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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:06 PM
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What other "interrogation techniques" are they using?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7324494

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Republican presidential candidate John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.

McCain voted against the bill, which would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.
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What the fuck are these other 19 interrogation techniques? Does anyone have access to the Army field manual in question here? I'm just wondering what other torture methods our military considers perfectly acceptable. Torture is torture, and MUST be stopped.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:07 PM
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1. multiple forced viewings of
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 03:08 PM by renegade000
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:10 PM
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2. nude photos of Barbara Bush
:scared::scared::scared:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 AM
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15. barf, gross
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:12 PM
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3. As I understand it
As I understand it, the ones in the manual are fine. It's the ones not in the manual are the problem.

But, I, too, wonder what other techniques they're talking about. There's no reason to believe that waterboarding is the only form of torture they've used. It's only the one they've been caught at.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:39 PM
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6. There are other methods I've read about before, that could ostensibly be torture
For instance, subjecting subjects to hot and cold temperatures, prolonged periods of darkness, etc.

Really, once you get beyond asking a person for information, what else is there?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:13 PM
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4. FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) HUMAN INTELLIGENCE (usDOD field manual)
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 03:18 PM by NightWatcher
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm2-22-3.pdf

there is the latest field manual that mentions the "other 19"

Section 5-27

Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment Prohibited
All prisoners and detainees, regardless of status, will be treated humanely. Cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment is prohibited. The Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 defines “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” as the cruel unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. This definition refers to an extensive body of law developed by the courts of the United States to determine when, under various circumstances, treatment of individuals would be inconsistent with American constitutional standards related to concepts of dignity, civilization, humanity, decency and fundamental fairness. All DOD procedures for treatment of prisoners and detainees have been reviewed and are consistent with these standards, as well as our obligations under international law as interpreted by the United States.1
Questions about applications not resolved in the field by reference to DOD publications, must be forwarded to higher headquarters for legal review and specific approval by the appropriate authority before application.
The following actions will not be approved and cannot be condoned in any circumstances: forcing an individual to perform or simulate sexual acts or to pose in a sexual manner; exposing an individual to outrageously lewd and sexually provocative behavior; intentionally damaging or destroying an individual’s religious articles.



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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:16 PM
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5. Not sure.
But it bans sleep deprivation, stress positions, and the use of dogs.

Regardless, * said he's going to veto this.
Because, really, what's freedom and democracy without torture?


(Do I really need this? :sarcasm: )
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:50 PM
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7. Technique details under the Bush administration


According to ABC News<42>, former and current CIA officals have come forward to reveal details of interrogation techniques authorised in the CIA. These include:

1.The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.

2.Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.

3.The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the abdomen. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.

4.Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor, for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.

5.The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius).

6.Waterboarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Material is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

Methods used at GITMO

1.Prolonged sleep deprivation,

2.Sensory deprivation,

3.Extremely painful "stress positions,"

4.Sensory bombardment (such as prolonged loud noise and/or bright lights),

5.Forced nakedness,

6.Sexual humiliation,

7.Cultural humiliation (such as desecration of holy scriptures),

8.Being subjected to extreme cold that induces hypothermia,

9.Exploitation of phobias,

10.Simulation of the experience of drowning and controlled drowning, i.e., waterboarding.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:00 PM
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9. Practically all of those could be considered torture
I wonder how many of these sick rethugs would enjoy being slapped in the stomach, or kept naked in a cold cell. These fucking assholes have no problem whatsoever doing this to other human beings, but they'd be the first to cry "torture" if these same things were done to our servicemen overseas.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:55 PM
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8. Is there a high tech version of the rack?
It was really popular with Torquemada during the Inquisition. It seems our home grown torturers like methods that don't leave visible marks or scars after the torture session is over. Look for techniques that accomplish that.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:04 PM
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10. Whatever they want. That's how a dictatorship like ours works.
That's what history shows of other dictatorships that operate in secret like our does with prisons outside any law.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:23 PM
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11. Several prisoners
have testified to being tied together by their penis and either having the rope tightened or being pushed over. There is a lot more going on than the administration will admitto, and the sexual techniques alone are outrageous. Despicable bunch of overgrown frat boys.........
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:29 PM
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12. Seems to be a lot of repressed homosexuality going on
What's with all this homo-erotic shit? Between this, the bullshit at Abu Gharib, and other things that we've heard about, there seems to be some fascination with sexual humiliation. You have to wonder how much of this has to do with any hidden, repressed homosexual tendencies. If you keep anything covered up and repressed too long, such as anger, it's going to boil over eventually.
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HummanaHummana Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:41 PM
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13. How would an American POW in Al Qa-eda captivity be treated?
Would they just ask him questions and leave him alone if he refused to answer. I think not! Al Qa-eda would torture the shit out of him, get their information, then saw his head off with a knife. Fuck the terrorists. They deserve to be tortured!
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:33 AM
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14. If you set yourself up as a model of human rights and probity,
Then you'd better NOT torture.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that pointing a finger and saying "he did it first" doesn't excuse you?

Moreover, most of those folks are innocent; just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Being an "enemy combattant" is a status offence. You are an enemy combattant because we say you are.

And maybe they would torture him, and maybe they wouldn't. It's still wrong and useless.
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