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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:06 AM Original message |
Estimated cost of gun violence in America: $100 billion |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. Please move to gun forum. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Nope, sorry |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. AND that is an excellent description and argument for ending the "dungeon" ---!!! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. False dichotomy |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
105. And how would "gun control" harm you? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. At least as much as other unconstitional acts do |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. Personally . . . how would gun controls effect you --- ??? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Do you mean current laws, or proposed? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. If Bush isn't after you . . . you aren't in the militia -- |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. I am in the militia |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #146 |
161. "I'm by default in the milita" . . . which was your first offering . . . |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. The National Guard isn't the militia of the Constitution... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Sorry, by the National Guard does comprise part of the militia |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. It is *part* of the civilian militia (ONLY when non-Federalized), but not synonymous with it. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #177 |
180. When not under Title 10 statutory authority, the NG is under Title 32 |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. From a merely statuatory standpoint (when written), yes. |
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albert johnson (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #168 |
216. there was a national guard when they wrote the constitution? dont think so! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #163 |
191. White supremacists also have had paramilitary groups . . .??? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #191 |
202. Did you mean to reply to someone else? (n/t) |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #161 |
198. Nope, I'm not in the military or National Guard |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #198 |
214. So ...do you think that Bush/Cheney's private army maybe took guns from NRA members? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. It's likely |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Post-Katrina they passed that law . .. ? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. I believe so, as direct result of the abuses of the police |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. assumes |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So you believe is just adding gun violence to the car violence? |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. no |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Wow! So excited (irrational?) you scramble your syntax. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Why don't you pick on my height now? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Says the person for whom.... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
117. "Why don't you pick on my height now?" |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. Lame. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
107. We should be concerned with every kind of violence, including gun violence --- |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. Do you have a solution, or do you just want to insult a hundred million people/// |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. We're not trying to take away your toys. |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Oddly enough, I've never seen you outline your proposals |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Tougher gun laws. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. I am sure that career criminals and gang members are going to follow your proposals n/t |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
78. Some comments on your proposal: |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
203. In Addition |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
160. Not sure if you're aware of this, but your restraining-order proposal is already Federal law. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
158. You've called for bans on practically every gun my wife and I own. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #158 |
213. You sure have a big gun... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
172. The stats stink. Numbers are spun. Here are some bullshit free |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
218. I always love it when someone refers to firearms as "toys" |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It's money out of my pocket |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. That's right they won't work. So why are you grabbers so goddamned intent on |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Proposed solutions deserve intense scrutiny |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. You'll hear mine |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Shit happens. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. There's a word for this kind of attitude... |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. The word is "realistic." The other day a drunk woman ran down and killed EIGHT |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
112. The people who will finally take your guns will be the people the NRA put in power . . . |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Wrong-o. Nobody's taking them, Goober. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
144. And this is the BIG JOKE of the NRA . . . that so many people think |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. What would you say, for instance, |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. A gun is one of the few products made in our society |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. A gun is also made to defend ones self |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Bullshit |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. 80yo man in texts used one to dfend himself a hew days ago |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Paranoia is a huge problem in this country... |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. erm... Youre either with us or against us... |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. You? nt |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
193. Like the paranoid people that want to ban rifles used in 3% of homicides? N/T |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #193 |
210. gee... which would have come first? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. In a situation where that fear is not "contrived" you could be right. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
101. Like that guy in Louisiana, |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #101 |
141. No |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
162. And that was how many decades ago? (n/t) |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. But Florida and Texas have "shoot first" laws... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. No, they don't. The standard for self-defense in Florida is the same as elsewhere UNLESS |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #162 |
215. That happened earlier this week I believe. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. OK, there is a serious problem with gun violence in this country |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. Crickets chirping indeed |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Sorry that argument stinks to high heaven |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
64. Your fallacy is the assumption... |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. If one of your guns were to be stolen and used in a crime I would like |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. what if someone steals your car and uses it in a crime? same sentence? |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. You can dream about winning the lottery too. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Great idea, here's another |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Try as you might to pretend that this discussion is about cars... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Sounds kind of like Sharia law that whips women who get raped |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. How about giving the thief 20 years? |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
76. Better be careful about your willingness to take blame for a criminal's actions, |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
159. Shhh... You are Not Supposed to Ask for Responsibility |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #159 |
190. How is blaming the victim of a crime responsibility? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. For those interested in reading about gun deaths and injuries in the U.S. of A. |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Yeah, the Republican gun grabbers. Sweet. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Republican gun grabbers? |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Do you even have the foggiest fucking idea who Jim Brady is? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Yes. He was with Reagan when he was shot... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #86 |
174. ...except that it is headed by a Republican former governor, Paul Helmke... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
151. The REPUBLICAN brady bunch... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
152. dupe |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
9. and if gun violence kills |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. and if |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. clarifications |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. What loopholes? |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. it's not a loophole |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
79. Sounds good - I can't murder or commit crimes with my gun. SO that's all you are after?? |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
207. You CAN yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. I don't think we're talking about the kind of |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. it is not social progress |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. I find it odd... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. keep and bear |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. You now appear to be re-qualifying |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. we got mutltitudes of cases on EVERY amendment |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. I was under the impression that the Fourteenth had the most... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
126. i'm the first to admit it hard to tabulate |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #126 |
153. If it's hard to tabulate, then isn't it a bit disingenuous... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #153 |
167. no |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #167 |
182. Excellent post - excellent points typically "forgotten". nt |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #182 |
188. thx cheers! n/t |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. It's not just about criminals abusing guns anymore... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. sorry |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. OK |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. Ah, a hoplophobe |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. no, "hatred of firearms" is more like it... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Okay |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
123. interesting...so the homicide rate |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #123 |
133. Sources.. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #133 |
150. But what about these statistics? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #150 |
195. The presumption here is that... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
94. I think the misunderstanding here is that you are confusing |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
166. BAR's and all other automatic weapons are already tightly controlled. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
183. Unalienable rights...including the right to keep and bear arms... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #94 |
185. I also think you are confused about the visions of the originators, it was ALWAYS |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #94 |
189. You just don't get it. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
205. Reasonable Restrictions |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Thank you |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. i live in WA state |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I also live in Washington state |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. corrections |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Actually, it's not a fallacy |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. Actually, it is a fallacy |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Frankly, sergei, I'm sick of arguing with the hairsplitting Gungeon denizens |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I'm interested to know where you got the notion that there is an "explosion of gun violence" |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I'm interested to know why any gun violence at all is acceptable to you |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. The only kind of violence that is acceptable to me is self-defense |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. Well, instead of breast-beating and pontificating, you should be trying to get the Second Amendment |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
171. No gun violence is acceptable, except when for common defense, self-defense, and law enforcement. |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
131. hairsplitting = support of constitutional rights ? |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
143. Frankly, I'm tired of your insistence that I'm a criminal. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #96 |
175. Let's discuss it then. What are your plans to MAKE THOSE responsible for illegal violence |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
130. try some reading comprehension |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
176. Of course - since MY right to do so has nothing to do with inflicting on YOUR rights - I don't even |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
99. So, when you catch a glimpse of a weapon on a stranger's belt |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. If you see it on his belt, it isn't CONCEALED! |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
164. Most states don't require a CHL to have a gun in the vehicle, |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
194. I wasn't going to reply...but... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. every Right enumerated also has regulations... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. correct |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. I'm taking nether side on the issue... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. No - the use of the right is not limited - the MISUSE of the right is. Same with USING guns - |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's only a hundred billion. |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. The obligatory penis comparison usually shows up much quicker. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. That means it's a universally understood idea. |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Oh, I understand it just fine, I just think it's hilarious for it to be brought up by |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. OMG! I'm a gunless, penisless citizen! |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. cue: |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I wonder if there's velcro involved... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. 2 versions |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. Hey, for all I know you're a hermaphrodite with a water pistol. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Whatever I have, |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Here's some more good "Second Amendment" news for you. |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. The onion? Well, don't despair, there's hope for you yet |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I corrected the link. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
118. They're illusion is that they are safe --- we're all suffering from their delusions however . . . |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
165. Well... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
75. But she lives in a pro-gun state.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. Argumentum ad hominem is the universal substitute for logic and reason |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
178. Hate viagra - had one get stuck in my throat once - had a stiff neck for hours! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
73. Estimated cost of green car violence: $100 million |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
120. There are at least some regulations for car manufacture --- and licenses for operators --- |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #120 |
135. And there are for guns and their owners, too. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #135 |
147. Guns are one of our least regulated manufactured products . .. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Because operationally, guns are very safe. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Unfortunately, people have had faulty guns and been killed by them . . . |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:39 AM Response to Reply #154 |
197. Faulty guns are very rare |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
208. I thought RED cars were the probelm |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
88. but, but, but, but, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
181. Run a stop sign and kill my passenger while yapping on your cell |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #181 |
192. you run a stop sign in your SUV while yapping on your cellphone and kill my kid |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
103. Approximatel y $35,000+ per gunshot victim . . . No one wants guns but the NRA --- !!! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. About 80 million US residents own guns, NRA membership is about 3 million |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. NRA is supporting fascist government . . . |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Nice bumper sticker slogans, but what do you really think should be done? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Personally, I think that all hand guns should be banned . . . are you hunting with hand guns? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Thanks |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. England did it --- |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #129 |
138. This isn't England |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. And England and America have a lot in common in regard to wanting gun control -- |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Ending the War On (some) Drugs would eliminate a lot of the violent crime |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Right ooooo --- |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #124 |
206. Nor is it Constitutionally legal |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. misplaced |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. You want them banned....except for when they aren't. Got it. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #121 |
179. Self-defense is the best reason for having one. I have hunted on occasion a while |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. "defendandprotect"? Are you one of those who thinks only cops and soldiers |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. I think you should have the right . . . under "gun control" . . . |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. Like Dennis Kucinich? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. And what would cause you to try to label Kucinich a "fascist" . . ??? |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. I don't think he's a fascist but apparently you do: from his own website I offer this: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. So . . . you're saying that anyone who wants gun control is a "fascist" . . . ? |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. Get some professional help. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. Well, that's one solution for someone who doesn't want to ... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
157. you got that right |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
134. Better Headline: Criminals cost us $100 Billion (and bush costs us even more) |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
170. Swimming in BULL. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
186. Well the good new is that when we win the WH |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Cool! Let me know when that amendment is changed, and the 5th, and the 9th, and the 10th. |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:13 AM Response to Reply #186 |
199. That legislation has to move fast |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:14 AM Response to Reply #186 |
200. post deleted |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
196. kick |
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reformedrethug (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:21 AM Response to Original message |
201. Just one question for you: |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
204. More studies needed. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
209. Estimated cost of drug war in America: $100 billion+ |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. illegal drugs, illegal guns |
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