Obama says Germany must do "dirty work" in Afghanistan

[Smith_3]

No, this is not a primaries thread. this is a thread about me as a German being pissed off about this remark that was made by Barrak Obama:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28618112.htm

So we Germans should do more "dirty work" in Afghanistan? What is this? More of "either for or against us"? Do you even remember that Germany was bullied into going into Afghanistan in the first place, along with most other European countries, except maybe the Brits and the Poles who never miss a chance to crawl up Americas ass?

And those of us who were sceptic from the very beginning about wether there was anything to gain from the Afghanistan war, were even more convinced by how things turned out there and in Iraq that the aims were personal wealth and not "global freedom and peace" as claimed.

The Afganistan thing is not very popular in Germany, Mr. Obama. Despite what our media say, many among the common folks are very pissed about how we were dragged into it to no aim. If you want to be president of the USA, Mr. Obama, you better be more considerate with your requests, or you might soon collectively be told to go fuck yourself, by many Germans and Europeans.

[leftofcool]

1. I suspect

That Germany and other Euro countries will tell all of em that same thing. Obama, Clinton, McCain, take notes!

Left of Cool

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Obama Also Said

"It is also important for us to send a signal that we're going to be listening to them when it comes to policies that they find objectionable, Iraq being at the top of the list."

[Angela Shelley]

4. Hi MannyGoldstein,

could you please explain the term "fringe right"?

[baby_mouse]

6. Well, that's nice.

We're going to be listened to while being told what to do by the world's unhired, unelected, unfirable and spectacularly incompetent "policeman". Yay!

Listened to and THEN ignored. Much better!

[arcos]

10. Well, Bush also listens and then systematically ignores everyone...

Listening is not any guarantee.

[madokie]

15. Are you even sure he listens, I suspect he only goes through the motions

[Angela Shelley]

3. He made a broad "tough comment" without pointing

the finger.

"The Illinois senator said that characterization of avoiding combat did not represent each NATO country's position, and he did not single out specific nations."

But, I agree with you. He should be more respectful of those countries who will gladly support him in making changes, should he be elected.

Don´t forget, Poland is expecting alot of money for their assistance.

[MissHoneychurch]

7. Thanks for pointing that out

I hope the new POTUS shows more respect towards Europe that * ever did. I am still very happy that when the Iraq War started Schröder was our Chancellor and not Merkel. Or we would be there too with soldiers.

With the new democratic POTUS I hope for more diplomacy to solve problems and not the "WAR" scream over and over again.

[Angela Shelley]

9. Please let us not forget,

that we have a government here in Germany, and not just a Chancellor, and the government and Chancellor still represent the people.

Schröder did not make the decision on his own. He followed the will of the people. He made a sound decision, and can always be respected for following the will of the people.

I too hope for more diplomacy from the US and more willingness to solve their own problems.

:-)

[MissHoneychurch]

12. Schröder won the election because of that promise

and it is good that he didn't flip-flopped and kissed *'s ass.

You are correct though, the resolution would have been stopped at the Bundestag. I like it that the external assignments from the Bundeswehr have to be agreed on in the Bundestag. Guess we learned from our mistakes.

[dysfunctional press]

5. your subject line is a complete lie.

obama never said anything about germany. from the article:

The Illinois senator said that characterization of avoiding combat did not represent each NATO country's position, and he did not single out specific nations.

and the reason that he feels europe needs to do more- is because europe has as much, if not more to worry about, should afghanistan become remain a safe haven and base of operations for terrorist networks.

[joeybee12]

8. Not a complete lie...somewhat misleading...

...but I can see someone in Europe being pissed off about this mainly because under Dumbo they've been told what to do over and over and they're sick of it.

[dysfunctional press]

11. Obama never mentioned germany...so yeah, it's a complete lie.

nt

[joeybee12]

13. But he did say that other countries shouldn't expect the US to do the "dirty work"

thus implying they should be doing it...didn't single out Germany, but since Germany is one of the countries over there...

[dysfunctional press]

14. 'IMPLYING they SHOULD do it' is not the same as 'SAYING they MUST do it'

there's no way around the fact that the op's subject line is a complete lie.