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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:18 PM
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CIA behind production of films "1984", and "Animal Farm"
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:19 PM by shance
Howard Hunt, the CIA man,
bought the film rights to Animal Farm
and helped set up the first film production
of Nineteen Eighty-Four.


1984 A BAD MOVIE

"On the list of the ten worst movies I've ever seen (and I can't remember the names of the other nine) "1984" is near the top.

It so misrepresents Orwell's masterpiece that I tell people not to watch it.

It is so monosyllabic and boring and grey that I've only ever watched it myself using the fast forward button. Julia and Winston are not portrayed accurately and the sex scenes gross people out.

It was Richard Burton's last movie and it's too bad he didn't die sooner.

And John Hurt looked better as Elephant Man than he does in portraying Winston Smith.

The movie is actually so lame it gives Orwell a bad name, which is exactly what its producers intended."

In his recent biography, INSIDE GEORGE ORWELL, Gordon Bowker says that after Orwell's death the CIA got control of the film rights for Animal Farm and 1984:

excerpts from pages 421 to 423:

"... The fate of these two books at the hands of CIA-backed Hollywood production companies, which Frances Stonar Saunders exposed in her book Who Paid the Piper?, has been blamed on Sonia.

She had been charged with allowing his works to be misrepresented in the service of the right-wing Cold War cause, while all the time it appears that Warburg and others were guiding her in that direction. Orwell himself had been alive to these dangers and would have avoided them, as he had in standing up to the Book-of-the-Month Committee and complaining about the misrepresentation of Nineteen Eighty-Four in Life magazine. But Sonia was politically naive and, once film rights were sold, control of any resulting script and film would have been out of her hands."

"In her book Stonar Saunders notes that Warburg took a close interest in the screenplays of both Animal Farm and Nineteen Eighty-Four.

This seems to point to his hand being somewhere in the deal with Howard Hunt*, the CIA man who bought the film rights to the former from Sonia shortly after Orwell's death, and helped set up the first film production of the latter....

Warburg's main purpose would have been the effect of the huge film publicity on his sales (in 1954 he published an edition of Animal Farm with illustrations from the CIA-backed Halas and Bachelor cartoon), though he had also come to commit himself to the Cold War offensive, and was fully aware of the true funding behind Encounter. Later Sonia quarelled with Warburg, but at the outset of her literary executorship (from which Rees seems to have been simply excluded either by the 'bustling' Sonia or the calculating Warburg) she must have put her trust in the publisher's judgement and that of advisers such as Fyvel and Muggeridge."

"Inevitably, the takeover of the film rights of Orwell's last two books produced movies tailored to ideological ends.

In the cartoon version of Animal Farm the banquet at which the pigs become indistinguishable from their human oppressors was changed. Orwell's pessimistic intention was thereby obscured and the messge that the tyrannical Stalinist pigs are no different from the cruel capitalist farmers was lost. In the Hollywood Nineteen Eighty-Four the pessimistic conclusion - that Winston, the spark of individualism snuffed out, is reduced to loving Big Brother and awaiting the bullet in the back of the neck - was again replaced by the optimistic message that the individual is uncrushable, and Winston dies with the cry of 'Down with Big Brother!' on his lips. Among the critics who damned the cartoon Animal Farm when it appeared was David Sylvester, Orwell's old Tribune contributor, who called it 'a failure aesthetically, imaginatively and intellectually...The essential weakness of the film lies, not in the realisation of detail...but in its willful misinterpretation of Orwell's central intention.' The right-wing press, on the other hand, was mostly encomiastic . To her credit, when Sonia saw the Animal Farm film at a Hollywood preview, she hated it and blocked an attempt later to make it available to schools and colleges. Francis Wyndham remembers her being very bitter about it and feeling that once again she had let George down."

Regrettably it seems to be the case these days that when it comes to studying 1984 in school, teachers are using the movie version.

They plug the video into the machine and thus the students receive "prolefeed" created by the CIA instead of being taught the message of the book by a teacher who understands its importance. Unless students do independent learning they won't realize that there is a lot more to the book than Winston and Julia having sex and O'Brien upping the dial on the torture machine. ~ Jackie Jura

http://www.orwelltoday.com/movie1984.shtml

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:22 PM
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1. my big complaint against 1984- the movie is that you cant find it anywhere
I personally liked the bleak nature of the film, although the book was better.

I found most people's comments to the movie in highschool was (just like in the article) Julia's bush.

I think that Oliver Stone or Terry Gilliam could do a great remake of the movie if they could wrestle away the rights, but please god keep the script away from Gus Van Zant (Psycho? Vince Vaughn anyone)
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:25 PM
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2. I liked it,too-I have it on vhs,if I can find it
PM me and I'll send you a dvd
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 PM
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5. thanks, but I finally found a copy and ripped it to my ipod and made a dvd myself
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:59 AM
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29. recently re-watched it and liked it much better than when I saw it when first released
I believe I found it on the net... I also believe it was a director's cut and a good deal different from the 1980's version.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:27 PM
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3. Eurythmics did a good but unused soundtrack
The film makers commissioned it but then went with an orchestral score - but the soundtrack is pretty good if pretty eighties.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:36 PM
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7. I thought it was the other way around.
Dominic Muldowny composed an orchestral score and it was replaced by the rather bad Eurythmics music, IIRC.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:42 PM
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9. Are you sure? At any rate I'll say that it was rather good Eurythmics music
although possibly unsuited to the movie.

Bryant
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:04 PM
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13. I'm fairly sure.
And yes, by bad I meant not suited to the movie. That happens occasionally with pop artists who do dramatic scores. Thomas Dolby's score for the movie Gothic is a great example. The flip side, though, would be the Jonny Greenwood score for There Will Be Blood.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:23 PM
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17. I looked it up on IMDB and you are correct
The produces commissioned the Euythmics score and the director commissioned the orchestral piece.

Bryant
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:28 PM
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4. A very similar fate was intended (and accomplished) for Gilliam's "Brazil".
Theatrical releases

The movie was produced by Arnon Milchan's company Embassy International Pictures (not to be confused with Joseph E. Levine's Embassy Pictures). Gilliam's original cut of the film is 142 minutes long and ends on a dark note. This version was released internationally outside the US by 20th Century Fox.

US distribution was handled by Universal. Universal executives thought the ending tested poorly, and Universal chairman Sid Sheinberg insisted on dramatically re-editing the film to give it a happy ending, a decision that Gilliam resisted vigorously. As with the cult science fiction film Blade Runner (1982), which had been released three years earlier, a version of Brazil was created by the movie studio with a more consumer-friendly ending. After a lengthy delay with no sign of the film being released, Gilliam took out a full-page ad in the trade magazine Variety urging Sheinberg to release Brazil in its intended version. Eventually, after Gilliam conducted secret private screenings (without the studio's knowledge), Brazil was awarded the Los Angeles Film Critics Association award for "Best Picture", which prompted Universal to finally agree to release a modified 131-minute version supervised by Gilliam, in 1985.<1><4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_%28film%29
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:44 PM
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10. I love the movie, Brazil
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM
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23. It is a TREMENDOUS film. nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:10 PM
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20. Brazil was a great movie, recommended if anybody hasn't seen it...n/t
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:03 PM
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37. the impact
of Brazil on my Psyche in 1983 was spectacular. The first time I saw it I was inexplicably angry and disturbed. The surreal nature of the movie was a mind bend for me. It's on my list of top 10 lifetime favorites. It has sickeningly come to fruition in so many ways.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:03 PM
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38. Brazil was an amazingly good film.
One of my all-time favorites.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:35 PM
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6. I never watched the whole movie.
I always wondered why my teacher never brought up that "Down with Big Brother!" line. I fell asleep when she played it in class.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:45 PM
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11. because that line wasn't in the movie
the author of this article is a bullshit artist.....


And the movie was excellent.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:49 PM
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27. I know that,
and the op said it was left out of the movie, so I wonder, where's the bullshit.

Just asking so I know.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:41 AM
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33. Perhaps the article refers to this earlier version of the film.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 09:42 AM by leeroysphits
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048918/

from the fifties. I've never seen it so I don't know what they have Winston saying at the end.

As to the OP's description of the 1985 version as being one of the ten worst films ever I have say I strongly disagree and leave it at that.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:26 PM
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34. The author of this article is a JOA. (Jack Off Artist)
A first class wanker, with a buck skin belly and a rubber asshole.

I agree, the movie was excellent.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:39 PM
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8. I saw 'Animal Farm' and thought it was T O T A L crap
You have to see it to believe it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:55 PM
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12. which version?
the cartoon, or the one with live animals?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:18 PM
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15. the cartoon from the 50's
eom
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:15 PM
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14. My 13 year old son is in the middle of the book 1984
he has already read Animal Farm. Thank god my boys love to read because I am handing them all the classics like these.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:22 PM
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16. The MGM version on DVD
has the orchestral score. I do have a copy though of the Eurythmics soundtrack. The tracks Sex Crime (1984) and Double Plus Good are pretty good tunes. Dystopia with a dance beat.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:26 PM
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18. I would bet that less than a third of the people here have read it
And that less than half of those who have read it have any clue what the book is about.

Could you sum the entire book up in a sentence?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:12 PM
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21. It was actually required reading for me..
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:15 PM by Virginia Dare
I **THINK** in the 7th or 8th Grade...I could sum it up for you by telling you that it portrays what happens to a society when you give away your freedom for "security". Sound familiar?

"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." (I had to go back and google that so I could get it exactly right).
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:32 PM
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24. come to think of it,it was for me,too(in Md-circa 1974)
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:36 PM
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25. Yep, that would have been around the same time I read it...n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:28 AM
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31. Huh?
I think you might want to go back and read it again. There is no security in Winston's world, in fact insecurity is the name of the game. People are disappeared all the time in the book.

Try again.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:30 PM
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39. Hence why I put it in quotes.....n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:55 PM
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36. Yup, me too. nt
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:41 PM
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19. There are two different 1984 films. Your getting them confused.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 01:53 PM by Touchdown
EDIT: My apologies to the OP. It was the poster at the link who hated the film and got them confused.

The one you hate (Hurt, Burton) is a british production filmed in April 1984, the very time that Orwell's events took place in the book.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/

The one in the article is the older Black and White version filmed in 1956. This one had women in make-up and nice dresses. Not very Orwellian. This one is a US production.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048918/fullcredits

The key plot device of Winston's final end is the difference. The article mentions Winston saying "Down with Big Brother". That wasn't what John Hurt said. Hurt's Winston was beaten and on the viescreens admitting to crimes he didn't commit. Closing the film, he is sitting in a gin bar crying in his love for Big Brother and praising the army for the victory against Eastasia on the African Front.

I completely disagree with you on the Brit version. It was bleak, awful to look at and EXACTLY like Orwell wrote Oceania to be.

There is a new one set for a 2009 release. I'm assuming it's an adaptaion of Tim Robbin's current Play.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:18 PM
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22. I didnt write the piece. I placed quotes around the segment I posted
for that reason.

Sorry if it is confusing.

I simply thought the fact the CIA would grab the rights speaks volumes.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:18 AM
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30. Thanks for making those crucial points about the differences between the '56 and '85 versions.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 09:29 AM by leveymg
The 1956 film production of 1984 was very low budget, with poor acting, unimaginative direction, and was just gawd-awful 'fifties science-fiction. Very few people saw it at the time, and has been scarcely ever been seen since. The marketing campaign played up the tamely sexual, futuristic angle. Dated crap. See below:



The Hurt-Burton version wasn't released until 1985, which sort of diminished its mass appeal, and the movie didn't do well at the box office.



Intrinsically, it's a far better film, and I thought quite true to Orwell's vision of a dark, grimy, broken-down London trapped in a ruinous, permanent world war. It's camera work is grey and claustrophobic, like the book, but the screenplay lacked insight into the broader view of the conspiratorial politics of totalitarian society that the book conveys. But, worth seeing.

I'm glad to hear someone else is going to take a stab at it.


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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:29 AM
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32. I saw an English version with my father, so it would have been pre 1966
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:38 PM
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26. Get ready for this - Elvis' concert tours had CIA background , as did Up With People and
and RevMoon's Singing Angels groups. They could get into countries as production members that they normally would have had great difficulty.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:18 AM
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28. Interesting. K&R
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:54 PM
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35. I've certainly noticed the proliferation of teaching by video these days
Instead of teaching Greek mythology, my kid was treated to "Clash of the Titans", for instance. It's a damn stupid idea. Kids should be reading books. They don't do enough of it as it is. But lazy teachers prefer to plug in the video, which they likely haven't prescreened themselves. Makes me crazy.
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