***** FISA on the Senate Floor ***** LIVE Feinstein speaking

[L. Coyote]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[gateley]

1. K&R - Thanks! nt

[VP505]

20. Dodd up

thanking Feingold for his leadership against bulk collection of electronic communication. Reminding the Senate they took an oath to uphold the constitution. Looks like another fiery well reasoned speech against immunity!

[L. Coyote]

139. FULL TEXT: Senator Dodd's 2.5 hour speech = 008.02.11 = LINK to DU thread

Senator Chris Dodd's complete 2 1/2 hour speech from last night
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2854637

[lonestarnot]

2. I hope it doesn't turn out badly, as

I cannot take one more fucking thing!

[VP505]

3. She (Feinstein) is still whining

for telecoms immunity.

[DJ13]

5. I've given up of Feinstein

She might as well reregister as a liberal Republican as often as she bows down to Bush.

[ORDagnabbit]

7. why would you give up on somebody with a (D) behind their name?

http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2007/12/diane-feinstein-corrupt-war-profiteer.html

[malaise]

4. Thanks n/t

[malaise]

6. WTF is Hatch reading here?

Sheriffs demanding immunity for telephone companies? This is madness.

Shut your hatch Orrin - Bush violated the law and so did the telecom companies.

[VP505]

8. Sure, a lot of

Sheriffs want immunity for telecoms, there are probably lots of thing they would like to do without being burdened with a constitution. He also had a chart listing the AG'S from a number of states that want immunity, any bets on how many are RePukes?

[malaise]

12. All n/t

[canadianbeaver]

9. Feed the rats please......k&r...n/t

[L. Coyote]

11. debating amendments now, Orin Hatch supports "bi-partisan immunity provision"

What a crock! "bi-partisan immunity provision"

now on bulk collections

[canadianbeaver]

14. Thanks so much......you really do rock!!

appreciated!

[L. Coyote]

10. kicking this and wish I was kicking something else

[malaise]

17. Feingold is on fire n/t

[L. Coyote]

13. "some believe"

As Hatch speaks, I get the feeling that we are hearing the minutae of rationalizations that goes into crafting a fascist state within the confines of a legislative democracy!

[malaise]

15. Whitehouse up now

Fugg Hatch.

[malaise]

16. I love Whitehouse

Batten down that hatch Sheldon

[VP505]

18. Yep Feingold

telling it like it is, "Give them a get out of jail card for ignoring the law in the past", well said Russ!

[malaise]

19. He was great

Dodd up now.

There's a thread with a link stating that Leahy will support Dodd's filibuster.

[malaise]

21. Kick

Dodd is delivering a great speech

[VP505]

22. Dodd really

does a great job, I hope he gets the support he deserves on this. Leahy joining him will really help.

[L. Coyote]

23. right on Russ

[L. Coyote]

24. Voting now.

[L. Coyote]

25. Emptywheel - » FISA Debate Liveblog

Emptywheel - » FISA Debate Liveblog
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/06/fisa-debate-liveblog-2/

[L. Coyote]

26. firedoglake - Firedoglake weblog » FISA Debate In Senate, Part VII

firedoglake - Firedoglake weblog » FISA Debate In Senate
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/24/fisa-debate-in-senate-part-vii/

[L. Coyote]

27. Crooks and Liars » FISA Debate Open Thread

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/11/fisa-debate-open-thread/

[L. Coyote]

28. VIDEO: FISA debate Jackson Lee

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x45444

[L. Coyote]

29. VIDEO: Senator Dodd quotes Glenn Greenwald on FISA

Senator Dodd quotes Glenn Greenwald on FISA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92757

[L. Coyote]

32. VIDEO: Mukasey: No, I Will Not Investigate BUSH Illegal Warrantless Wiretapping

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x91705

[L. Coyote]

34. VIDEO: Olbermann Tears Bush Another New One, This Time On FISA!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92793


Posted on YouTube: February 11, 2008

[L. Coyote]

54. VIDEO: Keith Olbermann Countdown Comment: On FISA, Telecom Immunity

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92820

[MiniMe]

30. Just joined

How is the vote going?

[MiniMe]

31. Is this the Judiciary version of the bill they are voting on?

[L. Coyote]

59. VIDEO: 2008.01.31 - Senator Harry Reid on the FISA Debate - Amendments to be Debated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92832

Found a Video with details.

[MiniMe]

33. The Maine girls votes Aye with the dems

Will wonders never cease. Hagel votes Aye also

[L. Coyote]

35. VIDEO: 2008.02.06 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse FISA Debate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92798

[L. Coyote]

37. 2008.02.06 Senator Specter FISA Debate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92800

[bdamomma]

38. thanks I am curious what my senator said.

[bdamomma]

36. they are voting on the Feingold-Webb Amendment and you

can hear those stupid repigs saying NO, Congress needs a cleaning out!!!!!!!!!!

[L. Coyote]

39. Eight amendments subject to up or down, simple majority votes.

"A Feingold-Webb amendment that prohibits the use of illegally obtained information. Bulk collection (Feingold): Requires the government to certify to the FISA Court that it is collecting communications of targets for whom there is a foreign intelligence interest."

FISA Fight: How's it playing in Kansas?
by mcjoan - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/4/125512/9429/979/449546
Mon Feb 04, 2008

Judging by this letter to the editor in the Topeka Capital-Journal, the FISA fight has reached the red states.

..........

debate on the FISA overhaul. So far the schedule of votes hasn't been determined, but the telco amnesty
 provisions will probably come tomorrow. As a reminder, here's what's coming in terms of amendments:

        * Four non-controversial amendments will pass on unanimous consent--they won't require a vote. These 
include Feingold's amendment requiring Congress see FISC rulings for the past five years, Whitehouse and 
Kennedy amendments allowing for acquisition to continue during government appeal and emphasizing prohibitions 
on domestic targeting, and a Bond amendment that eliminates a 7-day deadline for the FISC.
        * Eight amendments subject to up or down, simple majority votes.
              o Two from Bond, the most important one which does loosen current restrictions would allow 
                surveillance without a warrant in cases that involve the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
              o The critical telco amnesty amendment by Feingold/Dodd which strips the provision providing 
                 for telco amnesty from the current bill--this is going to get two hours of debate.
              o Whitehouse-Specter is the follow-up if Feingold-Dodd doesn't pass. It will also get two hours. 
                It substitutes the government for telcos being sued for their participation in the warrantless 
                wiretapping program, but only if the company is first determined by the FISA Court to have 
                cooperated with the Bush Administration reasonably and in good faith.
              o Three Feingold amendments that raise the bar for the government to prove that they are after 
                foreign intelligence and one that gives the FISC power to order surveillance stopped if the 
                government's application is deficient.
              o A Feingold-Webb amendment that prohibits the use of illegally obtained information. Bulk 
                collection (Feingold): Requires the government to certify to the FISA Court that it is 
                collecting communications of targets for whom there is a foreign intelligence interest.
        * Four amendments that require a 60 vote margin. These are Whitehouse's amendment on minimization, 
the process of weeding out data obtained about U.S. persons and destroying it. This amendment would grant 
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court the discretionary authority to not only approve minimization 
rules but to review their implementation. Two from Feinstein that allow FISC to review the AG's declaration 
that the telcos acted in good faith before they get their immunity and a second that makes FISA the exclusive 
means of foreign surveillance. Finally, Cardin has an amendment to sunset the law in four years as opposed to six.

Since I wrote that a few days ago, the status of the Feinstein amendment on exclusivity (making the FISA court 
the sole means of surveillance) has changed. This one could very likely get a simple majority of Senators, and 
would also very likely be a poison pill, forcing a Bush veto.

[L. Coyote]

40. VIDEO: 2008.02.06 Senator Jay Rockefeller FISA Debate

2008.02.06 Senator Jay Rockefeller FISA Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=385

[L. Coyote]

41. VIDEO: 2008.02.06 Senator Feingold FISA Debate I

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=385

[L. Coyote]

44. VIDEO: 2008.02.06 Senator Feingold FISA Debate II

2008.02.06 Senator Feingold FISA Debate II
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92807

[L. Coyote]

46. VIDEO: 2008.02.05 Senator Feingold FISA Debate I

2008.02.05 Senator Feingold FISA Debate I
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92809

[L. Coyote]

47. VIDEO: 2008.02.05 Senator Feingold FISA Debate II

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92810

[L. Coyote]

55. VIDEO: 2008.02.04 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse FISA Debate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92822

[L. Coyote]

58. VIDEO: 2008.02.04 Senator Harry Reid FISA Debate

2008.02.04 Senator Harry Reid FISA Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92831

[L. Coyote]

60. VIDEO: 2008.02.04 Senate FISA Debate I = Bond, Rockefeller, Feingold

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=385

[L. Coyote]

61. VIDEO: 2008.02.04 Senate FISA Debate II = Bond, Rockefeller, Feingold

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92835

[L. Coyote]

63. VIDEO: 2008.02.04 Senate FISA Debate III = Bond, Rockefeller, Feingold

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92836

[Mojorabbit]

65. Thank you so very much

for these videos.

[L. Coyote]

66. You are welcome. The voting is slow, so I'm filling in the moments posting to Videos on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=set_sort_key&forum=385¶m=mesg_date

[L. Coyote]

42. Amendment Failed. Coming to order again. Dodd up on next amendment.

[L. Coyote]

43. Voting on amendment to remove telecom immunity? right??

[Ellipsis]

45. Yup

[L. Coyote]

48. Confirmation appreciated. This one determines if Dodd will filibuster again!!

I'm rather certain. Any updates on that?

[sattahipdeep]

49. unchecked by its constitutional coequals.

JOHN DEAN

No presidency that I can find in history has adopted a policy of expanding
presidential powers merely for the sake of expanding presidential powers.
Presidents in the past who have expanded their powers have done so when
pursuing policy objectives. It has been the announced policy of the
Bush/Cheney presidency, however, from its outset, to expand presidential
power for its own sake, and it continually searched for avenues to do just
that, while constantly testing to see how far it can push the limits. I must add
that never before have I felt the slightest reason to fear our government.
Nor do I frighten easily. But I do fear the Bush/Cheney government (and
the precedents they are creating) because this administration is caught up in
the rectitude of its own self- righteousness, and for all practical purposes
this presidency has remained largely unchecked by its constitutional coequals.

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Testimony_of_John_Dean_on_censure_0331.html

[L. Coyote]

53. "to expand presidential power for its own sake" I doubt that. There is an agenda!

I believe the agenda is usually known as "overthrow" of democracy. These US persons specialized in that for decades in Latin America!

[L. Coyote]

50. Dodd Amendment failed. Immunity is still in the bill at this point.

[L. Coyote]

51. Feingold Amendment up now. Bulk collection prohibition.

[myrna minx]

52. Thanks. I'm late to the thread.

[L. Coyote]

56. Bond Amendment on WMD proliferation detection provisions.

[L. Coyote]

57. Passed on a voice vote.

[L. Coyote]

62. LIVE Feinstein speaking = on the amendment

"Important court have an opportunity court be able to review decisions"

Rs want this to be an Executive discretion, a take-over of Judicial powers.

[VP505]

64. Seems to be more than

a few Dem's voting with the RePukes.Disgusting!

[mod mom]

67. what the heck is up with them worrying about the poor telecoms?

[L. Coyote]

70. IF thrown out of courts, it covers up BUSH's felonious, illegal, unconstitutional wiretapping

[mod mom]

73. I really need to use the sarcasm notation

I meant it makes me sick...I believe it was Kit Bond that was talking about hurting profits. :mad:

The telecoms helped write the current laws. They should have been held responsible for their actions.

[L. Coyote]

68. VIDEO: Senator Chris Dodd Speaks Against Telecom Amnesty FISA Bill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92838

[L. Coyote]

69. VIDEO: Senator Chris Dodd Likens Telecoms/Bush Immunity to Nazi Nuremberg Defense

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92838

[L. Coyote]

71. Clerk reporting the amendment to bring cloture. "Will debate end?" motion.

yeas and nays mandatory, roll call vote.

[VP505]

72. I think it will,

I heard several of the sellouts, Feinstein, Lincoln, etc voting yea.

[L. Coyote]

74. Hooray for Senator Dodd. Church Committee How would they judge us?

[buzzard]

75. Can this Bill be stopped in any way?

[L. Coyote]

77. YES, it will be one way or another. Filibuster will not allow immunity

and then when the NO IMMUNITY bill goes to Bush, he will veto it to protect himself instead of reforming FISA!

[L. Coyote]

76. IF Retroactive immunity is granted, WILL YOU STILL RESPECT THE LAW?

I don't know why anyone should obey the laws of the United States wshen the powerful are immune to the rule of law!

[L. Coyote]

78. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) up now. Wants Immunity OUT!

[L. Coyote]

79. "Sophisticated equipment monitors all communications in real time" Cantwell

Speaking of what whistleblower, Mark Klein, reported.

[L. Coyote]

80. Quorum call now. Cantwell was GRRRREEAT.

[L. Coyote]

81. C-SPAN Featured Links = FISA Reauthorization

http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/issues/bills/?billnum=S.2248&congress=110&size=full

'An original bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, to modernize and streamline the provisions of that Act, and for other purposes. '
Bill # S.2248


Status:
10/26/2007: Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 453.
10/26/2007: Select Committee on Intelligence. Original measure reported to Senate by Senator Rockefeller. With written report No. 110-209. Additional and Minority views filed.
10/31/2007: Committee on the Judiciary. Hearings held.
11/01/2007: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary pursuant to section 3(b) of S.Res. 400, 94th Congres, as amended by S.Res. 445, 108th Congress, for a period not to exceed 10 days of session.
11/08/2007: Committee on the Judiciary. Date of scheduled consideration. SD-226. 10:00 a.m.
11/15/2007: Committee on the Judiciary. Date of scheduled consideration. SD-226. 10:00 a.m.
11/16/2007: Committee on the Judiciary. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.
11/16/2007: Committee on the Judiciary. Reported by Senator Leahy with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Without written report.
11/16/2007: Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 512.
12/14/2007: Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the measure presented in Senate.
12/14/2007: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate.
12/14/2007: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate.
12/17/2007: Cloture on the motion to proceed invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 76 - 10. Record Vote Number: 435.
12/17/2007: Motion to proceed to measure considered in Senate.
12/17/2007: Measure laid before Senate by motion.
01/22/2008: By Senator Leahy from Committee on the Judiciary filed written report. Report No. 110-258. Additional and Minority views filed.
01/23/2008: Considered by Senate.
01/23/2008: The committee substitute was modified by Unanimous Consent.
01/24/2008: Considered by Senate.
01/24/2008: Motion to table the committee substitute, as modified, agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 60 - 36. Record Vote Number: 2.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3909 Amendment SA 3909 proposed by Senator Feingold to Amendment SA 3911. To require that certain records by submitted to Congress.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Cloture motion on amendment SA 3911 presented in Senate.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3916 Amendment SA 3916 proposed by Senator Bond to Amendment SA 3909. Of a perfecting nature.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Amendment SA 3918 proposed by Senator Reid to language proposed to be stricken by amendment no. 3911. Relative to the extension of the Protect America Act of 2007.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Cloture motion on amendment SA 3918 presented in Senate.
01/24/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Amendment SA 3911 proposed by Senator Rockefeller. In the nature of a substitute.
01/25/2008: Considered by Senate.
01/25/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
01/25/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Considered by Senate.
01/25/2008: S.AMDT.3916 Considered by Senate.
01/25/2008: S.AMDT.3909 Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Cloture on amendment SA 3918 not invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 48 - 45. Record Vote Number: 4.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3916 Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3909 Considered by Senate.
01/28/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Cloture on amendment SA 3911 not invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 48 - 45. Record Vote Number: 3.
01/31/2008: Considered by Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3916 Considered by Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3960 Amendment SA 3960 proposed by Senator Reid for Senator Kennedy to Amendment SA 3911. To clarify that the authority under title VII of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 does not extend to purely domestic communications.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3960 Amendment SA 3960 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3945 Amendment SA 3945 proposed by Senator Reid for Senator Bond to Amendment SA 3911. To strike the time limitation for certain appeals.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3945 Amendment SA 3945 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3932 Amendment SA 3932 proposed by Senator Reid for Senator Whitehouse to Amendment SA 3911. To provide for implementation of an order pending appeal.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3932 Amendment SA 3932 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Proposed amendment SA 3918 withdrawn in Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3918 Considered by Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3916 Proposed amendment SA 3916 withdrawn in Senate.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3909 Amendment SA 3909 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.
01/31/2008: S.AMDT.3909 Considered by Senate.
02/04/2008: Considered by Senate. (CR S564-575, S575-580)
02/04/2008: S.AMDT.3915 Amendment SA 3915 proposed by Senator Feingold to Amendment SA 3911. To place flexible limits on the use of information obtained using unlawful procedures.
02/04/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate. (consideration: CR S564)
02/04/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Amendment SA 3979 proposed by Senator Feingold to Amendment SA 3911. (consideration: CR S568-574) To provide safeguards for communications involving persons inside the United States.
02/04/2008: S.AMDT.3930 Amendment SA 3930 proposed by Senator Cardin to Amendment SA 3911. (consideration: CR S574-575, S576-577; text: CR S574) To modify the sunset provision.
02/04/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Amendment SA 3920 proposed by Senator Whitehouse to Amendment SA 3911. (consideration: CR S564-568; text: CR S564) To provide procedures for compliance reviews.
02/05/2008: Considered by Senate.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3907 Amendment SA 3907 proposed by Senator Dodd to Amendment SA 3911. To strike the provisions providing immunity from civil liability to electronic communication service providers for certain assistance provided to the Government.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Considered by Senate.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3941 Amendment SA 3941 proposed by Senator Bond to Amendment SA 3911. To expedite the review of challenges to directives under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3938 Amendment SA 3938 proposed by Senator Bond to Amendment SA 3911. To include prohibitions on the international proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3930 Considered by Senate.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Considered by Senate.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3915 Considered by Senate.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3913 Amendment SA 3913 proposed by Senator Feingold to Amendment SA 3911. To prohibit reverse targeting and protect the rights of Americans who are communicating with people abroad.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3912 Amendment SA 3912 proposed by Senator Feingold to Amendment SA 3911. To modify the requirements for certifications made prior to the initiation of certain acquisitions.
02/05/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3907 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3915 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3941 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3938 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3930 Proposed amendment SA 3930, pursuant to the order of January 31, 2008, having failed to achieve the required 60 votes in the affirmative, was withdrawn in Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3930 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3930 Amendment SA 3930, pursuant to the order of January 31, 2008, having failed to achieve the required 60 votes in the affirmative, was not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 49 - 46. Record Vote Number: 7.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3927 Amendment SA 3927 proposed by Senator Specter to Amendment SA 3911. To provide for the substitution of the United States in certain civil actions.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3919 Amendment SA 3919 proposed by Senator Feinstein to Amendment SA 3911. To provide for the review of certifications by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3913 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3912 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
02/06/2008: S.AMDT.3910 Amendment SA 3910 proposed by Senator Feinstein to Amendment SA 3911. To provide a statement of the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance and interception of certain communications may be conducted.
02/07/2008: Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3907 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3910 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3941 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3941 Amendment SA 3941 as modified agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3938 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3927 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3919 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3915 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3915 Amendment SA 3915 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 40 - 56. Record Vote Number: 11.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3913 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3913 Amendment SA 3913 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 38 - 57. Record Vote Number: 12.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3912 Considered by Senate.
02/07/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: Cloture motion on the bill presented in Senate.
02/08/2008: Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3907 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3938 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3927 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3919 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3912 Considered by Senate.
02/08/2008: S.AMDT.3910 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3938 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3979 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3927 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3920 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3919 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3907 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3912 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3911 Considered by Senate.
02/11/2008: S.AMDT.3910 Considered by Senate.

[malaise]

85. Another useful link

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14557.html

[malaise]

82. Adding the Dodd link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2852646

[slipslidingaway]

84. Thanks too many threads :) n/t

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83. Thanks and kick n/t

[L. Coyote]

86. Comment at TPM: Dodd: It's up to The House = "single largest invasion of privacy in .. history ..."

Dodd: It's up to The House
By Paul Kiel - February 12, 2008, 2:54PM - http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/dodd_its_up_to_the_house.php

Speaking to a conference call of reporters this afternoon, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) said that, reflecting on the string of defeats in the Senate today, he thought the House was the best hope for stripping retroactive immunity from the final surveillance bill.

"We've lost every single battle we had on this bill .... We're not getting anywhere at all" he said. "The question now is can the House do better." After the bill passes in the Senate, as is expected late today or tomorrow, the bill would head to a conference. There, conferees from both houses will try to hash out the significant differences between the House and Senate versions, the issue of retroactive immunity chief among them.

However, Dodd said, if the final bill emerging from that powwow does contain retroactive immunity, he said he'd "absolutely" filibuster that bill; he'd use "whatever vehicles we can" to stop it.

The Senate had "just sanctioned" the "single largest invasion of privacy in the history of the country," he said.

[malaise]

87. Meanwhile M$M is giving us non-stop coverage of

the horse race. :puke:

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88. HELP....There will NOT be a Conference Committee?????

I remembered reading this at the time, but confess that I do not know all the rules. Can anyone shed additional light on the procedure going forward? Maybe something has changed since this was written?


http://cboldt.blogspot.com/2008/02/fisa-and-economic-stimulus.html

Monday, February 04, 2008

"After passage, the contents of S.2248 are substituted for the House's bill, H.R.3773, the RESTORE Act, and the Senate bill will be sent to the House in the vehicle of H.R.3773. The Senate has formally signaled that it will not request a conference with the House, to resolve differences. At this point of the process on the FISA bill, a conference request is premature because the House has yet to weigh in on the Senate's proposed legislation. While the two bills are different, the formality of disagreement is presently absent. See Riddicks - Conferences and Conference Reports, in particular pp 467-8, which describe the interaction between both chambers.

Looking ahead, neither chamber has an obligation to agree to a request for a conference, even if the other chamber makes such a request. Further auguring against a conference committee ever coming into being, insistence on its amendment and requesting a conference is a debatable motion in the Senate. Being debatable invokes the possibility of delay due to objection to voting, cloture, etc.

On the possibility that my "there will be no conference" prediction is in error, one might review the details of precedence of motions relating to matters passing between the two chambers. This parliamentary procedure is described in Riddicks Rules: Amendments Between Houses.

While the debate on FISA is sure to generate some heat, I think the outcome is foregone. For purposes of this page, I'm thinking to insert vote results in the list above rather than create a running commentary. The substantive debate will be repetitive of points previously asserted."

[L. Coyote]

89. I believe this will go to Conference. Anyone? Then votes in both chambers.

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92. Thanks for the reply and hope you are correct n/t

[L. Coyote]

90. TPM coverage today is good. LINK

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/

I'm checking out for a bit. If videos start appearing, do compile the links in this thread please.

[malaise]

91. Patrick Leahy speaking now n/t

[malaise]

93. This is great

Alice in wonderland stuff!!! Go Pat Leahy!!

[trashcanistanista]

94. The vote was expected at 4:00pm

It's passed that now.Are they going to run out the clock before holiday recess without a vote or will this go on all evening? Anybody know. Leahy is very good.

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98. I think I heard vote now at 5:30 n/t

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95. Glen Greenwald & FDL petition to House members...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/12/amnesty_day/index.html

"...UPDATE II: FDL has a petition, jointly sponsored by me, directed at House members, demanding that they reject this lawless, authoritarian Senate bill and defend their own, previously passed bill (the RESTORE Act). I encourage everyone to sign it. You can do so here..."


Petition link...
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/petition/RestoreFISA


"Tell House Members to Stand Firm Behind the RESTORE Act!

The FISA bill passed by the Senate is a disgrace. By legalizing warrantless spying on Americans and granting retroactive amnesty to lawbreaking telecoms, the Senate seeks to ensure that the Bush administration's illegal spying programs are never investigated or subjected to the rule of law. The Senate bill is a profound betrayal of the votes of millions of Americans who voted in 2006 to put Democrats in control of Congress in order to increase, not eliminate, checks and oversight on this administration, and to restore the rule of law to our country.
The House's RESTORE Act is an infinitely superior bill. It provides real safeguards on the President's spying powers while providing him with the surveillance powers he needs to protect the country. It enables the issue of the legality of the President's spying programs to be decided where it belongs -- in a court of law. And it preserves the crucial balance that has existed for decades between enabiling necessary surveillance on Americans and ensuring that our political leaders do not abuse that power.

In the wake of the discovery of the Watergate crimes and decades of surveillance abuses, the Congress of the mid-1970s acted on a bipartisan basis to put into place safeguards to ensure that even our highest political officials must adhere to the law and can only exercise eavesdropping powers with real safeguards. The RESTORE Act continues that tradition, while the Senate bill eviscerates it. We urge Democratic House members to stand firm behind the bill they passed and not capitulate once again to the bullying, manipulative demands of the Bush administration for ever-greater unchecked power, as embodied by the warrantless eavesdropping and telecom immunity provisions of the Senate bill."

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96. The Senate will get away with this crap until Americans

fill the streets outside the hallowed halls and demand that they stand up for the rights of citizens.

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101. Most people do not realize the significance of the rights that

are being given away, it's just become a battle of the parties :(

[malaise]

105. If half the people showing up at rallies

filled the capital, they'd get back their rights.

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104. People will fight back. Techies will tell us how to

override the surveilance and there will be a massive blockages of what they are trying to do. They won't even be aware of it until it is too late. Although I've lost optimism for our senators, I have faith in the ingenuity of the American people.

[trashcanistanista]

97. Done.

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99. Thank you, at least they know some are paying attention...

:shrug:

[malaise]

100. What's that music CSpan2 is playing

Even they are energized this afternoon.

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102. LOL. It probably has the word death or slaughter in the title :) n/t

[malaise]

103. Yah think

Sounds familiar -might be Tchaikovsky but I can't think of a title. I'm really not sure.

[trashcanistanista]

106. Today is Lincoln's Birthday.

How dare they pass this shit on Lincoln's birthday.

[malaise]

107. Rockefeller up now

lying his ass off and trying to get the vote going.
Karma awaits.

[malaise]

108. They don't care n/t

[L. Coyote]

109. Quorum Call over. Leahy is up. C-SPAN 2 link here.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[trashcanistanista]

110. No, I'm seeing

McConnell right now.

[L. Coyote]

111. Correct. Server went down, I returned and clicke repost.

[L. Coyote]

112. Quorum call now. This takes a while.

[L. Coyote]

113. Quorum dispensed with by unanimous consent. Kit Bond up. 4.5 minutes of time left.

[L. Coyote]

114. Sen. Bond just called the lawsuits against the telecoms "frivolous" My rights are NOT frivolous!

Why is spying on EVERYONE called the "President's terrorist surveillance program"?
I am not a terrorist, Mr. Bond, and ALL Americans cannot be presumed to be terrorists.

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115. I can't stand that man.

He would have been at home in the former soviet union.

[malaise]

116. Reid is voting against the bill

speaking now.

[Mojorabbit]

117. Pretty words from

Reid.

[trashcanistanista]

118. Afer he lumped all kinds of praise

onto Rockerfeller, *'s waterboy.

[malaise]

119. He said he's voting against it n/t

[trashcanistanista]

120. Reid will vote against it.

He's always said that. Not Rockerfeller,unless I missed it.

[trashcanistanista]

122. Voting now.

[L. Coyote]

121. There WILL BE a Conference Comm. if it passes the Senate. Reid.

[VP505]

123. Here it comes,

this is gonna hurt.....................

[Mojorabbit]

124. I can't believe Webb voted aye. n/t

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125. Feinstein no!

[trashcanistanista]

126. Webb I heard no, but

Whitehouse aye! Feinstein NO!

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127. Wow - I'm surprised.

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128. It will pass. So far 2 Dems AYE

Whitehouse and Rockerfeller.I expect Leiberman to be aye.

[Mojorabbit]

129. This is like a shell game

The vote that mattered was the immunity one and now that it has been stripped they can then vote against it knowing they will lose. They then get to say they voted against the bill. It makes me sick.

[malaise]

130. Has a single Rethug voted no? n/t

[trashcanistanista]

131. Not that I can tell. Hagel Aye, he would be the only one

maybe, Spector also Aye.

[VP505]

132. After all the rhetoric

from Senator smoke screen Specter about amnesty he votes yes, a-hole.

[trashcanistanista]

133. Same with Whitehouse, I'm a little shocked at him

maybe it was a mistake.

[malaise]

136. He never fails to talk big and then give Bush what he want

Fuck all of them.

[VP505]

134. Shit it passed

68 to 29.

[trashcanistanista]

135. For the record I did not hear Clinton or Obama's names

called for this vote.

[L. Coyote]

137. Feingold: My Hope Is with The House

Feingold: My Hope Is with The House
By Paul Kiel - February 12, 2008, 6:11PM - http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/feingold_my_hope_is_with_the_h.php

Some sharp words from Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI):

“The Senate passage of this FISA bill, while not surprising, is extremely disappointing. The Senate missed a golden opportunity to pass a bill that would give our intelligence officials the tools they need to go after suspected terrorists while also safeguarding the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Instead the Senate, with the help of too many Democrats, is yet again giving the administration sweeping new powers – and letting it off the hook for its illegal wiretapping program. I hope that our House colleagues will hold a stronger line, and refuse to accept the deeply flawed Senate bill. The calls from Americans tired of having their rights and their Constitution trampled on by this administration are only growing louder. Congress should stand up for the American people, and the Constitution, by opposing such a badly flawed bill.”

[Serial Mom]

141. My Senator - I am proud of him, but the others caved again!!

It's all about money to politicians!

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!

[L. Coyote]

138. TPM: Senate Passes Surveillance Bill = LIST of Dems voting for the bill 68-29

Senate Passes Surveillance Bill
By Paul Kiel - February 12, 2008, 5:56PM - http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/senate_passes_surveillance_bil.php

On a final 68-29 vote, the Senate just easily passed the surveillance bill with retroactive immunity for the telecoms intact. Once again, a large number of Dems crossed over.

Since most of the amendments that sought to add civil liberty protections to the bill were voted down, the bill that's emerging from the Senate is only a slight improvement of the administration's Protect America Act. As CQ reported this morning:

According to most experts and advocacy groups, the bill would only slightly rein in the new powers granted to the administration in the temporary law (PL 110-55).

The new bill would authorize the president to conduct warrantless surveillance of foreign targets even when they are communicating with someone in the United States.

Among the Dems voting for the bill were Sens. Jim Webb (D-VA), Kent Conrad (D-ND), Max Baucus (D-MT), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Evan Bayh (D-IN), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Bob Casey (D-PA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Tom Carper (D-DE), and Mary Landrieu (D-LA). Note: both Whitehouse and Baucus voted for the Dodd/Feingold amendment.

............

[L. Coyote]

140. VIDEO: Senator Dodd quotes Glenn Greenwald on FISA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x92757