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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:41 PM
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It's begun. The right-wing election e-mailing has begun.
I need a Mark Twain quote to counter this one:

Mark Twain on the Duty of Christians to Vote

It will be conceded that every man's first duty is to God; it will also be conceded, and with strong emphasis, that a Christian's first duty is to God. It then follows, as a matter of course, that it is his duty to carry his Christian code of morals to the polls and vote them. Whenever he shall do that, he will not find himself voting for an unclean man, a dishonest man. Whenever a Christian votes, he votes against God or for Him, and he knows this quite well. God is an issue in every election; He is a candidate in the person of every clean nominee on every ticket; His purity and His approval are there, to be voted for or voted against, and no fealty of party can absolve His servant from his higher and more exacting fealty to Him; He takes precedence of party, duty to Him is above every claim of party.

If Christians should vote their duty to God at the polls, they would carry every election, and do it with ease. They would elect every clean candidate in the United States, and defeat every soiled one. Their prodigious power would be quickly realized and recognized, and afterward there would be no unclean candidates upon any ticket, and graft would cease.

No church organization can be found in the country that would elect men of foul character to be its shepherd, its treasurer, and superintendent of Sunday School. It would be revolted at the idea; it would consider such an election an insult to God. Yet every Christian congregation in the country elects foul men to public office, while quite aware that this also is an open and deliberate insult to God, who can not approve and does not approve the placing of the liberties and well-being of His children in the hands of infamous men. It is the Christian congregations that are responsible for the filling of our public offices with criminals, for the reason that they could prevent it if they chose to do it. They could prevent it without organizing a league, without framing a platform, without making any speeches or passing any resolutions -- in a word, without any concert of any kind. They could accomplish it by each individual resolving to vote for God at the polls -- that is to say, vote for the candidate whom God would approve. Can a man imagine such a thing as God being a Republican or a Democrat, and voting for a criminal or a blackguard merely because party loyalty required it? Then can we imagine that a man can improve upon God's attitude in this matter, and by help of professional politicians invent a better policy? God has no politics but cleanliness and honesty, and it is good enough for men.

...If the Christians of America could be persuaded to vote God and a clean ticket, it would bring about a moral revolution that would be incalculably beneficent. It would save the country -- a country whose Christians have betrayed it and are destroying it.

Mark Twain, Colliers Magazine, September 2, 1905.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:43 PM
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1. The War Prayer
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 05:47 PM by Cerridwen
I'll go find a link, though I bet someone beats me to it. :D

An Illustrated version WARNING - extremely graphic pictures!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illuswarprayer.html

Just the text version: http://www.spinelessbooks.com/warprayer/index.html

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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:47 PM
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2. Mark Twain didn't like Christians particularly, iirc.
The original is much longer, btw. http://www.hannibal.net/twain/works/christian_citizenship_1905/christiancitizenship.shtml

Read the rest of it. Especially the last paragraph. No wonder they left off the rest of the essay.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:50 PM
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4. I especially like this Twain quote:
If this nation has ever trusted in God, that time has gone by; for nearly a half century almost its entire trust has been in the Republican party and the dollar -- mainly the dollar.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:53 PM
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5. Noooooo!!! I LOVE DUers.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:58 PM
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8. Here is the full and proper quote:
The motto stated a lie. If this nation has ever trusted in God, that time has gone by; for nearly half a century almost its entire trust has been in the Republican party and the dollar -- mainly the dollar. I recognize that I am only making an assertion and furnishing no proof; I am sorry, but this is a habit of mine; sorry also that I am not alone in it; everybody seems to have this disease.
-- Mark Twain, in Bernard DeVoto, ed, Mark Twain in Eruption: Hitherto Unpublished Pages About Men and Events (1940), quoted from Barbara Schmidt, ed,
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:14 PM
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13. Before I reply to the e-mail,
This is his exact sentiments and not something he had one of his characters say in a story? Right?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:47 PM
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3. here ya go, have fun!
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:56 PM
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6. Here's one...
from "The Mysterious Stranger"

Strange, indeed, that you should not have suspected that your universe and its contents were only dreams, visions, fiction! Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane - like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell - mouths mercy and invented hell - mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him! . . .

"You perceive, now, that these things are all impossible except in a dream. You perceive that they are pure and puerile insanities, the silly creations of an imagination that is not conscious of its freaks - in a word, that they are a dream, and you the maker of it. The dream-marks are all present; you should have recognized them earlier.

"It is true, that which I have revealed to you; there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream - a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought - a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!"

He vanished, and left me appalled; for I knew, and realized, that all he had said was true.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:57 PM
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7. He was a satirist. Are we sure this piece wasn't also satire? nt
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:58 PM
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9. It was, from what I can find.
But many Christian websites have picked it up as being proof that even people like Mark Twain can say something right now and then.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 08:37 PM
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17. Well... many of "those" Christian websites aren't exactly known
for their intellectual rigor, are they?

I'm more of a Brit lit person, myself. But boy, that sure read to me like his usual satiric voice!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:00 PM
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10. missb hit the nail on the head. The e-mail was lopped off right before
it showed Twain's true meaning.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:24 PM
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14. Which is evidence, of course, that these nutcases
ain't too "christian."

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:06 PM
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11. Send that person
Mark Twain's Letters from Earth.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:06 PM
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12. No one can prove there is a god. It's speculation. So the whole thing is bull shit since the first
premise can't be proved to be true.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:35 PM
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15. I sure like this one!
"No party holds the privilege of dictating to me how I shall vote. If loyalty to party is a form of patriotism, I am no patriot. If there is any valuable difference between a monarchist and an American, it lies in the theory that the American can decide for himself what is patriotic and what isn't. I claim that difference. I am the only person in the sixty millions that is privileged to dictate my patriotism."
- Mark Twain, a Biography

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:10 PM
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16. Thanks. That one works splendidly too.
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