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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:54 PM
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US Soldier throws puppy off a cliff?
Graphic :-( In fact, I wish I had never watched it, but now that I did, I am of course incensed and I hope you are too.

What exactly is the proper response to something like this?

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/43462/9fb16ab3/us_soldaat_gooit_puppy.html
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:57 PM
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1. Jesus Christ. I want to go puke.
fucking shitbags.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:58 PM
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2. Within 5 years that soldier
will have either killed himself, killed his wife, or become President.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:58 PM
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3. Jail time.. and no, I didn't watch it
I can't watch something so horrible.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:01 PM
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4. The casualness of that man is chilling.
He needs to be found and removed from the war. This war has turned a generation of young men and women into killers who are capable of atrocities that shame all of us.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:11 PM
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16. both men were rather casual about it.
I'm glad I didn't have the volume on. I don't even know why I bothered to watch it.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:26 PM
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19. For killing without compunction?
He's a soldier. Killing is his job. The military trains them to kill without any moral qualms. Soldiers kill people all the time. I'm surprised you're upset about a dog.

The whole military should be out of Iraq, for more than just killing a dog.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:29 PM
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22. No.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 05:30 PM by EmperorHasNoClothes
Soldiers are trained to kill enemies who have guns pointed at them. Anything beyond that, including killing innocent people or animals, is disgusting.

Edited to add: ESPECIALLY killing for fun, which is exactly what that piece of shit was doing.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:18 PM
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33. I'm not defending it, I'm just surprised.
You can shout all you want about who they're supposed to be killing, but the bottom line is that they are trained to kill without giving a second thought to the moral implications of their actions. It's what they do. While I can't say that a man who would throw a dog off a cliff is the perfect picture of mental health, I for one am more concerned about the people that man is killing. Further, I find it difficult to justify killing even those that are pointing guns at our soldiers, considering that we are the ones who invaded their country, we're the ones dropping bombs on their houses, we're the ones blowing up their family members with gunships. Oh, and, evidently, killing their dogs (assuming that it's not a stray, and, which I very much doubt, that it's legit.)

I'm not saying what he did was okay (if he actually did it.) I'm surprised that people can take such umbrage in light of what our nation is doing to the human beings in that country.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:02 PM
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5. He did WHAT???
I couldn't possibly watch anything so horrible, I'll take your word for it. The proper response? Take me over there and I'll throw that asshole over the cliff myself. After beating the living shit out of him.

Inexcusable. Monstrous. This is what we have become.

Do we know who the soldier is? He deserves to get fucked up for that. I'll gladly take part.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:04 PM
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6. Puppy
In civilian life, he would do jail time for that. I wonder what the military posiiton is?
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:06 PM
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21. Are you serious?
Brutalizing and murdering a man for killing a dog? How many people do you think that man has killed? And you're concerned over an animal?

And of all the crimes this nation has visited against the nation of Iraq, not to mention the rest of the world, and this is what prompts you to say, "This is what we have become?" I think that lacks a sense of proportion.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:30 PM
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31. Although I sypmathize with your views,
you don't know the first goddam thing about me.

Yes, this prompts me to say "This is what we have become". It's not the ONLY thing that prompts me to say that.

Yes I'm concerned over an animal. Don't like my sense of proportion? Well, that must be tough. Sorry to hear that. Take an aspirin.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:28 PM
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34. I know one thing about you.
That, by your own admission, you would gladly brutalize and kill another human being for visiting harm on an animal (which you don't even know he has done. The film very easily could have been faked.) Or that you are given to violent hyperbole.

Also, that you're an Internet tough guy.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:09 AM
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43. Internet tough guy, yeah. Sorry to offend you.
But what offends you more? My 'violent hyperbole', or this monster that could do that to an innocent creature?

What exactly is your problem?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:55 PM
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37. I will help you, navarth.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:06 PM
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7. Is that a real puppy?
I played it several times to see if I could tell. I can't see that it moves while he is holding it. I am really hoping it is just a stuffed animal and someone added the sound of the puppy squealing.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:10 PM
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9. I hope not...
Why do I watch the video?

I always have to succumb to my curiosity...

That was truly fucked up.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:17 PM
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10. I am really hoping it is fake
:scared:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:18 PM
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11. I couln't see any movement before or after he threw it...
...I think they're playing mindfuck with the viewers.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:08 PM
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8. And the picture with the severed human head, I wish I had not seen it either.
Nonetheless, it illustrated what the decades of U. S. military occupation of Nicaragua was like.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:41 PM
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12. looks pretty fake to me
reminds me of the monty python sketch about the 'mouse organ'. pretty twisted sense of humor.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:49 PM
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13. Glad I was not there to see that
Otherwise I would be in the brig for beating him to a bloody pulp.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:58 PM
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14. I can't watch

IF it is real, throw him off the same cliff?

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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:01 PM
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15. The sound is wrong
the squealing after the throw does not scale properly.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:18 PM
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17. My current supervisor is just back from Iraq
and his workplace behavior is not really normal- he talks and acts like he is still a soldier at war and he is extremely nervous. He seems emotionally damaged. Its not the kind of thing you complain about but I hope its temporary. I feel like I am sitting next to an IED.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:26 PM
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18. Are we surprised?

I've seen bodies ripped to pieces by bullets, blown into millions of scraps by bombs, and pierced by booby traps. I’ve smelled the stench of bodies burned. I’ve heard the air sound like it was boiling from rounds flying back and forth. I’ve lived an insanity others should never live..."
-- Dennis Tenety, Fire in the Hole


●-Michael C.C. Adams, The Best War Ever: America and World War II About 25-30 percent of WWII casualties were psychological cases; under very severe conditions that number could reach as high as 70-80percent. In Italy, mental problems accounted for 56 percent of total casualties. On Okinawa, where fighting conditions were particularly horrific, 7,613 Americans died, 31,807 sustained physical wounds, and 26, 221 were mental casualties.-Adams, 95Trying to repress feelings, they drank, gambled suffered paralyzing depression, and becameinarticulately violent. A paratrooper’s wife would “sit for
hours and just hold him when he shook. Afterward, he started beating her and the children: “He became a
brute.” And they divorced —-Adams, 150



All Soldiers Fade Away

Justin HudallPosted November 11, 2007 | 06:39 PM (EST)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-hudnall/all-soldie...

"Thirty-five percent of Iraq war veterans accessed mental health services in the year after returning home, while 12% per year were diagnosed with a mental health problem. Against this grim backdrop is an issue that has ignited debate among veterans, government officials and civilians in the healthcare industry: how the Veterans Affairs Department could improve access to healthcare services for rural veterans, who account for about 40% of the VA's patient population." There are 21 states with higher than the national average of veterans within their populations. Eighteen of these are rural states.Because of advances in body armor and medical technology, this war will produce a higher proportion of seriously wounded, traumatized, and brain-damaged veterans than any other.Compounding this is an expected baby boom among military personnel, meaning that the next generation, growing up in the shadow of the Iraq war, will be significantly affected as well.



PTSD and Murder Among Newest Veterans

Jon Soltz | Posted January 14, 2008 | Politics
This weekend, while the 24-hour primary coverage raged on, the New York Times published a very well researched and stunning report on the number of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans involved in killings, here in America. They found at least 121 cases, now, where a veteran was charged with involvement in a homicide.The trend of our newest veterans being involved in killings on the homefront can be largely attributed to four letters -- PTSD. Our failure to properly screen for and treat this mental injury is the source of so many problems our newest veterans face -- from drug and alcohol abuse, to homelessness, to joblessness, to spousal abuse, to suicide, and now, to murders.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/ptsd-and-murder...


Battle Continues Over Vietnam PTSD Numbers
08.23.07, 12:00 AM ET
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlek...
THURSDAY, Aug. 23 (HealthDay News) --
-In the years following the end of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, the actual number of veteran psychologically scarred by what they had encountered in the war became the subject of heated controversy.
A 1988 study, conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimated a relatively low lifetime rate of PTSD among veterans of 14.7 percent.
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"The most important results have been underemphasized, and that is the dose/response relationship, and that's about as close as you can come to a causal relationship," he said. "The other thing is the rate of 1-in-5 war-related onset of PTSD and 1-in-10 still current after the war of impairing PTSD. That
is far from trivial. This is a heavy cost by any count.


This article originally appeared in the July 2007 volume of the Zero To Three
Journal on Coping With Separation and Loss.
The Young Military Child
Our Modern Telemachus
Stephen J. Cozza
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
Alicia F. Lieberman
University of California, San Francisco
-A combat mindset or what has been referred to as Battlemind can lead to misdirected irritability or aggression that can impact on small children. Irritability, emotional rage, jumpiness, hypervigilance, or overreactivity can all lead to family conflict and misunderstanding on the part of the young child. Social withdrawal or reduced communication because of anxiety about sharing upsetting war-related experiences may cause further withdrawal from family members and lead to a child’s confusion about the meaning of such parental nonavailability.
—Postdeployment emotional and behavioral responses can range from more typical short-term distress responses, such as change in sleep, decreased sense of safety, or social isolation, to the development of more serious psychiatric conditions, such as post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or depression.
Studies conducted by Hoge and colleagues (Hoge et al., 2004; Hoge, Auchterlonie, & Milliken, (2005) at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research have demonstrated significant postdeployment distress in populations of combat exposed soldiers and marines returning from Iraq. When screened 12 months after return from combat deployment, nearly 20% of service members endorsed symptoms consistent with a mental
disorder, most often PTSD or depression.
—Studies have demonstrated that the children of parents with depression (Beardslee, Versage, & Gladstone, 1998) evidence significant problems in a wide range of functional areas. Children of Vietnam veterans with PTSD are more likely to evidence symptoms similar to those of their combat-exposed fathers (Rosenheck & Nathan, 1985; Rosenheck & Thompson, 1986).
http://www.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer


FIELD MANUAL NO. 22-51
HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
Washington, DC, 29 September 1994
CHAPTER 5
BATTLE FATIGUE FM 22-51
5-1. Introduction
Battle fatigue is the approved US Army term (AR 40-216) for combat stress symptoms and reactions which

* Feel unpleasant.
* Interfere with mission performance.
* Are best treated with reassurance, rest, replenishment of physical needs, and activities which restore confidence.
a. Battle fatigue can also be present in soldiers who have been physically wounded or who have nonbattle injuries or diseases caused by stressors in the combat area. It may be necessary to treat both the battle fatigue and the other problems.
b. Battle fatigue may coexist with misconduct stress behaviors. However, battle fatigue itself, by definition, does not warrant legal or disciplinary action.
---------------
b.Leader and medical personnel in forward areas should expect as many or more soldiers to present with duty or rest battle fatigue as there will be hold and refer cases. It is essential that the former not
become casualties by unnecessarily evacuating or holding them for treatment.
c. In general, the more intense the combat, especially with indirect fire and mass destruction, more cases become heavy and need holding or referral, and the harder it is for them to recover quickly and return to duty.
d. Fifty to eighty-five percent of battle fatigue casualties (hold and refer) returned to duty following 1 to 3 days of restoration treatment, provided they are kept in the vicinity of their units (for example, within the division).
NOTE
Premature evacuation of battle fatigue soldiers out of the combat zone must be prevented as it often results in permanent psychiatric disability. If the tactical situation permits, the vacuation policy in the corps should be extended from 7 to 14 days for the reconditioning program, as this will substantially
improve the returned to duty rate and decrease subsequent chronic disability.


HEALTH-US: Iraq Vets Left in Physical and Mental Agony
By Aaron Glantz
The group Veterans for America, formerly the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, estimates that 10,000 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan are now living on the street.

"What's unique about the men and women coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan is that they're not able to integrate with their family," Feldstein said. "They've seen horrible things. They've been in horrible places and their family can't relate. And so you become homeless in the last place you lived."

A recent study by Harvard's Kennedy School of Government found that by the time the Iraq and Afghanistan wars end, there will be at least two and a half million vets.
------------------------------------
Pentagon studies show that 12 percent of soldiers who have served in Iraq suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The group Veterans for America, formerly the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, estimates 70,000 Iraq war veterans have gone to the VA for mental health care.
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36056


CHILD ABUSE STATISTICS

In 1999, an estimated 3,244,000 children were reported to Child Protective Services (CPS) agencies as alleged victims of child maltreatment. Child abuse reports have maintained a steady growth for the past ten years, with the total number of reports nationwide increasing 45% since 1987 (Nation Committee for the Prevention of Child Abuse (NCPCA) 2000 Annual Fifty State Survey).
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In 1999, an estimated 1,401 child abuse and neglect related fatalities were confirmed by CPS agencies, nearly 4 every day. Since 1985, the rate of child abuse fatalities has increased by 39%. Based on these numbers, more than three children die each day as a result of child abuse or neglect (NCPCA's 1996 Annual Fifty State Survey).

The U.S. Advisory Board reported that near fatal abuse and neglect each year leave "18,000 permanently disabled children, tens of thousands of victims overwhelmed by lifelong psychological trauma, thousands of traumatized siblings and family members, and thousands of near-death survivors who, as adults, continue to bear the physical and psychological scars.
Some may turn to crime or domestic violence or become abusers themselves (U.S. Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1995 report, A National's Shame.)"
-----------------------------
Finding of the NIS-3:

* The estimated number of children seriously injured by all forms of maltreatment quadrupled between 1986 and 1993, from 141,700 to 565,000 (a 299% increase).
* Considering the Harm Standard:
* The estimated number of sexually abused children increased 83%;
* The number of physically neglected children rose 102%;
* There was a 333 % increase in the estimated number of emotionally neglected children; and
* The estimated number of physically abused children rose 42%.

Poverty is significantly related to incidence rates in nearly every category of maltreatment. Compared to children whose families earned $30,000 or more, children in families with annual incomes below $15,000 were:

* More than 22 times more likely to experience maltreatment under the Harm Standard and 25 times more likely under the Endangerment Standard.
* More than 44 times more likely to be neglected, by either definitional standard.
* Over 22 times more likely to be seriously injured using either definitional standard.
* 60 times more likely to die from maltreatment under the Harm Standard.


(Executive Summary of the Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect, September 1996 and Reid, T. (1996). News NIS-3 Data. APSAC Advisor, 9 (3).)
Children whose parents abuse drugs or alcohol are put at a greater risk for violent victimization (National Commission on Children, 1993).

With the exception of homicide, children and youths suffer more victimization than do adults in virtually every category, including physical abuse, sibling assault, bullying, sexual abuse, and rape (American Psychological Association Commission on Violence and Youth, 1993).

It is estimated that children with disabilities are 4 to 10 times more vulnerable to sexual abuse than their non-disabled peers (National Resource Center on Child Sexual Abuse, 1992).

In over 9000 divorces in 12 states, child sexual abuse allegations were made in less then 2% of contested divorces involving child custody (Association of Family Conciliation Courts, 1990).

Survivors:
It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today (Forward, 1993)

Long term effects of child abuse include fear, anxiety, depression, anger, hostility, inappropriate sexual behavior, poor self esteem, tendency toward substance abuse and difficulty with close relationships (Browne & Finkelhor, 1986).

Clinical findings of adult victims of sexual abuse include problems in interpersonal relationships associated with an underlying mistrust. Generally, adult victims of incest have a severely strained relationship with their parents that is marked by feelings of mistrust, fear, ambivalence, hatred, and betrayal. These feelings may extend to all family members (Tsai and Wagner, 1978).

Guilt is experienced by almost all victims (Tsai and Wagner, 1978).

If a child victim does not resolve the trauma, sexuality may become an area of adult conflict (Courtois & Watts, 1982).

Adults who viewed domestic violence in the home as children have a greater difficulty holding jobs, maintaining relationships with their peers and have a higher risk of developing mental health disorders (Patterson, 1992).



• In 2000, 1.5 million U.S. children had an incarcerated parent. Between 1990-2001, the number of women in prison increased by 106%.
• In 1995, 12% of children in foster care had not received routine health care. 90% had not received services to address developmental delays.
• Between 1992-2002, the number of infants and toddlers entering foster care increased by 110%.
• In 1993, more than 60% of the homeless population in NYC municipal shelters were former foster youth.

• According to a 1999 report, less than 50% of foster youth had graduated from high school, compared to 85% of the general population.
• In 2000, of 732 mid-western foster care youths, nearly 52% had lived in three or more foster homes and had moved schools.
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There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987.Three of 10 of the nation’s homeless are former foster children.
A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster care:
27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated

33% were receiving public assistance
37% had not finished high school
50% were unemployed
Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems,

A study by the National Center for Mental Health and Juvenille Justice found 70% of these youth meet the criteria for at least one mental health disorder. What's worse is that 36% of the parents of these youth intentionaly involved the juvenille justice system to access mental health services...some 12,700 children were places in either child welfare, or the juvenilled justice systems to access mental health systems (U.S. GAO 2003) Of course, the U.S. DOJ in recent investigations into the conditions in these juvenille detention and correctional facilities, found inadequate access to treatment, inappropriate use of medications, and neglect of suicide attempts nationwide (U.S.DOJ 2005).
---80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system.

* 872,000 children and youth were confirmed victims of abuse or neglect in the United States in 2004.


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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:46 PM
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20. This is FAKE!! the dog doll doesn't move and the sound doesn't have the proper Doppler effect.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:51 PM
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25. Thank God. n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:43 AM
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40. why would they make a video like that--to fake people out?
i mean, what's the point?

"i want you to think the troops are capable of more crimes than you've already been shown we're capable of"?

PSYCH!

btw--i won't watch it, joke or no joke. either way, they sound like they are totally fucked in the head
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:13 AM
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42. Crusaders are eager to claim hoax...but as you ask, where's the "joke?"
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:55 PM
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23. That's *ucked Up. n/t
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:59 PM
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24. The proper response
is understanding. Surely it is much easier to condemn this soldier, his actions are clearly pathological. But if we are going to rise above an obvious judgement, it can be seen in the context of a bigger picture.

What kind of person does this?
What have we created or invited into our armed forces. Either 1. this mentality existed and was attracted to the military or 2. life in war helped create an "emotionally dead" person.

Either way it is disturbing.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:53 PM
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36. Pfft. That would require thought. Nuance. Compassion.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 10:53 PM by John Gauger
Easier just to condemn a man we've never met for something he may or may have done. And fantasize loudly about killing him.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:03 AM
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41. Yes
I guess I expect more from "liberals".
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:02 PM
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26. Fake
I don't know why anybody is taking this seriously.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:10 PM
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27. It wasn't fake.
Stop defending those two assholes.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:11 PM
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28. Support our troops, my ass.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:11 PM by Dangerman
I will never support those two jerks!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:13 PM
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29. Did you forget to log out before replying to your own post?
In any case, don't you find it suspicious that the dog didn't move at all before or after it was thrown? That it's yelping didn't fade as it moved away from the camera? None of that was suspicious to you?

A puppy that wouldn't squirm while being held by the nape of its neck certainly would be unusual. I think it was already dead when they threw it off the cliff.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:16 PM
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30. I meant to reply to the original thread's message.
It's an accident.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:35 PM
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35. Prove it's authenticity.
Since you have made a positive existential claim the burden of proof is now yours.

I think it may be fake, in fact that it probably is. The dog makes no motion while it is held in his hand, the sounds the dog makes do not exhibit the Doppler effect as the dog moves away, and the soldier turns his back and his hand leaves the frame just before he throws the dog. This is reason for suspicion in my mind, though I can't say with certainty that it is fake.
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idovoodoo Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:36 PM
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32. I'm pretty sure it's a fake puppy but it's pretty fucking sick anyway...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:58 PM
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38. I'm not going to look, but if it was real, it is conduct unbecoming and he
should be court martialed.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:18 AM
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39. Is THIS what we are fucking doing over there?!? These soldiers are a disgrace.
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