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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:44 PM
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Bush lays a Guantanamo Trap! . . . Dems will get caught.
It's diabolical. . .

http://www.attytood.com/2008/02/bush_lays_a_guantanamo_trap_fo_1.html
A quick trial under military rules, and a speedy execution, is the only long-shot hope for Bush and Cheney for making the worst of the torture nightmare that they've created go away. That said, this new push for an execution is likely to rally more opinion around the world -- the death penalty has been abolished or is not used in most civilized nations -- against the United States; at the risk of appearing cynical, I doubt this decision would be announced if Mitt Romney and his famed "double Guantanamo" move or if Rudy Giuliani were still viable candidates.

But as today's articles note, it is unlikely, with appeals and the like, that any conviction and death penalty could be carried out as quickly as January. That lays the problem on the lap of the next president -- regardless of whether it's McCain, Clinton or Obama -- who would have to either affirm the military tribunals, or else declare on the first day of their presidency that one of their first officials acts will be to overturn a death sentence for a 9/11 mastermind.

That's a classic Rovian political trap if I ever saw one. And it's more proof that undoing the nightmare eight years of Bush and Cheney is going to be a lot more work than simply placing a right hand on the Bible.



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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:45 PM
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1. this will be one of many landmines that the * administration will leave lying around
one of many
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:46 PM
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2. K&R
nice work!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:54 PM
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5. (credit to wildbilln864. . . he found it)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:48 PM
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3. It's an easy decision for a progressive president.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:51 PM
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4. Trails based upon info gained from Torture?
It's the New World Order based upon the Third Reich.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:59 PM
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8. And that's why it's an easy call to repudiate thoses trials.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:55 PM
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6. not really
first there is`t a "classic rovian trap" because every so called trap is in plain site. the problem with undoing the past 8 years is whether the democrats in the house and senate decide to show leadership and courage to uphold the constitution of the usa. in my opinion there is`t enough
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:56 PM
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7. Those are not the only choices - for instance
On day one the new President can declair that the military will have no further involvement in any legal affairs of the detainees, that they will be immediately moved to a Federal Prision and that the Department of Justice will begin public trials or the innocent will be released. And then do it. End of fucking story. Our credibility in the world more or less instantly restored.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:00 PM
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9. Easy enough to avoid the trap
Simply preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Why, we could almost make that the litmus test of all future presidents. Make 'em swear on a Bible or the Daily Racing Form at their inauguration.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:17 PM
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10. 9-11 mastermind only by confession made under torture
I doubt any of them had anything at all to do with 9-11. Torture someone and they will do what ever the torturer asks them to do. Just ask McCain as he did exactly what the North Vietnamese asked of him after being tortured..
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:23 PM
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13. What I'm anticipating is the corporate media blowback. You KNOW
that hay will be made if a Dem Pres closes down the trials because they're kangaroo courts...
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:24 PM
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11. They need to start getting their opinions on the record now, then
Obama, Hillary, heck, even McCain - they need to start stating unequivocably that this, and other Bush admin transgressions against the Constitution are what they are now, or they will be in the trap.

Simply put, it's unAmerican to try someone in a Kangaroo Court with evidence beaten out of him, with the only possible endings being guilty=swift hanging and aquitted=back to Guantanamo to rot until we try you again (heck, we got rid of habeas corpus and ex post facto, why not throw out double jeapordy?). Even Iraq put on more of a show of fairness in trying Saddam.

I hear the candidates talking about how Bushco policies "aren't working". That's not nearly fucking good enough. Bushco policies are often illegal, unconstitional, unfair, and unAmerican.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:07 PM
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12. That would require foresight. Something sorely lacking in
politicians. (How else could KKKarl have held such sway for so long?)
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