if the telecoms are doing nothing illegal, why in the world would they need immunity?

[spanone]

this is the question everyone should be asking imho:shrug:

they should be able to easily win any lawsuit against them if they've done nothing wrong; they have their records to prove it !!!!

[LakeSamish706]

1. I think you just answered your own question. n/t

[spanone]

3. damn, i think you are correct!

:toast:

[Warpy]

2. No, the question is who they were spying on

Stupid wants us to believe it was everybody. It wasn't. It would take staff equal in number to the subscribers to monitor everybody.

My guess is that he's trying to hide targets he'd have had no chance of getting FISA warrants on: his enemies and most of his friends.

[mediaman007]

4. If they have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

I've heard that from the NeoCons before. "What do you worry about privacy for, if you have nothing to hide."

I guess that when the shoe flips to the other foot, they can't handle it!

[angrycarpenter]

5. If they were using baseball players to spy on us.

There would be no immunity.

[malaise]

6. Watch Bush's press conference from today

He gave away more than a few clues. They broke the law for him.

[spanone]

7. i did see that. you are correct.

[malaise]

12. KOs about to deconstruct both Bush's brain and

the press conference. :rofl:

[Rosemary2205]

8. I think part of the problem is the cost of self defense.

[Pavulon]

9. So that operational methods will never see open court.

Telecom immunity is guarantee. There will be chat about it but in the end the possibility of discovery in these suits will require it to protect tlas from exposure.

That is my take.

[Canuckistanian]

10. According to the wingnuts, it's the "trial lawyers" that are against immunity

Because they want all that big settlement money.

Of course, they never mention that WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING IS ALREADY ILLEGAL, but hey, that's a minor detail.

[indepat]

11. And my take is that junior cannot legally give illegal orders

[Canuckistanian]

13. Right. It's one of those "high crimes"

Forget where I heard that term. I think it's in one of America's founding documents.