The Carter-Reagan Election was Hacked and rigged-

[Phred42]

Republicans have been actively destroying the Constitution and Democracy since at least Reagan.

I guess you could go back to 1940's and Prescott Bush (grandfather of GW Bush) and his friends and include the attempted Fascist Coup against FDR and the Constitution that they participated in and say republican have hated this country for over 60 years. You could, or, you could simply say that republicans simply HATE America and the Constitution and always have.
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The Carter-Reagan Election was Hacked and rigged- just like 2000.....but with the help of the FBI.

The 1987 Leonard Gates Deposition

http://www.thelandesreport.com/GatesDeposition.PDF

Gates, a Cincinnati Bell employee for 23 years, testified that in the late 1970's and 80's, the FBI assisted telephone companies with hacking into mainframe election computers in cities across the country.

[Taverner]

1. It all goes back to Roosevelt and Gen Smedley Butler

Do a Wiki on Smedley Butler. You'll be amazed.

[Phred42]

3. I have the Audio and reports on Butler. You are correct

But Butler SAVED our Democracy almost singlehandedly.

But 2008 is a different world. Would Butlers revelations make any difference today? I am sorry to say I don't think so.

[Wetzelbill]

7. oh he'd be treated like Joe and Valerie Wilson

at best.

[Phred42]

10. He'd be treated like JFK, RFK, MLK and Wellstone

[Taverner]

12. Unfortunately, yes

Gen Smedley Butler was an American Hero - A toast!

[cascadiance]

14. I still wonder if there will ever be the day when kids learn about him in the classroom...

... instead of having to find out the history of how he saved our country from fascism through blogs and alternative media.

[Phred42]

17. Agree. If I knew a film maker I'd push it.

Toast to Smeadly

:toast:

[ForeignSpectator]

27. Of course, they can't let that happen because it would hurt Jeb's chances for his run...

oh and it's such an honorable family! Can't let that happen...

[TheMightyFavog]

22. One of these things is not like the others,

One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Three of these things belong together
Three of these things are kind of the same
Can you guess which one of these doesn't belong here?
Now it's time to play our game (time to play our game).

If you picked Wellstone, You're right!

It was an unfortunate and very tragic accident, not an assasination. Get over it.

[Phred42]

23. If you're referring to wellstone - have a look at the circumsances of, and around the plane crash

[timtom]

30. Notice how Smedley Butler has been marginalized

He's all but unknown to Americans in general.

We learned about a Lieutenant Smedley Butler who was involved in Nicaragua ca. 1915. This we learned in Marine Corps bootcamp. That's all the detail I can recall, and I was pretty attentive in those days.

Of course, I have since read "War is a Racket" and his account of the attempted military coup against Roosevelt.

[Diane R]

2. I remember that day, it was devastating. And absolutely shocking.

[Warpy]

4. If that happened, it was overkill

Poor Carter had managed to alienate progressives by placating the GOP and had alienated the GOP by instituting a few programs that actually worked and worked very well, like the Strategic Oil Reserve, something that broke OPEC and killed off the windfall profits the oil giants had been raking in. The middle class was being killed by OPEC induced inflation that hiked up their tax bracket every time they got a raise that fell far short of keeping up with the inflation numbers, and Carter didn't deal with that.

Reagan seemed to have the answers for everything. He was smooth, glib and folksy. The GOP didn't need to cheat him into office.

[Phred42]

5. Carter's numbers didn't take a dive until

The Treason of Reagan and Bush Sr in making that deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages.

Carter would have won if the hostages had been released before November

[ldf]

18. i had a coworker tell me that

the reason the hostages were released five minutes after reagan started his oath of office was that he had made it crystal clear that if they WEREN'T released he would turn iran into a sea of glass.

i had always heard that the deal was to keep the hostages captive in order to defeat carter.

but i had never heard this particular spin.

i suppose that reagan COULD have told them to keep them captive until he is president, but if they don't release them then, THEN he would turn them into a sea of glass.

to me, that sounds more like the republicans...

:shrug:

[Phred42]

21. Bullshit! - Reagan and Bush Sr committed treason.

Is your 'co-worker' a republican - conservative - Reagan apologist?
Or just a Reich-wing stooge?


read October Surprise by Barbara Honegger (a Reagan insider)

One of the Reasons I don't like Bill Clinton is that he did not go after this Treason. Now he's best buddies with Bush Sr and part of the Oligarchy. Other reasons iinclude: NATFA, GAT , WTO, Telecommunications Act, but that's a different rant.

[JHB]

35. That was Republican Wet Dreaming...

...the conventional reasoning (held by such knowledgable people as Gary Sick, until even he became convinced of Republican covert contacts) was that the Iranians were just rubbing Carter's nose in it, which they were perfectly capable of doing.

[kdpeters]

40. And that sounds plausible to you?

the reason the hostages were released five minutes after reagan started his oath of office was that he had made it crystal clear that if they WEREN'T released he would turn iran into a sea of glass

Seriously, this spin right here sounds like bad Hollywood B-movie scriptwriting. It only makes sense if you view the Iranians as similarly flat, simplistic, caricatures of the villain cowards and Ronald Regan as the Lone Ranger. I don't want to call it racist, but I guess I would call it USA-centric ignorance. This just isn't plausible if you consider other people of the world are complex beings with complex motives.

The Iranians were in negotiations with the Carter adm and were close to a deal when they simply backed out of negotiations two weeks before the election. Why? They were going to have many of their demands met. It makes no sense that they would choose total capitulation instead. Why choose humiliation and fealty to Reagan and gain nothing rather than wield their power over Carter to get some of their demands?

Who benefitted? Surely Carter would have benefited in the elections had the hostages come home before election day. He didn't benefit. Reagan benefited by Carter's failure to bring them home. What was in the Iranians self-interest to pull out and delay the hostage release? Consider that Iraq had invaded Iran only one month before pulling out of talks. Just what would be the motive be for a nation at war and invaded by a foreign army to stubbornly provoke the most powerful nation in the world. That doesn't make sense. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that they got a better deal. That's a helluva lot more believable than the quoted meme above. Iran desperately needed arms they couldn't acquire under the sanctions. A nation under attack needs weapons. THAT sounds like a good reason to pull out of talks. They made a deal and knew they weren't really at risk for further military action by the US. That would be the last thing they needed. THAT makes sense to me.

Also consider that we found out in the Iran-Contra hearings that the Reagan adm was brokering secret illegal arms sales from Israel to Iran. Hmmm? So now we need to ask WHY the Reagan adm was making illegal secret arms deals with Iran. That doesn't make sense either nor is the accepted explanation any more plausible to me than that quoted above. BUT, the Presidency of the USA, THAT sounds like a compelling temptation to me. POWER. The most powerful position in the world. THAT makes sense. Given what we know as facts and context, the simplest explanation is that a deal was made to delay the hostage release to influence the election and to get into power.

[JHB]

37. That's not quite how I remember it (but close)...

Carter lost the "rally 'round the leader" effect after the Desert One rescue mission turned into a fiasco. But yes, getting a release before November probably would have boosted him into a winning position.

[trotsky]

34. You are correct once again, Warpy.

Carter didn't stand a chance in hell. Even if the FBI had worked to hack the election IN his favor, he still would have lost.

[eleny]

6. Phred, there's mention of a "Mr. Blackwell" on page 24

I've only gotten that far and wondered if that's the infamous Ken Blackwell.

Back to reading.....

[Phred42]

11. Nice Catch - Dunno - Let's ask her

http://www.thelandesreport.com/VotingSecurity.htm

[eleny]

13. i sent her an email - thanks!

[eleny]

16. Just received her first response....

"I'm glad you asked that question. I was wondering the same thing. I've
cc'd your email to Jim Condit, who should know.
Lynn Landes"


Phred, When I hear more I'll send you a PM
-e.

[Phred42]

19. Damn Well done! We will be expecting a full report

;-)

Should also ask her about the Date dependency issue that others here have raised. albeit unkindly in some cases

[eleny]

20. I'll ask about that issue as it confused me, too

Edit - I sent her a note of thanks and in that mail I mentioned the confusion about '79 not being an election year.

[Phred42]

24. Maybe send her this link and let her respond directly!

:)

[eleny]

25. I did send her the link

Hopefully we'll hear something in the next few days.

[Phred42]

32. TX - you are an asset to the rest of us DU'ers

[formercia]

8. The 'Special Relationship'

This is the best example of it i've seen so far.

It' always been this way with the 'Phone Company'.

You can't deny this.

The boys have always had access.

[TiredTexan]

9. I'm confused

given that the election occurred in 1980, not 1979, didn't it? Presidential elections occur in even numbered years, 72, 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 96, 2000, 2004 & 2008. Why is he talking about doing this in November of 79? Am I missing something?

[AZ Criminal JD]

15. Caught that did you?

He repeats November, 1979 through-out the deposition. He says it was the "November 1979 General Election". It is a total lie which is why it has been lying around in some file cabinet all this time.

[eleny]

41. There was an election in November of 1979

Check out this link that Lynn Landes sent me this morning in email ---> http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/ElectionsVoter/results1970s.aspx?Section=517

"CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY INITIATIVE PETITION

To provide mandatory deposits on all bottles and prohibit sale of beverages in metal cans that have detachable pull-tabs."

It looks like a practice run for those who might want to try it out and work out any bugs in their operation.

[AZ Criminal JD]

43. He said "General Election"

That is why the OP was referring to Carter-Reagan. Did you even read the deposition? It is absurd on its face.

[CyberPieHole]

26. Truly disgusting! But hardly surprising thing for repugs to do.

Thanks for posting and the link.

:kick: and rec

[Perry Logan]

28. More proof that Republicans are traitors. America isn't safe till they're all driven out.

[formercia]

29. It's more about ideology than political parties

The people who are doing this are right-wing reactionaries who join whatever political party that serves their purpose and gives them the most leverage.

This is all about secret societies and old boy networks that have nothing to do with patriotism, democracy, rule of law, but instead, operate to promote a myopic and anti-democratic agenda.

[LeftHander]

31. Sheds light on the urgency of FISA and Telco Amnesty

I still feel the Bush's unwarranted phone tapping and the NSA "room" setup at AT&T were not for terror but to manipulate elections by data manipulation and opponent surveillance.

[L. Coyote]

38. TIA = Total Information Awareness can be abused to cover up crimes too!

Like, stealing elections.

The Junta may be abusing the power to spy to make sure the crimes of
seizing the Executive do not emerge, and, to cover up Bush Sr crimes too!

[Echo In Light]

33. The October Surprise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruf5CynbPJo

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8476042566108039966&q=iran+contra&total=573&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

[Zywiec]

36. What about Reagan / Mondale in 1984?

[Phred42]

39. WHo knows - anyone done the research?

[Alexander]

42. Mondale killed his own candidacy by vowing to raise taxes.