I heard someone defend the waterboarding of prisoners because

[hedgehog]

"we got valuable information" that way.

If I was being waterboarded, I'd be willing to tell you that the moon is made of cheese. Just how valuable is that information?

[BOSSHOG]

1. Torture - a cherished conservative value

[ixion]

2. the only thing we've accomplished by torturing is making torture acceptable to countries

that like to torture.

The irony is that if an American were tortured in another country, these same people would be screaming bloody murder.

[fenriswolf]

3. numerous studies just tell him to do a goggle search

that coerced information is less then helpful, mostly because they use up valuable resources chasing wrong information.

[Orsino]

4. The idiots who bleat along with the torture champions...

...are no more aware of any "valuable information" thus obtained than we are. This is simply their coping mechanism.