Dems for McCain?

[DangerDave921]

I spoke with a good friend in CT last night. He supports Obama in the primary, but he said that if the general election comes down to Hillary versus McCain, he's going to vote for McCain. Just can't stand Hillary. He also voted for Lieberman over Lamont.

Are there a lot of Dems out there who will vote for McCain this November?

[El Pinko]

1. America has never had a shortage of stupid people...

...but this post is an obvious attempt to cast doubt on Hillary's electability and as such belongs in GDP.

[DangerDave921]

4. What are you talking about?

An obvious attempt to cast doubt? So you can look into my soul and determine my secret intentions? Can't I relate a conversation I had with a friend and ask a question?

OK -- I take it back. I never had any such conversation and will never ask any questions that even remotely touch on questions of Hillary's electability. :)

[El Pinko]

7. I'm not casting doubt on the veracity of the story.

I don't really care if it's true or not - it certainly qualifies as a story pushing "Hillary's negatives" and thus belongs in GDP.

In all seriousness, if your friend voted for Lieberman, who is not a democrat, and would vote for an extreme right-winger like McCain because of some visceral "dislike" for Hillary, he's either stupid, or he's smart, but putting zero thought into his voting choices. Or maybe he's one of those people who calls himself a democrat, but doesn't believe in any of the things democrats believe in or vote for democrats very much.

[DangerDave921]

11. Not trying to push anything

I'm only trying to discuss the issue of what moderate Dems are going to do if the choice comes down to Hillary or McCain. It's an exercise in political thought, that's all. Not trying to push for one candidate versus another. As for my friend, he's voted for every Dem candidate since he voted for Mondale. No exceptions. He doesn't really follow politics much. But his vote carries just as much weight as every other voter.

I would question some of your assertions. Lieberman is certainly a Dem, and an awful lot of Dems voted for him in CT (obviously since he won). And I don't think a lot of people see McCain as an "extreme right-winger" given his stance on immmigration, the Bush tax cuts, campaign finance, etc. I think folks see him as hawkish on the war, but more moderate on social issues. That's the appeal of him to moderates.

Like it or not, there are a bunch of wishy-washy people that make up the middle of the political spectrum. What those folks do is going to determine the election. So it's always a valid question to ask how they will see things come November.

[El Pinko]

12. Lieberman is NOT a democrat and has not been in several years.

He's an independent (calls himself an Independent Democrat), but he may as well be a republican.



Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, left, Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., second left, wife, Cindy McCain, second right, and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, right, listen as Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., center, responds to a question during a campaign stop in Hamilton, N.J., Monday Feb. 4, 2008


...and he's been trotting around the country campaigning for McCain the whole primary season. Some "democrat".



As for McCain

He's for lax border enforcement, which has been GOP policy for decades- they give lip service to the racists by scapegoating illegals, while allowing them into the country because they're cheap labor. Reagan gave millions of them amnesty.

McCain wants to extend the tax cuts to the rich indefinitely - how is that not right-wing?

He's cozied up to Pat Robertson in in the last couple years, so his position on social issues is dubious as well.

He's basically promised to never bring back the jobs lost to outsourcing and to keep us in Iraq for 100 years.


If McCain is moderate, I'd hate to see right-wing. I think he'd be even worse than Bush.

[blondeatlast]

16. "I think he'd be even worse than Bush." Take it from one who's been represented by him his entire

political career from his stint in the House until now--you are spot on.

No priniples, no ideas, and so desperate to be president he'll do exactly as his handlers (and they will be neocons) tell him to.

Worse than Bush? Normally I wouldn't think that was possible, but in McCain's case, I believe it sincerely.

[bryant69]

20. I am pretty sure that if McCain does get the nomination, LIeberman will speak at the convention

The Republican Convention.

As for McCain, I think it depends; clearly he and Bush are peas in a pod except on a few issues (McCains stance on Torture is a rare bright spot), but I don't think he will have as quiet a congress as Bush did, and he'll probably pay them more attention. So given a free head I think McCain would be as bad or worse than Bush, I doubt he'll have a free head.

That said, I'd much rather see Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in that position.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[liberal N proud]

2. Voted for Lieberman - Case closed

[blondeatlast]

8. Exactly. nt

[Rockholm]

25. Double exactly.

Can't wait until the Democrats have a real working majority in the Senate. Then they can tell LIEberman to go fuck himself.

[baldguy]

3. Some people will believe all the lies the MSM & the VRWC will supply.

& they've been supplied a lot of lies about the Clintons over the last 20 yrs.

[sendero]

5. We are going to lose a lot of votes..

... to McCain, folks here don't see it because they find him disgusting (as do I) but the Average American still buys into his straight-talk maverick image.

Yes, McCain is our nightmare in the general. I think we can win, but it won't be a cake walk.

[vi5]

6. I find the same thing....

The people I know of aren't die hard democrats per se but they do lean democratic and most of them voted for Gore in 2000 and/or Kerry in 2004. They buy in to the myth of McCain as an honest, straight shooting maverick type, and they just don't trust Hillary. It's ridiculous. Even if I'll have an incredibly hard time voting for Hillary if she's the nominee I'd still never vote for McCain or any republican in a million years.

[Snarkturian Clone]

9. Someone I work with said the same. NT

[blondeatlast]

10. Some Democrat he is. I've got more imprtant things to fret over--like whether the coffee pot is on.

:eyes:

[Red Zelda]

13. McInsane is worse than Bush

The word must be spread before this militaristic thug with no brain is elected.

[blondeatlast]

17. Thank you! I'm going to start noting who besides me believes this

just in case he gets the WH (God help us, NO!)

He will be--and I fully intend to trumpet "I told you so" to everyone I encounter who can't believe that worse than Bush is possible.

It very sadly is possible and it's limping it's way to the WH now.

[El Pinko]

18. Agreed. I think he'd make us look upon the last 8 years with nostalgia.

As bad as Bush is, I think McCain would be so very much worse.

[Red Zelda]

21. He is very dangerous

No knowledge of economics. No interest in infrastructure. No vision. No connection to anything real. And his ads are nothing but militarism, the kind so many dimwitted Americans like to masturbate to. This 100-year-old shitstain will be your next president. He is already being anointed by the M$M. Meet the next Zachary Taylor. God help us all.

[spanone]

14. NO 'democrat' would vote for mccain...if they do, they are republicans

[aikoaiko]

15. Yes, but there are many who will be motivated by the first woman, first African-American factors too

Sure there are Democrats who will prefer McCain to Clinton and Obama, but I'm sure they will be outnumbered by supporters.

[alarimer]

19. I know people who might sit out rather than vote for her

But I don't think they'd vote for McCain instead. I wouldn't.

[endarkenment]

22. Doesn't this belong in GD:P?

"He also voted for Lieberman over Lamont." - oh, so he is a republican.

[blondeatlast]

24. Exactly. nt

[Virginia Dare]

23. Oh yes, the Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller "Democrats"...

in other words repubs who are too ashamed to admit what they are.

[KharmaTrain]

26. They Aren't Democrats To Start With

If, after 7 years of non-stop corruption, war and lies, this person is still willing to vote for a repugnican...even McCain...he never really intended to vote for a Democrat in the first place and looking for a convenient excuse. I see these people, too, and don't waste my time on them.

McCain will have a lot of troubles holding his own party together. He lost every important Red state and there's no way he'll carry Illnois, New York or California no matter who the candidate is. Democrats have been out-voting the GOOPers 2 to 1 in the primaries...including in such red states as Georgia and Alabama. McCain may get 5% of the "independents"...but he'll be losing 15% of his own party's base...compared against a very energized Democratic party...no matter who the candidate is.

I'm just waiting on Ron Paul...his third party bid should appear any day now.

[DangerDave921]

27. waste time?

This guy has been my best friend for nearly 25 years. So of course I'm going to waste my time on him. We just don't talk politics much.

[lutefisk]

28. Right-wingers call McCain a liberal and Jon Stewart likes him

So, of course (many?) Democrats and independents will vote for that unstable old coot.

I think right-wing criticism of McCain as a liberal is very calculating. This strategy will work against Clinton or Obama.