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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:01 PM Original message |
if capital is free to move across borders, labor must be as well. |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Agreed. I've always said this. Globalization must cut both ways in order to be fair. n/m |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. yup. n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. If labor is free to move across borders, it must be TWO WAY |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. well, that *is* the logical conclusion of the current model |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. The bowdlerized version of free trade sold by "third way" politicians is a kind of miracle |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. the question can be rephrased as |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
49. They don't know, they don't understand and they don't care. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
55. I think that by now, it *MUST* be the latter. |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Major Premise is Wrong |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. question for clarity: |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
50. I Mean California Wages Drop |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. So in essence you are saying only American born people matter? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If you have no obligation to buy my labor, why should I pay for your retirement? nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. American citizens are all that should matter to the american government. |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. You Doubt the $500k? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes, I resent the fact that companies from all over the world can |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. but see, then you'd be taking their jobs. you know, |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. Capital should not be free to move across borders |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. a fair point. n/t |
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JosephSchmo (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. In theory it should be. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. right, and because there is more, people should have at least the same |
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JosephSchmo (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I believe open borders are a good thing |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
17. Jackpine smacks forehead (which reaches all the way back to the occipital region) |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. don't hurt yourself there. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. D'Oh. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. it wasn't original to me. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. It's in the air, I guess. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. Feeling a bit frisky this evening? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. moi? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Ain't it great? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. yeah. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I spent my day writing lesson plans |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Lucky bastard. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. No. Why are the two related? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. ok. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
52. The fact that it's implemented poorly does not mean it is without benefit. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Interstate trade works so well because people in those states can freely cross their borders... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. and in what way are the two *not* related? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Monkeys have a relationship to banannas. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
32. The problem is that capital, or wealth, gets so readily detached |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. and that's sort of a systemic problem, isn't it? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Oh, Hell, Ulysses. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. LOL! |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. If (your postulate), then the Law of Competitive Advantage is null and void... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. true, arendt, but capital isn't being restrained. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It's starting to look like....grow what you can...make do...use it up..wear it out |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Wait for peak oil, climate change, and jihad to wreck the global economy. n/t |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. little rays of sunshine tonight, aren't we? |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Just saw "There Will be Blood" and rented "The Good German". Yeah, I'm not feeling optimistic... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:08 PM Original message |
Won't be long. Oil refineries, terminals, and pipelines are big, immobile, flammable targets. n/t |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Dupe. please ignore. n/t |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
38. What a wonderfully succint statement! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I dunno--labor's a couple orders of magnitude more mobile than it was |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. In the case of telecommuting, yes, but that's not an option for many jobs... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. then again, with manufacturing, |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
48. Agreed |
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