Joe Biden Gave THE REAL Democratic Response

[KingOfLostSouls]

while on with K.O. and tweety


good lord, that was awesome.


that was the REAL democratic response. not this namby pamby bullshit about, "mr president, please work with us."

biden: "I'd never seen a more delusional speech in my life. and I've seen plenty."



can we still trade in the three late models with durability problems for the good old american iron which will run forever?

[ginnyinWI]

1. I loved seeing him there tonight

Good old Joe, telling it like it is.

[Muttocracy]

2. do-over? it's 8 months til the election... :-( n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

3. seriously

joe just made everyone, AS USUAL, look like amateurs.


jesus christ, seriously. I mean, yeah all three of our front runners are leagues better than the republicans but still.

biden is head and shoulders on top of that even.

I can never help but smile, laugh, and cheer whenever I hear biden. he makes you proud to be a democrat

[grasswire]

4. no kidding

Plus, he shot Tweety down when Tweety was talking about people with wealth worrying about the DOW and the economy. He said that on the block where he grew up, people were just worrying about paying their bills.

Biden-Edwards. THAT would be a ticket for the American people.

[KingOfLostSouls]

7. yeah that was awesome

I love joe's candor. he doesn't let the talking heads try to frame the debate for him

he knows how to work them over


god I was hoping to see him tear about the republican nominee in the general. I'm sorry, I like barack but I don't wanna make nice with republicans.

goddamn why did people have to pass up on the grown up.

[bdamomma]

37. that would have been great.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Biden Edwards, that would great.

[Muttocracy]

6. yep. his campaign made me care about politics for the first time in a long time n/t

[L. Coyote]

5. He is the one tonight that sounds like a candidate still.

[KaryninMiami]

8. Sorry I missed it- anyone have link? Would love to watch. NT

[Muttocracy]

11. link up now!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

[gateley]

15. Thanks for the link! God, it'll be good to hear Joe again --

and it sounds like in good form! :hi:

[Muttocracy]

16. but after the end I want to cry

:cry: :cry:

[democrat2thecore]

19. Matthews thanked Biden for running - seemed heartfelt. -nt

[Jennifer C]

24. Excellent!!

Thank you :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

27. thanks

Biden was great. Tweety's fake laughter at the end was ridiculous.

[bdamomma]

40. oh thanks for that, oh, that was my first candidate

:cry: I would have loved to see him sitting behind that desk. What a good guy he is.

[Yael]

43. Thanks! I love me some Joe.

He rocked it last night. Appreciate the link to watch again.

THAT was the real Democratic response.

:applause:

[Neshanic]

9. He sure did. He is good at nailing them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. He did good point by point and that is what

the responser did not do, but Nancy and Harry would never chose him.

[democrat2thecore]

12. God he's good. Joe should be the next president, but it's not to be. -nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. Biden isn't perfect

But I have to say that I like him more than the 3 candidates we have left. He has a command of the facts and issues and is very good on his feet. I don't think either Hillary, Barack, or John have his knowledge of foreign affairs. I didn't like his idea of splitting Iraq into 3 autonomous regions but at least he was trying to come up with specific solutions, whereas the remaining three candidates are vague, vague, vague on what they intend to do.

[Muttocracy]

14. my personal politics are more liberal than Biden...

but I believed (1) he's honest and tells you what he's thinking (2) he knows his stuff (3) he knows how to get stuff done (4) he would have won the general election easily (5) he would have done a great job training a younger VP and we could have had Dems for 16 years.

His plan for Iraq is mainly to follow their existing constitution, and it's the only thing I've heard that will work.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. Several times I heard him promoting the idea of dividing Iraq into 3 autonomous zones

Sunnis in the west, Shiites in the south and east, and Kurds in the north. Baghdad would be some kind of intersection of the zones. Is that part of Iraq's Constitution? If so, I didn't realize it.

[Muttocracy]

22. yes, as posted below

it's to be states in a federal system

split the oil revenue across the whole nation, federal control of border with other nations, but let local groups decide social issues .... http://planforiraq.com/

and it doesn't have to be 3 - could be 6 or 9 or whatever

[KingOfLostSouls]

17. its a federalisation plan

not splitting the country up.

its 3 seperate states with a centralized federal government. so three ethnic regions, supported by a central government to keep a Iraq nation together.

kinda like the united states, heh.

I know, thats not the way the spin was played out by people who didn't want biden to win, but thats the real truth.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

23. I don't believe I stated that he wanted to split the country up

His plan for 3 autonomous zones as I recall his descruption of it is very similar to what you described. I congratulate him on trying to come up with a specific solution, where the other Dem candidates have not offered clear solutions themselves. My problem with Biden's plan is that it may not be what Iraqis want. I think it would be best to let the Iraqis decide their fate all by themselves, just as Americans decided their own fate when we formed a nation. Iraqis no longer have Saddam and so should iron out their own problems of nationhood and we shouldn't be there telling them what kind of nation to have, or whether they should even want to keep one nation together.

[Muttocracy]

25. quote from Albright and others...

from the plan for iraq site I noted above -

Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "he idea of the... constitution of Iraq written, which allows for and mandates, in fact, a great deal of regional autonomy, is appropriate."

Muwaffaq al-Rubaie, National Security Advisor of Iraq: "I don't think Senator Biden has said that Iraq should be divided into three sections. What I think -- and I can't agree more with Senator Biden and his article, and I think he is a very well-informed person. What we are talking here -- and he's talking about Iraqi constitution. The constitution of Iraq has said very clearly that you can form provinces, regions, federal -- this is a democratic federal system, and any two or three or nine or 10 provinces can get together and form a region, and form a federal unit. And this is exactly what Joseph Biden is saying, or I believe when I read his article... I think Biden's idea is a good idea, with some modification because it's very compatible with our permanent constitution, which was ratified on the 15th of October last year."

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

28. If it's their own decision, then the plan is fine with me

But I do question whether the leadership of Iraq, with the continuing American presence, can even implement in their Constitution what the people want. I think the flow of dollars into their government (and into the pockets and coffers of certain leaders) is affecting the actions of the heads of Iraq's government. And supervising and implementing the creation of a certain kind of federalism to me means that American forces have to stay there for however long that plan requires. Maybe leaving Iraq early allows Iran or internal warlords to fill the vaccuum, but again I think the Iraqis need to decide these issues entirely by themselves without U.S. influence. If it leads to greater civil war, that's the decision of their people to make, not us. But then again if we just get more continued U.S. presence with Obama and Clinton, Biden's plan looks better and better (and I'm not sure I trust either Obama or Clinton to completely withdraw all troops).

[Muttocracy]

29. Biden never just said "troops out within year" because it's not possible

physically to move all of them out unless we leave everything behind. At least, none of them ever managed to justify their ideas when Joe pointed this out in debates.

If Bush et al had a clue they would be starting Biden's plan now. I never wanted us in Iraq at all. But if we don't leave it sensibly, it will be another Afghanistan or something.

As Joe often said, he doesn't like the fact his son (DE Atty General, volunteer for National Guard) is going to Iraq later this year. But he really doesn't want his grandsons and granddaughters going.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. He he he ......

..... good ol' Joe! Gotta love the guy.

I wish he'd stayed in the race longer.

[eridani]

21. Better than that crack about Giuliani, even. n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

26. "the (p)resident was A.W.O.L."

joe's words.

as usual, telling it like it is.

[bdamomma]

41. that made me smile when he said that.

oh, I wish things would have been different for him. All the knowledge and expertise Joe has, he would have been great.

[gamblingisforlosers]

30. Gotta Love Ol' Joe

Especially his overall analysis of chimp-y's speech: "I found it the most disengaged speech I've ever heard, in a SOTU, and I've heard a bunch of 'em"

Here's to YOU, Joe :patriot:

[leftcoastie]

31. WOW

That was the worst Democratic response I have ever seen (I'm 53). The Kansas governor may be a fine person and govenor. But that was lame...I hate Bush and almost never watch him except at the SOTU but I had to leave the room when the response came on.

We need fighters, not appeasers. I smelled DLC in there.

[Kat45]

32. It continues to make me sad that he's no longer in the race.

We NEED someone like him in the White House.

[pinto]

33. He was very good, no? Right on.

[goodgd_yall]

34. Oh, but tha's so divisive.

:crazy:

[blondeatlast]

35. A candidate could get my vote right this moment by naming Biden as their SoS.

Or, dare I say it, VP? A Veep can hit the Coongress harder than the prez can with fewer consequences...

[bdamomma]

36. Joe Biden straight and to the point!!!!

[spanone]

38. yes, he said bu$h* was completely out of touch with reality...putting it mildly

[ThomWV]

42. Here is a link to the You-Tube copy of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zAIoVWeoKk

[ailsagirl]

44. "devoid of reality" and "disengaged" and "dream world"