Kristen Breitweiser isn't so high on the possibility of a President Giuliani.

[Gabi Hayes]

for very good, alas, unremarked in the MSM hagiographication, reasons

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/giulianis-deadly-impact_b_18564.html

Can someone please explain to me why Rudy Giuliani gets to give a victim's impact statement at the Moussaoui penalty phase hearing? Which family member did Guiliani lose in the attacks?

Forgive me, but Giuliani is the person responsible for deciding to locate NYC's emergency command center in the World Trade Center along with a diesal fuel tank (against the advice of certain FDNY officials) before 9/11.

Locating the city's emergency command center in a known al Qaeda target (the towers were struck in 1993 and al Qaeda publicly promised to return to finish the job) was a colossal failure in judgment on his part that cost hundreds of lives on 9/11.

During the attacks, because the command center was rendered inoperable, NYC had no clear chain of command and no physical command structure in place to coordinate the emergency response. Frankly, the whole reason Giuliani was on television all day and available for interviews was because he was scrambling around the streets trying to set up a command post since the one he had designed and located was paralyzed during the attacks.

something that she doesn't mention is that Giuliani had just signed a protocol to ensure joint, seamless command communications that would allow the NYPD and the FDNY to share crucial information. by splitting up the Police and FD control positions, Giuliani violated the very protocols he put into place. Who knows why, but the fact remains that he did, and NOBODY, including Bush, has capitalized more on nauseating, self-created 911 mythology than America's mayor.

See the first reply here for one of the many interesting comments to the HuffPo link.

[Gabi Hayes]

1. Giuliani, to the wives: "None of your business!"

As one of the 9/11 widows who fought tirelessly for the safety of the nation with Kristen, I must add that while she aptly and cogently states the truth about Mr. Giuliani she neglected to include the most heinous act of all. When we met with him to get support for an investigation into the 9/11 failures (9/11 Independent Commission) he told us that it was none of our business and that the agencies would fix themselves. Perhaps he didn't want anyone questioning why he had shipped out the steel from the building prior to inspection. Or better yet why he didn't protect the rescue workers and New Yorkers from the deadly air quality at ground zero.

President Giuliani?? I don't think so.
By: jg4 on April 05, 2006 at 09:53pm

[Gabi Hayes]

2. after the first WTC bombing, in 93, what did Giuliani do? Pretty much nothing....another reply

As a 9/11 Widow working tirelessly to make public ALL information regarding the failures on 9/11 and push for necessary reforms and change to protect the public, I must ask - what?? An Emergency Command Center in a known al Qaeda target? With a diesel fuel tank? Against the advice of his FDNY? No clear directions to the 911 operators to help them give viable life saving information to those trapped inside those over-sized coffins?

Despite the first attack on the WTC in 1993, Giuliani made no changes in preparation for the possibility of another terrorist attack in NYC (that was 8 long years of opportunity lost). On 9/11/01, there was a failure of emergency planning, emergency management and emergency communication - including inoperable radios. This contributed to the death of almost 3,000 people, both uniformed and civilian. This is not leadership.

Impact statement? Running for President? How would these extremely bad local decisions translate into making major decisions for a nation? More rightly, he should be begging for forgiveness!
By: nyg1 on April 05, 2006 at 11:42pm

[City Lights]

3. Thanks for the link, Gabi Hayes.

Enlightening stuff!

Recommended.

edited for typo

[Gabi Hayes]

4. sure...check this reply at the site, from someone with a little knowledge of

what went on during the fiasco:

Thank you for pointing this out. While the indiviudual firefighters and cops were indeed heroic on that day, their leadership was sadly lacking in foresight before the event, situational awareness while the attack was progressing, and owning up to manifest failure afterward. Kerik we know was a crook - Giuliani a shameless opportunist. It's almost tragi-comic now to see them in videos stumbling around lower Manhattan without any idea of what they were doing or how to get a handle on the situation.

I remember that day stating to my barmates, one of whom was a St. Louis fireman, that the response was an unmitigated disaster, that it should have been immediately obvious (it was to me) that the buildings, due to their design, were in grave danger of collapsing and that the best plan was to clear the area and maintain a minimal presence with the purpose of speedily evacuating as many people as possible.

Yet we see in the Naudet brothers' video a large number of chiefs arguing amongst each other while line firefighters and other responders stand around looking confused and helpless.

One man spent almost the entire time from first impact to second collapse trapped alone in a ground floor elevator, mere feet away from an army of responders with nothing to do. Only when all the power to the North Tower failed was he able to escape on his own, just before the tower collapsed on the remaining firefighters who remained oblivious to the danger.

I can't understand how we lost our competence. For God's sake, we put men on the Moon, but now we can't get out of our own way.

-ross in atl
By: desitter on April 06, 2006 at 10:23am

[City Lights]

6. I saw that. The comments are very interesting to read.

The first paragraph of this one made me laugh:

Please, Giuliani lost more than his command center. The reason he was on TV day and night was because the adulterer was locked out of his own bedroom. He had no place else to go.

Now, demolishing the building next door is on hold, because debris still remaining is a health hazzard. Compared to the months living in a cloud 15-blocks away and that smell I will never, ever forget, the current health hazzard is 1/100,000 of what we NYCers breathed for months as Bush made C.T. Whitman tells us it was no problem. When the local death rate jumps like mad in a decade, I'm sure they'll tell us that it's too late to go back and revisit their lies.

By: RLewis on April 06, 2006 at 11:52am

edited for clarity

[EFerrari]

5. Guiliani is sinkscum and Kristen is right

He's exploited our 9/11 dead and allowed the workers at Ground Zero to work in conditions that is now killing them.

Fuck you, Rudy. You are a sociopath.

:kick:

[JackRiddler]

7. Poisoning New York - Attempting to Establish a Junta

Following on Christine Todd Whitman's televised lies that the Ground Zero air was safe to breathe, although she knew better - may she soon be indicted and forced to pay for her crime as the first of many - New York City also issued false assurances. That's Rudy's responsibility, and then Bloomberg's. How many more people will die as a result, because they failed to take the right precautions, just so that Wall Street could more quickly open for business?

Most people don't remember, but Rudy then tried to establish New York's first open dictatorship. He wanted the Nov. 2001 elections delayed by 3 months, since he was the only man for the crisis. Candidates Bloomberg and the totally lame Democrat, Mark Green, agreed. Only because of candidate Fernando Ferrer's opposition was this plan put aside. Otherwise, a completely extraconstitutional emergency arrangement would have obtained for at least three months, for the first time in US history - setting a very important precedent.

You will see other attempts. Rudy has a track record in applied fascism like no other candidate.

[EFerrari]

8. I forgot he tried to cancel the election.

Felon.

[tanyev]

12. Mmm....that whiff of fascism that Chris Matthews is so fond of.

[Gabi Hayes]

15. have you seen him say it? 20 seconds in, or so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNrJ731EZNI&mode=related&search=

[FourScore]

9. Giuliani, Bush and (Christie Todd) Whitman

should all be sitting in jail for what they did to the EPA results. See the movie:

"Dust and Deceit at the WTC"

http://www.visibility911.com/dust.htm

[Cha]

10. ghouliani better watch his step or

his trying to capitalize on 9/11 by running for prez could bring out all his multitudes of skeletons.

"As one of the 9/11 widows who fought tirelessly for the safety of the nation with Kristen, I must add that while she aptly and cogently states the truth about Mr. Giuliani she neglected to include the most heinous act of all. When we met with him to get support for an investigation into the 9/11 failures (9/11 Independent Commission) he told us that it was none of our business and that the agencies would fix themselves. Perhaps he didn't want anyone questioning why he had shipped out the steel from the building prior to inspection. Or better yet why he didn't protect the rescue workers and New Yorkers from the deadly air quality at ground zero."

President Giuliani?? I don't think so.
By: jg4 on April 05, 2006 at 09:53pm
Flag:

[Olney Blue]

11. Rude-y is not going to survive the primaries.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

13. Wow. Living in Florida, I was unaware of any of these things.

Thanks Gabi, and Kristen and all the other posters for the enlightenment.
K & R for all to see.

[Kurovski]

14. Another useful failure for president.

The convenience of "incompetence", falling upward are the keys to success in the reichwing Republic Party.

If the media ever decides to stop their attempts at linking Obama to terrorists maybe they'll have time to report on Rudy's gross and disastrous "errors", and his exemplary private life. :eyes:

[Gabi Hayes]

16. "I wanted to vomit," said Monica Gabrielle, another Sept. 11 widow, of Giuliani's appearance.

"He spent 3 1/2 hours talking about the horror of the day, but he didn't mention the things he failed to do. This is the same story he's been out giving speeches and getting paid for, for four years. He should be apologizing instead of getting fees."

http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-usrudy094696233apr09,0,6516622.story

[Gabi Hayes]

17. Taylor Marsh interviews Breitweiser about her book:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/audio.php?audio=http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast/mp3/podcast.2006-09-26.KristenBreitweiser_01.mp3

[PCIntern]

18. You know....

I was watching this horror unfold on the TV set in my office, and as the first building came down, and the astonishing dust cloud began to spread through the streets, I turned to my associate and said. "If I were graduating from medical school today, I would go into pulmonology and set up a practice east of lower Manhattan." I swear to God.

It was so obvious that this was the dust equivalent of a thermonuclear device and those in charge chose to state that there was no danger when school buildings are closed for months or years because a few fibers might get out of the containment area, was nothing short of totally outrageous from the standpoint of public health.

In about 5 years, we shall start seeing the massive lung cancer and emphysema/COPD patients showing up at various hospitals. The media will then get experts in who will discuss the 'clumping' effect of statistics: that it's just what you woulod expect - a variation of the seeming norm.

There will be the statement: "There is no credible evidence that..." At that point you can turn off your TV.

[Gabi Hayes]

20. funny you should mention that. see post 19.

some details.....

[Gabi Hayes]

19. Abandoned Heroes.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/437417p-368502c.html

The big lie

The betrayal of the 9/11 responders began with a lie that reverberates to this day.

When the twin towers collapsed, the remains of 200,000 tons of steel, 600,000 square feet of window glass, 5,000 tons of asbestos, 12,000 miles of electric cables and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete crashed to the ground and then spewed into the air. To the mix were added 24,000 gallons of jet fuel burning as hot as 1,300 degrees.

At The Pile, the air was "darker than a sealed vault and thicker than pea soup," in the description of one deputy fire chief. But officials pronounced that would-be rescuers were safe.

As then-U.S. Environmental Protection Administrator Christie Whitman put it in a press release on Thursday, Sept. 14, 2001: "Monitoring and sampling conducted on Tuesday and Wednesday have been very reassuring about potential exposure of rescue workers and the public to environmental contamination." Two weeks later, Mayor Rudy Giuliani said rescue workers faced minimal risk because the air quality was "safe and acceptable."

[PCIntern]

22. The Big Lie...

This will not help Giuliani...the sight of Cancer-riddled people testifying en masse that they were told that it was safe to help SALVAGE DEAD SCRAP STEEL FOR EXPORT- since no one was left alive underneath, may have increased the death toll a hundred-fold.

It is conceivable that there could be a million direct and peripherally related deaths from this attack. Had they stated that this cloud was a hazard, there woujld have been a mass exodus from Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens, as well as all points East.

I live in SE PA and know what would have happened if Three Mile Island had melted down and exploded...absolutely uninhabitable Lancaster County, the 5 County Philly area, and S. Jersey.

[Gabi Hayes]

24. sad thing is....it has to be a PUG that does the dirty work. If St.Rudy

gets the nod, NO DEM will be allowed to bring facts like this forward, and NO M$M outlet will bother to cover/disseminate it.

can you say GWB, ca. 1999-2000, and GWB 2004

if you think they went easy on Bush, just watch the suckiness applied to America's Mayor by Amerika's Fascist Media

[PCIntern]

26. Lemme just say

that that's exactly why the campaign to bring out the truth in as many areas as we can is critical before the election season REALLY starts heating up. If we wait too long, then all that will happen is that things will be spun against us.

Put your foot on the floor and jsut keep accelerating - damn the torpedos, full speed ahead.


...and RECOMMENDED THREAD to boot...

[Gabi Hayes]

27. that's why I'm doing this....building me up a nice little Rudyfile

it helps to really loathe that creature.

not that it's difficult

he's even worse than McCain, who, at one time MAY have had some redemptive qualities.

let me see if that Talk of the Nation thread is still up at Salon Table Talk

I spoke with McCain during 2000, regarding Bush/AWOL, and he DEFENDED him with incorrect facts. I corrected him.

[Gabi Hayes]

28. too bad....they cut their archives way back, and don't have the media folder.

they'd kept stuff on there for over seven years, but their Talk of the Nation thread, which was great, cause it comprised of mostly Juan Williams bashing, after he took over for Ray Suarez, was very entertaining

[PCIntern]

29. One more note on Rudy...

I don't know if you saw this but the other day on MSNBC, Chris Jantzen was doing a hit job on Clinton's speaking fee income, totalling over 40 million. As an apostrophe she mentioned that Rudy has collected 'a lot' of money. And oh yes, incidentally, Clinton does a lot of speechifying for free. But the BIG STORY is that Clinton's made a lot of money.

Rmember when they were talking about his legal bills...now they're complaining that he's too rich. What are these media types anyway, Communists?

[Gabi Hayes]

31. not commies, by any stretch....fascist enablers is all they are.

I wonder how much Rudy's made in his various business incarnations since 911, particularly in partnership with Bernie

[PCIntern]

33. I guess what I was saying

was that years ago, and I know you remember this, anyone who ever spoke against the profit motive was a Commie.

The Rwers do this all the time when Dems are rich...can you only imagine what they'd be saying about Bloomberg if were in the Democratic Party?

[Gabi Hayes]

36. I know....I was just responding to the commie part. I say that here, all the time,

sarcastically

just for fun, yknow?

like, "What're you, a commie? Or what?"

[PCIntern]

39. Yeah...

I just wrote that so:

1. YOu'd know my thought process here and

2. It would kick your post up...

Hey I did it again!!

[Gabi Hayes]

21. from comments on a Howie Kurtz/Giuliani article WRT his secret oppo research paper, ca 1993.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007021301225

1) These are but a few of the charges that are going to be leveled at Giuliani during the course of the campaign. He is not known to be a very collegial executive, he is a strong supervisor but a restive colleague. He is a nurturer of grudges, and is bruisingly competitive. During his tenure as Mayor he sent his investigators into a Wall Street stockbrokers office to seize and cuff a man accused of securities manipulation who was subsequently released because of lack of evidence.

He demands scrupulous allegiance from his subordinates and pristine behavior, but occasionally falls short himself in these departments. He was quick to take credit for the the unanticipated success of the petty crime prosecution that his first police commissioner instituted in New York, but refused to extend that commissioners two year term. The Justice Executive, a talented one, now heads up the police operation in Los Angeles. All these qualities will be fleshed out, turned over and examined by the voters. it will be interesting to see how
Giuliani ultimately fares against Senator John McCain.

2) Like Bush, Giulianis political fortunes were on the decline on Sept. 10, 2001. Like Bush, he capitalized big time starting the next day. Both of these men are like roosters taking credit for the sun coming up. I can only hope that McCains newly recruited Rove-trained hit men will do as effective a job with Giuliani as they did on Democratic candidates, and that this vicious man will pay them back in kind.

amen to the last sentence

[Gabi Hayes]

23. Please read this, and tell me why she shouldn't be running for high office:

from a tweety show, last year.

scroll down to citoyenne

http://marisacat.wordpress.com/2006/05/04/



BREITWEISER: Listen, all I would have to say with regard to the mens rea, throwing out a legal term, I‘m a lawyer, but I don‘t practice law, is that after 17 sailors died on the USS Cole and two of those hijackers that Tenet had under surveillance were inside this country, I would say that if you‘re the DCI, you should know to bring those gentlemen in. You should know to bring the FBI in the loop.

Having said that, with regard to the 9/11 Commission recommendations, without doubt.

I mean, you are talking about the city of New York still not having radios for the firemen. You‘re talking about the Hurricane Katrina, where our evacuation protocols were abysmal.

We are almost five years out from 9/11.

We have not paid any attention, we have not learned any lessons and the truth of the matter is, we are not any safer. If anything we are less safe.

And it breaks my heart. We—the 9/11 family members fought very, very hard to get those recommendations put in place. We fought hard for the commission. I don‘t know what more it is going to take and I would ask Senator Biden to keep fighting down in Washington.

And we‘d like to see some action and I would tell all the American people listening that the election is coming up, the midterm elections. Hold your elected officials accountable, because we are almost five years out from 9/11 and we are no safer.

[spanone]

25. Amen, Kristen, amen.

k&r

[Kingshakabobo]

30. There was thread like this a month ago and there were a couple ...

....prominent DUers defending Gouhlliani because he made them "feel good" on 9/11.:puke:

[Gabi Hayes]

32. Bush probably made them "feel real good," too.

what can you say about the credulity of those that just swallow the conventional wisdom?

pretty much don't believe anything to start out with, then see what the real story is.....after the, uh, dust settles, sts

[Gabi Hayes]

34. Ever heard about this book, Radio Silence?

We find it disturbing that the Mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani and his Director of the Office of Contracts either knew or should have known that a requirement contract was being used to justify the purchase of unlimited quantities of radios at unrestricted prices, especially in light of the fact that those radios had enough problems that the Fire Commissioner had to order them pulled from service. That fact that Von Essen, Best, Giuliani and Fitzpatrick have never been questioned under oath about that issue and that they have not had every single applicable document subpoenaed, is inexcusable. - Page 169

[Gabi Hayes]

35. FAR worse than anything Bush ever did prior to '''becoming pResident?'

http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040520.html

In the epic accounts of Sept. 11 provided over the last two days by former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and his aides, the Police and Fire Departments bravely worked together, and no catastrophic failure to communicate doomed scores of firefighters inside the World Trade Center.

Instead, Mr. Giuliani testified, those firefighters heard an evacuation order, but still did not leave the building. They were "standing their ground" to make sure civilians got out, he said.

Mr. Giuliani's vision of the day, offered during his testimony before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, addressed the loss of many firefighters who appeared to have had ample opportunity to escape. Along with his former commissioners of the police, fire and emergency management departments, Mr. Giuliani denied that the city's response suffered from the central problems identified by the panel and by earlier city investigations. The firefighters "were interpreting an evacuation order the way a brave rescue worker would interpret an evacuation order, which is to first get the civilians out and then get yourself out," Mr. Giuliani said.

For all the power of his voice and stature, however, Mr. Giuliani's account must compete with a substantial and diverse body of evidence that flatly contradicts much of what he and his aides say happened that day, particularly on matters that could be seen as reflecting on the performance of his administration.

.............

http://dailygotham.com/blog/paul/giulianis_9_11_myth_begins_to_take_on_water

the above is a must-read, as well. you'll probably only see it here, though. doubt it will make it into the mainstream

[judaspriestess]

37. this dude is not going to cut it

just like the hack who was nominated for was it homeland security but had to step aside because of all the corruption that surfaced. The apple does not fall to far from the tree.

on edit: can you believe I bought his book? It was highly recommended. I can't remember who suggested it but it had something to do with self empowerment or something. Anywhoo, I have never even read the book, time to go the recycle bin.

[Gabi Hayes]

38. not everybody in New York loves Rudy

Outraged relatives of World Trade Center victims heckled former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on Wednesday as their hopes that he would be grilled by the Sept. 11 commission faded in the face of gentle questioning and effusive praise from panel members.

"My son was murdered because of your incompetence!" shouted Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the trade center. Seated three rows behind Giuliani, she jabbed her finger at the former mayor and waved a sign that read "Fiction" as he gave the city's emergency response a glowing review.

Giuliani finished his testimony and abruptly left the auditorium minutes later, upsetting family members who said they received few answers. Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband, Richard, called it a "lost opportunity."

"This was not a time for Rudy Giuliani to talk about all the great things he did on 9/11," she said. "He can save that for his talking tours. He should have told us what went wrong and what we should do now."

http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040519_kc.html

[Gabi Hayes]

40. Radio Silence, the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Radio-Silence-FDNY-Betrayal-Bravest/dp/097590213X

When former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared under oath on national television before 9/11 Commission on Terrorism, why did the victims of 9/11's families shout out, "Ask him about the radios" and "Let's talk about Motorola."
Why did the 9/11 Commission fail to ask Giuliani about the FDNY radios?
Are you safe in New York City?
Are you safe in your city?
Are you being told the truth or just "spin" by certain high-ranking former New York City and FDNY officials about why as many as 125 New York City firefighters and uncounted civilians may have died needlessly on 9/11?

Was corruption involved? Were former FDNY and other officials that are now members of Giuliani Partners involved? Have the victim's families and the public been being lied to about what happened?
Have the same radio problems that resulted in what happen in New York City on 9/11 been allowed to happen in your city?

........

not a whole lot out there about this book, especially the bit about Giuliani Partners

[Gabi Hayes]

41. seriously...the single best link I've seen on Giuliani

http://d-day.blogspot.com/2007/02/i-come-to-bury-rudy-giuliani-not-to.html

lots of embedded links

this is the crux, italicized part from Glenn Greenwald, the final bit from the blogger:

Rudy Giuliani is, I think, by the far the smartest and most politically talented candidate in the Republican field, a fact to which most residents of New York during his mayoralty - including those who dislike him -- would likely attest. In an overwhelmingly Democratic city, he won two elections, including a landslide for his second term. And he does have in his past many incidents which will uniquely appeal to Christian conservatives, such as the war he waged periodically on works of art and other cultural expressions which offended his religious sensibilities <...>

Giuliani is an "authoritarian narcissist" -- plagued by an unrestrained prosecutor's mentality -- who loves coercive government power (especially when vested in his hands) and hates dissent above all else. He would make George Bush look like an ardent lover of constitutional liberties. He is probably the absolute worst and most dangerous successor to George Bush under the circumstances, but his political talents and prospects for winning are being severely underestimated.


It is crucial that this information is brought to light immediately. Rudy Giuliani's weaknesses in the Presidential race are not his moderate views on social issues. His weaknesses, actually, are the fact that he's completely dismissive of civil liberties, uses the police state as a cudgel, makes horrible decisions based on little other than self-regard, and has a tendency to silence any and all dissent. He's not necessarily unelectable in the primaries, but he ought to be in the general. And raising awareness of these issues is absolutely crucial NOW before the press goes to sleep and uncritically anoints him as "America's Mayor" once again.

[JackRiddler]

42. kick

[Gabi Hayes]

43. longer clip of RG blaming the troops, thx to helderheid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6LZh7dcB2Q

[wildbilln864]

44. I support the Jersey Girls ....

100%! Giulliani is a pos IMO!
Please sign this petition for the Jersey Girls!

Thanks.
:hi:

oops! I put it in. Why didn't it show up?
anyway...
http://www.petitiononline.com/july10/petition.html

[Gabi Hayes]

45. be happy to, but....

what petition?

[wildbilln864]

47. sorry.

Edited it as it didn't show the link I put in.
:hi:

[R_M]

46. Giuliani gets to give a victim's impact statement at the Moussaoui trial...

because the media allows him to do so. That is why. Rudy has no qualifications to be President.

[wildbilln864]

48. Kick!

http://www.petitiononline.com/july10/petition.html

[Gabi Hayes]

50. Thanks! the above link has the Jersey Girls' onlin petition to

release the data from, well....here it is:

To: U.S Congress; Press/Media
We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S.

Given that much of the July 10, 2001 meeting has already been made public in Bob Woodward’s newly released book, “State of Denial”, it is unacceptable to continue to keep these documents and transcripts hidden from the American public’s view.

In addition, we again call for the declassification and release of both the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General’s report, “CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks”.

The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day.


Sincerely,

[Gabi Hayes]

49. can't remember if I linked this, but it would make for a great political ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb2y1IM17sM&NR

[wildbilln864]

51. kicked...

for exposure!

[Gabi Hayes]

52. just wait....when the Rudy train leaves the station, there will be more threads like

this than everything else combined.

he's their (by that I mean the same people who brought us GWB, AND their compatriots in the corporate media) boy, and he's the one we're going to have to beat

I'm very frightened of this possibility

[Gabi Hayes]

53. more from the ''Rudy thinks everybody else is crazy'' dept.

Giuliani in response to Judge Nina Gershon when she sided against New York after Giuliani sought to pull funding from the Brooklyn Museum over its controversial "Sensation" exhibit (November 1999):

"The judge is totally out of control. She's lost all reason."

...........

Giuliani on the three anti-Ku Klux Klan members who posed as real Klan members to get near the Klan, which was demonstrating in New York (October 1999):

"I mean, what kind of a perverted human being wants to pretend to be a Klan member? You go find that person for me and I can find a serious problem that they have. You go find somebody who wants to go around pretending to be a Klan member, and I can go find a candidate for some kind of serious rehabilitation of some kind."

...........

Giuliani about the "Sensation" exhibit (October 1999):

"I don't want any money coming out of my pocket to pay for this kind of sick demonstration of clear psychological problems. This should happen in a psychiatric hospital, not in a museum."

and

"I am adult enough, sensible enough and educated enough to look at this and say, 'These are displays of significant psychological problems that should take place some place else other than in a museum for children.'"

...........

Giuliani after a caller to his radio show disagreed about Giuliani's opposition to "Sensation" (October 1999):

"Take some Valium!"

...........

Giuliani to activist Christopher Brodeur, who was angry that Giuliani had ridiculed him and his ideas in the past (September 1999):

"Get off the phone you crazy nut!"

Giuliani talking about Brodeur (September 1999):

"I'm convinced there is something seriously wrong with him. Because a normal person doesn't do this. You don't start harassing somebody on the telephone and get involved in this kind of sick, compulsive behavior."

...........

Giuliani on people in New York who don't clean up after their dogs (August 1999):

"a whole host of other problems that play out in their personalities."


...........

Giuliani on Brooklyn Borough President Howard Golden opposing the construction of a minor league baseball stadium (August 1999):

"Can you believe the borough president of Brooklyn is opposing it? Can you believe it? You've got to get your head examined, right? Call him and tell him to get his head examined."


...........

Giuliani commenting on an offer Consolidated Edison made to victims of food spoilage after last summer's power outage (July 1999):

"Anybody that's taking $100 and signs a release better get their head examined."

http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/03/22/crazy/print.html

[Poiuyt]

54. Unfortunately, those are the kinds of comments that a lot of Repubs like

[Stephanie]

55. Rudy was too busy with his personal soap opera to be bothered with mundanities.

He had a wife and a mistress and prostate cancer. He was tabloid front page gossip fodder every day. His life was scandal. And he was soon to be unemployed. And homeless, crashing with friends.

[Gabi Hayes]

56. this has been out for almost six months, not counting the book:

The Real Rudy
From the September print issue: The image of Rudy Giuliani as the hero of September 11 has never been seriously challenged. That changes now.
By Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins


Five years have passed since September 11, but for Rudy Giuliani, it’s as if the disaster happened yesterday. When we needed a leader, he walked the canyons of Lower Manhattan, covered in soot and rallying a panicked city through a morning turned suddenly dark. Nearly 2,000 days and two foreign wars later, his image remains as compelling a symbol of that transforming moment as the crumbling towers. As he prepares for the presidential campaign that has been his dream since he was in college, that is surely what he hopes voters will remember.

That image has never been closely examined or seriously challenged. In Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton’s new book, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission, the investigative panel’s bipartisan leaders confess that their greatest single failing was the pass they gave America’s mayor when he appeared before them in 2004. Even as the evidence of the city’s self-inflicted wounds has mounted, Giuliani has seen his mythic star rise, boosting him to the top of GOP presidential polls and establishing him among the most admired public figures in the land.

But now, as Giuliani embarks on the long road from Tribeca to Des Moines, betting that a single visual can overcome all of his New York social-issue handicaps, he is testing the limits of the nation’s 9-11 nostalgia. With Karl Rove’s former deputy, Chris Henick, working at his side at the former mayor’s consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, the putative candidate is making himself fair game for fresh scrutiny, even within the party that exploited his icon status at its 2004 convention, as well as on the campaign and lecture circuits ever since the terrorist attacks.

Rudy Giuliani’s performance on 9-11 is legendary, but behind that image lies another less flattering reality: an eight-year history of error and negligence and a failure to plan ahead that caused critical errors -- and even cost the lives of firefighters and police officers. Some of the 9-11 family leaders who have raised the most troubling issues about the city’s preparations have vowed to stalk him in the primary states. Their focus is on firefighters whose lifeline link to unheard evacuation orders was the same radio that failed in the same towers during the first terrorist bombing in February 1993. They can’t understand why the city never performed an interagency drill in the towers, had no plan or command-and-control protocol for a floor-consuming high-rise fire, and was indifferent, even after the 1993 warning, to rooftop, elevator, and handicapped rescues. The gross failures of building- and fire-code enforcement, the stark ineptitude of the mayor’s vaunted Office of Emergency Management (OEM), the tolerated insularity of Fire Department command, the stay-put death knell of the 911 operators and fire dispatchers -- they all continue to haunt the families. They hold Giuliani himself responsible for the decision that morning to split the police and fire command posts, when the first rule of emergency response is unified command. Their separation contributed to communication gaps that every official inquiry has said caused casualties.

The spin-free examination of Giuliani’s sainted status should begin now, just as he attempts to catapult himself to the White House almost exclusively on the force of that one-day war. It starts with this sample of illusions about him, centered around his self-advertised premonitions of the terrorist threat and the fortress he built to defend the city from its attackers.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11973

what do you want to bet that this sort of information will not see the light of national exposure?