The right wing domination of cyber space

[NJmaverick]

Has anyone else noticed this phenomea? I have seen this on all sorts of message board. They range from gamer sites, to debate sites to sports sites. I just recently had a very unpleasent battle with a pack of rightwing nut jobs.
I was a long time member of a NY Giants message board. It had many non-football topic threads that were political in nature. They were heavily dominated by righ wing nut jobs. I posted a couple of pro liberal/Democrat posts and the right wing nut jobs teamed up to attack and run me off the board. I have noticed this sort of thing happens all over cyber space. The righ wing assholes team up on any liberal that is bold enough to speak their mind. They usually go crying to the moderators to boot the evil liberal, because they don't like them to have a voice.
What bothers me is while the right wingers will stick together and defend one another and attack as a pack, the liberals don't do the same thing. They don't protect one another and they don't help out their fellow liberals. As a result most of cyber space, with the exception of specialty boards like this one, are dominated by the far right. It allows them to have a very effective attack message, as they can use it to get out their misinformation and attack campaigns.


Here is one example

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?show=1

[Mountainman]

1. I wonder if they have any real influence at all. The right is in such disarray. For all the

noise they can make they have very little effect. They are bullies and it doesn't get them anywhere. People don't like bullies. Imagine a right wing nut sitting in his mom's basement at a computer with nothing more to do in life but to go on line and bully people. I wouldn't worry about them at all. Nothing but little piss ant cry babies.

[NJmaverick]

2. I think it does work

After all how many times have you read something here or on a liberal blog or seen something on the Daily show and said; "Damn, I wish there was some way to get this message out to the public at large. It would have such a major impact." Their domination of so many message boards gives them that ability that our side sorely lacks.

[tom_paine]

3. I agree completely. Plus, it is always exasperating to argue with Nazis.

They do not respond to facts or logic or reason.

They have the indefatigability of zealots, plus they apparently have unlimited time from Mommy's basement.

Absolutely I have seen and I agree with this phenomena.

[NJmaverick]

6. They are very good at what they do

They lie, then challenge you to prove them wrong. They know you will then waste all your time disputing what they said, instead of talking about your message and thoughts. They intimidate so many message boards. Most boards you can say all sorts of nasty things about liberals, and people are afraid to say anything. Say something bad about conservatives, and that poster's time on that message board will be short lived. They will be either driven off by the attacks from the right wing attack packs or they will cry and push the moderators to take action. It's truly sick and immoral behavior that is more damaging than most people realize.

[tom_paine]

31. Of course they are good at what they do. Authoritarians programmed like wind-up toys

and run by criminals using zealots are the most virulent, existing form of humanity existing. The Bushies are not very much different, except in open expressions of violence and racism, than the Nazis, mentally-speaking.

When we were kids, we would have had to go to a KKK meeting to witness this unAmerican madness. Now, it's pretty much the most dominant form of discussion in the nation by far, and don't kid yourself that it's a coincidence, either.

The Bushies use their propaganda and programming like the Nazis did, to turn the dominants into "victims", righteously fighting for their self-defense, kind of like a Nazi kicking a Jew to death in Auschwitz screamed, "Filthy Jew. Liars and propagandists trying to take over the world!" and punctuating it with kicks.

In reality, the Nazi-Bushie is describing themselves and their leaders, bu they have been reprogrammed to see themselves as a persecuted minority. It is madness, but carefully designed madness. There is no more dangerous monster than someone who has been reprogrammed in this way, no atrocity they cannot perform in their unquestioning obedience, self-righteousness and "self-defense".

For the Bushie Leadership, the benefits are multiple and obvious at this point. As you pointed out, these reprogrammed monsters are indefatigable, easier to manipulate and point like a cannon, therefore much more effective, by and large, than Free People. This is, at bottom, why in the end free nations like Weimar Germany and Old America fall so easily to these Bushie-Nazis.

Further, this type of programming inoculates the weak-minded against ever going back, like any cult. Have you ever noticed how ANY information or fact, no matter how ironclad, just bounces off the mental armorplate of the Bushies? ANY information not "approved by the Party" (FOX News, Michael Savage, etc.) is automatically dismissed as "Liberal propaganda" (the Nazis dismissed it as "Jewish Propaganda"...yet another tactical echo of the spiritual Bushie forebears). Therefore, once a Right-Wing Authoritarian Follower is converted to this False Reality, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to bring them back to reason and sanity.

Like the movie "American History X", people who do make it back from the madness are few and far between indeed. And now this madness extends to at least one-fourth or one-third of the nation, and because of the full control, power and ruthlessness of the Bushies, it screams nonstop from every media orifice, making converts, even now with it fully exposed as criminal, corrupt, and unAmerican.

This is also by design and follows old style Nazi/Commie strategies, amplified a hundred-fold by modern media saturation combined with the most advanced form of advertising, public relations, marketing, and psychology the human race has ever seen.

Let us not forget, too, that none of this would have been possible without the multi-decade Bushie Effort to rescind the FCC regulations created by our ancestors in the 40s and 50s in response toward seeing what an amazingly effective totalitarian tool a consolidated and ethically weakened media (I know, that's quite an understatement to describe our modern Toady Corporate Media, but you get the idea) could be.

Whew! The Fall of the American Republic is a massive an intricate thing, as was the old American Republic, with hundreds of facets. This is but one, albeit a big one.

The links in my signature line further elaborate on these phenomena which are destroying us and which will continue to destroy us, ESPECIALLY because our leadership seems confused and even hostile toward countering these efforts. Sadly, it may be too late for that as the Bushies have been given a clear field with no opposition against these Nazi-like manipulations (they called it "gleichschaltung" or "bringing into line") for two decades until, like the Nazis, Bushie Lies have become "conventional wisdom" and set in stone.

Anyway, for more information, if you are interested, please check out my signature links.

[Echo In Light]

37. "Now, it's pretty much the most dominant form of discussion in the nation by far"

Always dig your posts, man.

[Swamp Rat]

46. Why do you hate America?

[NJmaverick]

49. That's a good example of one of the "givens" they use

in their arguements. The others include

liberal=bad
conservative=good
when a Democrat does something bad=it shows them ruining the Country
when a republican does something bad= all polticians do it, no big deal
We should harp on Clinton's presideny and what they thought was bad BUT we should forget the mistakes they made leading to the Iraq war

[Swamp Rat]

53. And we have not been attacked by terrorists because Bushler saved us by taking away our rights,

except for on 9/11, but that doesn't count.

[Echo In Light]

68. War on terror? War OF terror. Phony war on one hand, quite real on the other

[tom_paine]

56. My "favorite", which is now a casually and subconsciously accepted form of conventional wisdom.

This Big Bushie Lie goes like this:

When a Democrat opposes something, you can be certain there is a slimy and negative ulterior motive involved, usually base and personal.

When a Republic opposes something, they ALWAYS do it from the purest motives and love of country.

Again, for twenty or more years the Bushies practiced this slime, and the Democratic Leadership just sat there and took it. Is it possible they could have been clueless about what was being done to them? Did they not deign "to stoop to the level of the Bushies" as the Germans did to their eternal shame and disgrace in the late 20s and early 30s?

It doesn't even matter why anymore. All that matters is what IS and my italicized quote is, like all good advertising, now subconsciously embedded in most Americans' brains. Let me be clear about one more thing, there is no one, NO ONE, who is immune from this. Not me, not you, not anyone. Why? Because the science of advertising teaches us that subconscious assaults and manipulations are impossible to defend against with the conscious mind. That is why advertising began using them in the 30s when psychology and Berends gave them the tools and rationalizations to do so, and they have never looked back.

I might get flamed for saying this, but even DU proves my point. We are all so convinced that we are above that sort of thing, that we see through it. And by and large, we do see through it. But the beauty of modern advertising is that it doesn't matter. A person can see through a subconscious assault, but cannot fully stop it from influencing them. It is the nature of the subconscious and the human condition, now harnessed into a mental nuclear weapon by advertising and psychology. Finally, the complete media saturation of our nation provides the delivery system necessary to make the evil dreams of the tyrant with self-enslaving subjects a reality.

As I look at the ebb and flow of DU's "conversation", it is quite clear to me that it is as driven, for the most part, by the Toady Media's Hologram of Lie and Half-Truths, Misinformation and Disinformation, as any other part of our pathetic New Totalitarian BushPutinist Empire.

I don't have the answers. From my perspective, the thing is too far gone, has been allowed to metastasize with almost zero opposition from anyone powerful enough to make their voices heard while there was still time to stop it before it grew to full size and cemented itself into stone, as it were.

But we are too captivated by our Biannual "Election" Farce to notice these things, too buffeted by the winds of MSM bullshit to notice the deeper issues at work here, too blinded by vain hope to dream how badly all was lost more than a decade ago, 12/12/2000 was just the bullet administered behind dying Lady Liberty's ear, and too fearful of doing what has to be done if there is any hope of restoring liberty to this land (which I speculate is now at <5% of a chance of happening).

I'd like to hope that smarter and more powerful people than I have noticed this and are working on some answers, some counter-move, that can restore Old America without the need for revolution (which probably won't work anyway). But from what I can see, that too, is a vain and foolish hope driven by my own desire to not have to stick my neck out or make sacrifices. An American to the end, and these days that is not a compliment to myself.

[NJmaverick]

59. It's these "givens' that give them an edge in any debate

That and misframing issues.

[tom_paine]

62. It is amazing to me how so many can understand how this works

and yet nobody can do anything about it. These things, literally, take on a life of their own.

You have gotten to the heart of the matter and you have struck that nail on the head.

The "givens" plus the toadying MSM and the punditocracy, largely made up of Bushies and scared "journalists" trying to be objcetive while the other side is wholly partisan and lies and lies and lies.

So many similarities to 1930s Germany.

[NJmaverick]

64. I try to do something about it, which only makes the

right wingnuts angry. I try to have an examination of each of the "givens". That only pisses them off because they have worked long and hard to make those the excepted norms.

For example, I pissed off the right wing nuts by talking about the damage a Supreme Court packed with conservative judges would cause. They reacted like I had sad something personal about their mothers. Still it's only by questioning and debating these so called "givens" that we can start to have some healthy debate in this Country.

One thing the Republicans and right wingers have learned, if you repeat anything long enough, truth or not, it becomes accepted my many. So I make an effort to always repeat the idea that conservatives have screwed up the Country. That conservative judges will be more "activist" than liberal judges (as witnessed by their theft of the 2000 election) and so on.

[Mountainman]

4. Well I look around me and see that they make up less than 30% of voters

and that the country is turning left and feel they are much to do about nothing. My own opinion of course. In my life I turn the right off. I don't listen to wing nut radio, I don't watch them on TV, I mute them if I can I don't read their shit in the paper. Basically they don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

Like the Glenda says in the Wizard of Oz, Be off you have no power here.

[tom_paine]

57. That's what the 68% of Germans who didn't vote for Hitler in '32 thought.

I apologize for saying this, Mountainman, but they were as wrong then as you are now.

"Just ignore that little man and he'll eventually go away."

But the history and tactics of totalitarians, be they righties like the Bushies and their Nazi forebears, or lefties like the Soviets and the Khmer Rouge, shows that they DON'T NEED more than 30% of the population to rule a nation too weak to stand against them.

I completely sympathize with your view, and that of the 1930s Germans, for that matter (it's hard to hate them when now I see just a nonviolent taste of what they had to deal with). You should read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner, to understand our nation and this phenomena further.

But while I sympathize, I can't agree, because history shows quite clearly how badly that works out.

Totalitarianism, be it Nazi or Bushie, seeks total control of a society and seeks to "create reality" with power, propaganda, lies, and intimidation. Ignore them as long as you can, if you wish. Eventually, as happened before, they will batter down your door, metaphorically-speaking and perhaps literally. Bushies and Nazis view reality as territory to be conquered and reshaped to their will. Both were and are extraordinarily successful, especially when presented with nations to internally weak to resist their depradations.

I am not trying to give you a hard time, but to acquaint you with what remains of actual objective reality in our nation. You can try to "ignore that little man" but eventually you, too, will be forced to salute the SA Flag as it comes down the street or scurry into the doorway to salvage your pride, metaphorically-speking.

Whether or not you agree with me or think I am nuts, if you want to understand the Amerika we live in today, read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner.

http://www.amazon.com/Defying-Hitler-Memoir-Sebastian-Haffner/dp/0312421133/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197208607&sr=8-2

[NJmaverick]

60. I tend to agree and prefer the pro active approach

[Echo In Light]

11. Most bully righties are people who don't consider themselves to be n/t

[NJmaverick]

17. They bully, they sleeze and they dominate

It gets their message out ammoung the people. It creates an illusion that they are the majority in this Country.

[Echo In Light]

20. Again, there are many who hold far right views who likely see themselves as Dems

[NJmaverick]

22. Usually they pose as moderates and "unbiased" people

They will attack you as liberal and out of touch, while they claim to represent the popular and unbiased points of view.

[Echo In Light]

26. Yes. Be wary of anyone who immediately resorts to deeming others as "crazy"

A telltale sign of rightward thinking.

[Mrs. Overall]

5. I was going to post something very similar this morning--

I occasionally play an online role playing game--Tolkienesque, with dwarfs, elves, trolls, etc... Last night on one of the trade/chat channels the posts were absolutely unbelievable: horrible, racist things about Obama that I won't even type, horrible sexist things about Hillary, having to do with PMS, menstrual blood and abortions, talk of killing environmentalists and Mexicans, Muslim bashing, and many, many pro-McCain posts.
I couldn't take it and said something to the effect of: "It's easy to spot the republicans with their inability to spell correctly and their racist and sexist views. Must be the 18% who still support bush..."
I then received a tirade of anger and hate, death threats, someone saying I was a gay lover and they hoped I got aids and died. I have never experienced anything like this....
I plan on writing the company a letter today to complain about the death threats and hatred finding voice on their gaming website.
I actually thought that more progressives played this game, as it does take some thought and computer smarts--guess I was wrong.....

[NJmaverick]

10. I think more progressive are on the internet

But the right wing whack jobs overcome that disadvantage by being nastier (with no moral or ethical restraints) and they are better organized. You will ALWAYS see they attack in packs and if one of their own are attacked, they swarm like a pack of rabid weasels. On this board a right winger used the slur "tard" and the rightwingers didn't bat an eye, they thought it was perfectly acceptable term.

The problem I see is the liberals and Democrats need to start looking out for one another. They need to defend a fellow liberal or Democrat, when they see them being ganged up on or mistreated. What I have seen is, out of fear, they say nothing or will even join the attack (to score points with the people that dominate the board).

[Mrs. Overall]

18. I was also wondering if last night brought them out because they are scared

shitless of both Obama and Hillary, and the huge Democratic voter turnouts and the miserable state of this country right now due to republican rule.

[NJmaverick]

21. It has probably made them nastier and edgier

But it seems they are always around, doing their dirty deeds.

[Amonester]

47. They must be "terrified" at the prospect of a Dem President who...

will "inherit" ALL the illegal powers their cheney/bush junta usurped in the past seven years.

Terrified, they R...

[NJmaverick]

50. Very true, sort of like the line item veto thing

[Mountainman]

27. "out of fear" ? I don't get it. Fear of what? Some retard wing nut will call you a dirty name?

I don't get what you are afraid of. It's obvious to me by what people are saying here that these wing nuts can't debate one on one or else they would not need the numbers to gang up on someone.

[NJmaverick]

29. They work to get liberals booted from message boards

or make their stay so miserable by constantly attacking them at every turn, they eventually leave out of frustration. Others see this happen and are afraid to voice a liberal or demcratic opinion, for fear they will get the same treatment.

[Echo In Light]

33. They do, there usually are, and they rely on a lot of name calling to get others on board

[Mountainman]

39. self delete

[Vickers]

7. They certainly are more vocal.

Then again, my dogs bark pretty loud, and they can't even open the front door.

[NJmaverick]

13. That vocalness allows them to spread their message

to regular people. It hurts our causes.

[Vickers]

24. An appeal to the baser instincts will always find an audience.

I will always respond to (and appeal to) loftier stuff.

:thumbsup:

[NJmaverick]

32. Sadly as TV and politics often show

Appeals to baser instincts usually wins out

[Echo In Light]

8. Mirrors how many respond to 9/11 Truthers also

One belligerent authoritarian minded person will wade into the debate with hatred and contempt, which then prompts a score of "ME TOO!!!" haters to join in the lynching.

As to your overall point, yes, I agree completely. There has been a few times over the years where a forum/blog I'd frequent would show its true collective colors and I'd either leave or be banned for espousing liberal views. This speaks to the efficacy of thought control and the corporate media, its key message, and how it filters out through the culture and shapes the public mind...often with people being quite unwary of it ... which is an essential aspect of brainwashing: the afflicted cannot appreciate their conditioning.

Americans on average lean far more rightward/authoritarian than they do otherwise.

[NJmaverick]

14. They take advantage of liberal's good traits

Liberals don't try to gain an unfair advantage by seeking the ouster of conservatives, because it's unethical. Since they do, it gives them inflated and high numbers of people and an intimidation factor.

[Echo In Light]

19. True: psych projection is key to rightist rhetoric; the first to cry "censorship"

As they quite enthusiastically seek to censor. Like Joe S on MSNBC stating that 9/11 truthers should be tased and hauled off to secret prison.

[SpiralHawk]

9. Republicon Black Ops

This is part of their deliberate strategy to destroy democracy and America, and bring in 'elitist' totalitarianism. Lots of this cyber-fascists are paid ops -- I'd bet pair of Vitties on it.

[Echo In Light]

16. Likely some truth to that. Although I suspect much is a psych byproduct of establishment instruction

[L. Coyote]

36. The "Culture War" is waged by organized groups. They attack science sites too.

Working in an organized fashion is effective in domination of dialogue. Take a lesson, I guess.

[Echo In Light]

41. Dialogue, yes. Critical thinking? Acknowledging simple moral truths? No

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. It has been ever thus. n/t

[Kolesar]

15. Time Warner CNN AOL controls what we see on their "home page, news page"

In our communities. You can be sure that they select stories that favor gop message systems. Note that they give Glenn Beck two hours per night on the "headline" network of cable tv.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. I've noticed this on the Trek BBS

The political discussion area ("Neutral Zone") seems to be dominated by a lot of rabid right-wingers and Bush supporters and I've gotten some nasty postings/messages in response to some of my own posts. Frankly, I was kind of surprised by the amount of right-wingers on a message board primarily devoted to the Star Trek franchise, a series not known to be particularly "conservative" in terms of the general ideology of its characters.
:shrug:

Indystar.com, the website for my local newspaper, has a message board that seems to be dominated by even more rabid right-wingers and have sent me some really nasty postings/messages, however given that I live in Indiana, I'm not generally surprised about the ultra-conservative bend of most people who live here.

[NJmaverick]

25. They create an illusion of numbers

By driving away by any means possible, the liberals and Democrats and intimidating the rest, they appear to be numerous. Had they not engaged in those tactis, or we on the left were better at responding to them, they would be a small vocal minority.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. I've converted one local board almost entirely.

It took many years actually, but the reactionaries I know won't go there because "it's a haven for liberals".

Whatever. I didn't set out to singlehandedly drive them away.

It only takes one person to, in the words of Winston Churchill “Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense”"

http://www.graysharbortalk.com/

[NJmaverick]

35. Good for you

While I never give in, it doesn't always insure success. In many cases the wingnuts rule the roost and have the power to boot those that don't give in.

[lumberjack_jeff]

52. It is true that I'm one-for-three.

At some point, walking away does constitute a "matter of honor and good sense"

:hi:

[Mrs. Overall]

38. That looks like an interesting board! I'm your neighbor to the north

in Kitsap county, and from my visits to your area, I'm wondering if Grays Harbor is similar to Kitsap: a sharp division between the conservative, redneck, fundamentalist element and the more liberal, environmental, progressive element. I am always amazed at how divided my community seems.

I might explore trying to start a similar message board for my area--I like the idea--thanks for posting the link.

[lumberjack_jeff]

51. I grew up in Silverdale, before it was a mall.

:hi:

In this area I had a shallower hill to climb. This area has always been working class and heavily union. We're predominately democratic, but that doesn't imply we were predominately liberal. Think of the political spectrum ranging from Zell Miller on the right to Joe Lieberman on the left.

In kitsap county, you've got a bedroom community serving Seattle combined with three navy bases and their attendant families/workforce. A much bigger challenge.

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. They are simultaneously

idiots
cowards
bullies

They are highly threatened by anything approaching logic, so although they carefully choose places where they are unlikely to encounter it, when they do, their adrenal glands force them to attack.

Unfortunately for them, they are utterly defenseless in the battle of wits so they rely upon their fellow maladapts to help drive out the intruders with sticks and emoticons.

Thus they can protect the sanctity of their ignorance.

We've all encountered these people. They are undeserving of respect or quarter.

[NJmaverick]

30. They are effective though

I think we need to do a better job of looking out for our own.

[lovuian]

40. First they call you names then they go after your sources

then when they get exasperated they call you crazy

I just hang in there and eventually they back off

Don't be run away just hang in there because the quiet ones watch the right wing bullies and are smart enough to see

[Echo In Light]

42. Yes, online interaction has become a battle of "sources," eh? n/t

[NJmaverick]

44. I never quit, so they go the other route

They go after the moderators and have you booted.

[NJmaverick]

45. Ah their classic refrain- That liberal (fill in the blank)

Pretty much how they deal with facts.

[Hamlette]

43. they don't dominate in terms of numbers, they are just bullies

we tend to not "go at it" in a mean vindictive manner because we don't need the drama in our lives.

Some live by going from drama to drama, otherwise life for them is meaningless. So, they root for sports teams to the point of fighting about it, same with politics.

[NJmaverick]

48. Is the end result a good thing?

Honestly I think we need to step it up a notch. We need to be more vocal in support of one another, on other boards.

[Blue_Tires]

54. that's nothing...try hanging out on some car forums...

[NJmaverick]

55. It's every where

They make a concerted effort to dominate and we pretty much let them.

[Elwood P Dowd]

58. The same repuke sometimes has 3-4 different screen names

on some of these boards. Some might even be part of a republican organization that furnishes them with hundreds of links, articles, and talking points. Many of these people can't possibly have a real job because they monitor and post on various boards day and night.

[NJmaverick]

61. There have been articles from time to time

Talking about the Repukes paying people to visit all sorts of message boards and spread the word. It does seem like some of them are "professionals".

[ElboRuum]

63. Sometimes...

I've seen this occasionally, but the only people I care about to perceive me as whatever are on friendlier boards. In this case, I put aside my normally thoughtful discourse and bring out the knucklebusting shit, hit them where they live, and beat them with their own lame tactics. If I do it right, the mods can't bear to ban me because I have them laughing so hard. After a few rounds of a much more capable insult artist handing them their arseholes, they get all shitty and look for greener climes.

But a person less likely to wish to get their hands dirty might be inclined to just walk away. For these, I have no real advice. Bullies are encouraged when they accomplish their goals, and discouraged when their quarry starts putting up a fight.

[NJmaverick]

65. I think the key is to be mindful of supporting one another

Don't just sit idly by and the the right wingnut attack pack go after one of our own. Jump in and defend them.

[ElboRuum]

66. That's my favorite thing to do.

Once there are two people, you can almost sense the nervousness in the bullies' posts. If a third comes in, it's pretty much over no matter how many idiots you're facing.

[NJmaverick]

67. I do it as well, but it comes at a price

You are then in their cross hairs.

[ElboRuum]

71. Yup...

And they are just such poor shots.

:evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Not only have I noted this

but it has gotten to the point that I no longer engage in some former hobbies

I don't know if the liberals stay home, or what... but I will no longer even game at local stores (RPG games)

[NJmaverick]

70. Isn't that sort of letting the right wingers win?

That's exactly what they want to do. Drive the liberals from the field, so to speak.