... He's definitely the best on TV. :patriot:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM
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103. You are welcome...
...my friend. :)
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:05 PM
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81. i love keith
i love worst and best person's in the world. i love when he goes to the internets. i love the special comments. i agree he has pushed msnbc ever so slightly to the left. between du and olby they have been that light in the wilderness. this is where my hope came from during the dog days of the bush admin. way to go keith!!!!!
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:26 PM
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105. Way to go,Keith...
...indeed. :)
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blayne Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:15 PM
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84. Prime time.
For anyone who is interested, Keith will probably be hosting Countdown on NBC at 7:00 on Sunday, March 30. The original link is: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbc/another_countdo...
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:33 PM
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85. Hell YES!
I loves me some KO, ya'll.
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:37 PM
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86. Agreed Keith is the best nt
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:57 PM
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90. who else is there????
Keith is the best we have.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:13 PM
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91. For me Keith telling the truth equals being a friend to the values of the Democratic Party
I guess it's a good thing I haven't been reading beyond the front page if KO is being trashed. I guess people would like to go back to the day when everyone who was on a 'news' show read their script in it's original form as delivered by Karl Rove.

I still find Countdown a haven and still consider it's content (minus #1 on the countdown) an honest representation (with back-up in the form of complete speeches instead of spliced sound-bites) of the days political news. It's not a liberal or progressive show, in my opinion. It just happens that the revelation of this administration's lies help us at this time. KO has had no problem bringing to light the wrong-doing of Democrats in the past (I'm thinking Nancy Pelosi? Can't remember who else at this time) and if someone is having problems with him airing their favorite candidate's actions or wrong-doing then they might be having a hard time facing the reality that they might have chosen the wrong person to follow.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:13 PM
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94. You said it, we owe Keith Olbermann
His "Special Comments" are always well researched and on point.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:17 PM
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95. Election of 2004
One of the few mainstream people to cover the disparities. For that, he'll always be okay with me.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:28 PM
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106. Same here...
...dana_b.:patriot:
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:19 PM
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101. He's the ONE MAN who has looked into the eye of the camera and
used the word TREASON when talking about *bush and **cheney.

That all by itself makes him worthy of angel's wings as far as I'm concerned.

O8) O8) O8)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:42 AM
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115. We have been infiltrated by the RW
I keep saying this but folks don't want to listen, this is becoming insane,
since when do we start attacking the one person that speaks for us, only
a Republican playing a Democrat will do that.

KO is staying exactly where he is, so eat your heart out HATERS.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:53 AM
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116. We owe him a LOT for being a passionate voice for Constitutional government. Thanks for this post.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM
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122. Here's to...
...the Constitution! :7 You are welcome for the post.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:27 AM
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117. There isn't anyone that is without bias
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:28 AM by Horse with no Name
I was wrong thinking KO was that person...but I was wrong.
I REALLY thought when he ran a story that was blatantly false and I was able to send him legitimate links so he could correct himself as I had seen him do before...and he never corrected the lies.
MSNBC has been relegated to the piles that FOX and CNN lie in.
I am foolish for thinking KO was this generations Edgar R. Murro...and silly. But I just needed a hero.
He is just another partisan yack-hack on the airwaves. Nothing more, nothing less.
Irrelevant really.
Ya know...I don't mind ONE bit if he REPORTS the news about Hillary, I do mind that he DISTORTS it.

I don't OWE him jack shit. Because of my letters to MSNBC, because of MY telling friends to tune in to watch Keith, because of MY Neilson support of Keith...he has received raises, a better salary and the perks that go along with it.
I don't OWE him shit.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:44 AM
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118. I love Olbermann
Not only is he a good leftie, he is witty and intelligent. His only flaw?

He's a Yankee fan.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM
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121. Couldn't agree with you more. Wish he'd can last 1/2 hour in favor of more news.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:04 PM
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123. I agree. n/t
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
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124. K and R.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:11 AM
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125. Thanks for keeping this...
...thread out front. :patriot:
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