The Tax rebate, in the words of a Bush Bot.

[and-justice-for-all]

The Bush bot had some more to say about the glorious tax rebate from ShurbCo. see below.

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I think I know what Bush is thinking by now... Damn give those whinny assed Liberals "free money" (that means money for nothing duh) like they are always after and they still bitch. I don't think you guys have identified enough/any facts to support that this is a loan of next years taxes. The problem with last time he pushed the rebate thing was that I know it sounds crazy but he only gave it to tax payers he didn't do anything for the children blah-blah-blah there in lies the bitching and moaning of the fee money hounds. Why does Bush hate children and poor people uck-uck-uck.

Oh and I love hearing that crap about Bush not doing enough to tackle the home mortgage crisis, which is most noticeable in California!! I know it is difficult but please think back to when these great 125% mortgage loans first became popular or Fanny May or popular HUD loans etc, really hard to resist, I remember, I was a home owner then too. The country had some fancy talking smooth lawyer in the White House at that time bragging (between bj's) about a surplus budget and his dream of affordable housing for all. While at the same time stripping the military (that he despised of since his draft dodging of the 60's) budget to a rice and water diet, destroying nuclear power research that his liberal lobbyist insisted on. Maybe you don't remember he and Hazel O'Leary (energy secretary I think he was doing her too) told us that natural gas was the wave of the energy future for all Americans, that's where the money went. You see that kind of practice makes money flow too at least for a while, then someone has to pay it back, fight for more energy, and pay for national defense.

Here again, I don't understand those kinds of economics, it's like lenders want the government to be responsible for them loaning money to people knowing they couldn't pay it back. Or for loaning more than the assets are worth. DUH!!! Man I'm telling you, I have lived and worked coast to coast in this country and watched people earning 60 or 70 thousand a year sign 3 and 4 hundred thousand dollar mortgages asking myself WTF. Mostly in California however, it happens everywhere that lenders and developers are greedy and people simply try to live well above their means. I've also been to several places outside of this country to first hand witness poverty at un-thinkable levels. Face it folks we live in a country of spoiled brats!! We don't get what we want, so we bitch at the government.

Even our country's poverty line is illusive or skewed by comparison to many other countries, $20 thousand/year for a family of 4. That equals to more than $13 a day per person compared to many other countries calling poverty less than $2 a day. Hey just a point of information about spoiled Americans, did you know the average home in Europe is 900 sq ft. Think about the last time you and your family lived in a home that was that small. When limousine Liberals in this country start practicing what they preach and that is; keeping only what they need to survive and then handing the rest to the government for redistribution, then I will listen. According to the numbers, $5,000/yr is at or above poverty in this country, I think you make more than that Mike, I think you paid more than that amount on income taxes this year. Here is another little morsel of a memory jogger about the last tax stimulus package for you.. In a 2000 speech, Gore said the Bush tax cut would save the average family 62 cents a week ("enough for a diet coke") ha ha. He later clarified it and said 62 cents a day per family...which is still wrong. Even at 62 cents a day, that's only a little over $226 a year. Under the Bush tax plan, the average family would save $1500 -- $4.20 a day, which is almost $29 dollars a week. Now who really has a math problem? Help stop the whining be part of the solution, don't elect another democrat!!

PS: you should have read the SFGate article a little closer, "Unlike the 2001 rebates, which went only to people who paid tax, the 2008 rebates will go to many people who don't file tax returns." Surprise something in the SFGate really tends to support what Bush is doing and even goes on to say you may even get more next year. BTW I still don't support FREE MONEY.

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Any rebuttle would be appreciated.
This guy would lick shrub's brown eye if given the chance.

[rfranklin]

1. 70% of the population does not agree with this guy...

They know that our economy is in the tank due to Republicans. They know that we are pissing away trillions of dollars (borrowed from the Chinese) in Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL). They know that the rich have gotten richer, way richer while the rest of us have had no increase in income, and are now going backwards due to inflation caused by the previously mentioned war and borrowing.

This fellow will not be happy until we lower our citizens into Third World status and have people living on $2 a day. That'll serve 'em right!

[SpiralHawk]

2. That would actually be 81% who see what corrupt frauds the republicon homelanders are

Bush's latest approval: 19%

So this kool-aid drinker can take his bullshit oxycontin-limbaugh propaganda, and go to the gas pump and see how many drops of republicon oil it will buy him...

[fasttense]

3. The idiot who wrote that piece of drivel

prefers to call names instead of making a rational argument. The few facts he does bother to mention ignore the rest of the story.

He fails to mention the lowest national personal savings rate, the highest home foreclosure rate, the fastest decline of home value, the fewest new home starts and the highest unemployment rate in Ohio, since the last Republican Great Depression.

He fails to mention the largest expenditure rate on defense, the largest budget deficit, the largest trade deficit, the fastest decline of the dollar and the largest federal government in the history of the US.

When you only pick the facts that sound good, anything looks rosy even crap.

[DeeDeeNY]

4. If the Bushbots could only understand facts

or even read charts

[notadmblnd]

5. I'll live on $2 a day if he will

That's the problem with these SOBs, they think the little guy is the problem and that they are superior by virtue of their wealth.

[ThomWV]

6. You should read that article much more closley, that guy is no fool

What you are looking at there is a well written propoganda piece aimed directly as poor, mad, and possibly-wavering republicans, and it will hit its mark.

Look at the language, look at the structure of the thinking. That thing was not written by some backwoods jackass. "The country had some fancy talking smooth lawyer in the White House at that time" a direct reference to Bill Clinton, and a dam good hint at what might come were Hillary to be nominated. Or how about this one, "limousine Liberals"? You got a limousine?

Buzz words work with these people and the piece you just posted, despite the jumble of language, conveys its message beautifully and has just the right language to do it.

[PA Democrat]

7. How pathetic that this guy ignores reality so he can bolster his ego

He slams Clinton for his goal of increasing home ownership. I guess he conveniently forgot his hero Bush bragging about record levels of home ownership. Bush said this in his 2004 State of the Union Address:

"The pace of economic growth in the third quarter of 2003 was the fastest in nearly 20 years; new home construction, the highest in almost 20 years; home ownership rates, the highest ever."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-7.html

And this from the White House's website:

President Bush's housing agenda is producing real results. The overall U.S. homeownership rate set a new record of 68.6% in the fourth quarter -- its highest level ever. Since the President announced his initiative in June 2002, the Census estimates an increase of 1.53 million minority homeowners. In the fourth quarter of 2003, data was released showing that -- for the first time ever -- the majority of minority households are now homeowners. The minority homeownership rate set a new quarterly record of 50.6%, up 1.3 percentage points from the third quarter.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/03/20040315-3.html

I guess he conveniently forgot how Bush pushed for irresponsible deregulation of the mortgage industry. He CLAIMED to want to increase home ownership, but in fact he was really do the bidding of his corporate whore masters who were out to make a quick buck on the backs of working people desperate to fulfill the dream of owning their own home.

Bush pushed for eliminating down payment requirements, even for people with poor credit histories.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2004-01-20-fha_x.htm

And I guess he conveniently forgot that Bush's Treasury Department issued regulations that made state laws aimed at protecting consumers from predatory lenders null and void.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/opinion/30morgenthau.html

And I guess he conveniently forgot that Greenspan and the Bush administration IGNORED repeated warnings of a coming meltdown of the mortgage industry due to deceptive and unregulated lending practices.

According to the New York Times:

Edward M. Gramlich, a Federal Reserve governor who died in September, warned nearly seven years ago that a fast-growing new breed of lenders was luring many people into risky mortgages they could not afford.

But when Mr. Gramlich privately urged Fed examiners to investigate mortgage lenders affiliated with national banks, he was rebuffed by Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman.

And more from the same article:


An examination of regulatory decisions shows that the Federal Reserve and other agencies waited until it was too late before trying to tame the industry’s excesses. Both the Fed and the Bush administration placed a higher priority on promoting “financial innovation” and what President Bush has called the “ownership society.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/18subprime.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

But hey, why pay attention to facts when a freeper's moronic ego is at stake?