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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:02 PM Original message |
Europeans get more vacation and live better. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe it's time to move. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Move quick - |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. The open EU borders are to poor countries for cheap labor |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. It has nothing to do with NAFTA |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Ya...and our corporation and banks to help pay for those programs. |
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Celtic_88 (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Europe is more 'free trade" than NAFTA |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. While Europe is more "free trade," they don't have "free trade" with any |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. and free trade only works when your trading partners can AFFORD to buy YOUR stuff |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Another thing about free trade in Europe |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yes.. that's a big part of their success..and since they ALL have decent benefits |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. We seem to be pretty good at making widows and orphans in other countries. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. GDP per capita of Mexico, Bulgaria, and Romania: |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. GDP per capita does not tell you much. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. But this was about Mexico, Bulgaria and Romania's GDP, not the USA (nt) |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I'm criticizing the whole GDP calculation method. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Maybe, but this is about trade |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
78. I agree 100% |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Not that much difference |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. GDP doesn't measure income inequality |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Bulgarian and Romanians can still work in the UK easier than Mexicans in the US, I'd say |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. The aim is for the world to become on big slave zone. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. I'm not sure what you're saying |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Agreed mac2. Americans work longer and more but not as efficiently |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. the only people who are more efficient than the us workers |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
34. That's not my understanding |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. When I worked in the medical field I was against nurses |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
31. These long hours cause stress resulting in more divorce and disease |
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BB1 (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. You're right. |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. WHAT the HELL do you DO!?!?!? |
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BB1 (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. It's quite complicated. |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I live in zwolle :) |
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BB1 (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. hop on the train |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Deleted message |
Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
39. I sure as heck don't work 60 hours a week to feel "self righteous" |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Please consider yourself smacked upside the head. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. Smacked aside of the head with an umbrella by those women |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
79. macroeconomic stats. contradict that, for the most part |
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TooBigaTent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. Not only do they get more vaca time, but many (most) European employers |
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WritersBlock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Really? What part of Europe is that? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Maybe things have changed, but it was that way when |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. It's not that employers are more generous, they just have to |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. In my last job I worked a year and a half without any |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Halelluea (or however that's spelled)! |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. I have that! |
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BB1 (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Vakantiegeld! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. you forgot the paid sick leave |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. I choose how much vacation time I take myself and would choose none |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. That's because you love your work. If you didn't you would |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. A balance in life is important to our quality and length of life. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Your hours and work amount is probably determined by |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Rah rah for you. you lucky capitalist! ;) |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. Life expectancy in the US is about the same as the EU average |
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Doctor Cynic (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Are you sure those aren't massaging numbers? |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. It's less than that for Black Americans. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Makes me wish I could live there |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Europe is not a "Santuary Union" for illegal Americans. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. You misread me |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
66. Just teasing you. |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
22. Denmark is the happiest place on Earth |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Can't remember if they are a member of the EU. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
23. This isn't news. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. News might be that Denmark is a Social Democracy. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
33. One reason the Western Europeans live better |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Good point. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. As a Norwegian once explained to me, |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Amazing what you can do if you don't spend nearly half your |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
71. Its really the Department of Offense |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
70. Which is why the US military is the global police force |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. No one else needs a military because we die and pay for it. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. Yeah, but you gotta speak one of those foreign languages! |
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joe_sixpack (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
50. Damn! The closest we have to that |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. Greedy Corporations are the Root of ALL EVIL!!!! |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
59. Wow, he's starting to turn into Michael Moore! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
68. this is true |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. We are in the streets but our media doesn't carry it. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. sometimes true, but not like, say, France, |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yes..our media covered it. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. definitely what demostrations there are here |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Aren't you shocked and angered that our national unions |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. by and large the unions are dead |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Millions have been in the streets here and around the |
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Amaya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
77. Yes , they do |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
80. I think the root cause is income disparity. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. The have and the have nots widen for corporate profit. |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
86. 200 hours more leisure in 1970, before major health cost inflation set in |
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