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[madfloridian]

[rocktivity]

1. CUE THE VONAGE THEME!

Thank goodness common sense (triggered by a little public scrutiny, perhaps?) prevailed!

:woohoo:
rocknation

[madfloridian]

3. I just saw it on local news last night.

That post was the 18th. I missed that for sure.

Glad someone was on it....thanks.

[Solo_in_MD]

47. Actually some sort of justice seems to have prevailed

- The perp admitted what she did
- Perp was unable to make bail
- Jury convicted (felony) for which the minimum time is two years
- Judge overode sentencing guidelines in the interest of justice to make it time served and $1000 fine. He could not as a matter of law set aside the felony conviction.

The other point that just came out is that the perp has an outstanding warrant from another state for a bad check so is not going home right away.

[rocktivity]

53. The conviction was never the issue, just the appropriate punishment

Two years of hard time, plus whatever the state would have to shell out to care for her three children, just didn't make sense legally or financially. Had it not been for the bad check charge, she would have been in a position to get a job (accessible by public transportation, of course), work off the fine and keep caring for her children. I hope she didn't have to write the check because her husband's military pay was coming in too slowly.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Madspirit]

2. Give me a Break

She didn't just throw it out the window. She threw it in someone else's car and hit the driver. She could have caused an accident. I am really glad she was spared jail time and she shouldn't have been in jail for a month but it wasn't exactly as you painted it, either. She is not an Innocent. I am glad no prison but please, people need to get a grip on their bad selves when behind the wheel of a 3000 pound weapon.
Lee

[madfloridian]

4. .

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[Madspirit]

11. What did you do?

Just read the sentences in my post that suited you. I said two or three times I didn't think the jail time is right.

You seem more clever if you actually respond to what is written.
Lee

[madfloridian]

19. .

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[Solo_in_MD]

34. No, just reading comprehension imparied

[Madspirit]

52. I apologize

You did misread my post but I didn't have to bring out the Uzis. Sorry about that.

I'm really scared of road rageful people and I don't want some lady throwing a cup into my face while I drive. As I said though, I don't think she should do jail time. I do think people should be prosecuted to some extent for road rage and their punishment should be determined by the results of their behavior. No one was really hurt and she's sorry. Community service is fine but what if someone had died. People die in road rage attacks all the time. More people are killed on the roads every year than American soldiers were killed in Viet Nam.
People are getting fucking crazy and it's scary and dangerous.
Lee

[Solo_in_MD]

5. Turns out she is also wanted for passing a bad check in another state

So she is not headed for freedom anytime soon.

[sandnsea]

7. Ooooh, she bounced a check!!!

The horror!! God I can't stand self-righteousness.

[Solo_in_MD]

14. I assume you mean your self-righteousness, for which there is an excellent solution

All I did was point out, as I saw in a thread here yesterday, that there is a warrant out for her in another state and that she would not be getting out, despite the judge imposing a punishment of a fine with time served, which I happen to agree with.

As for your self-righteousness issue, set an example for the repukes and consider seppuku...

[madfloridian]

21. I'm self-righteous?

Look in the mirror.

[Solo_in_MD]

30. Quite

your manufactured outrage when all I did was echo facts without judgement.

[madfloridian]

8. She's a scary bad person who must be jailed for life.

I mean close to two months in jail...a hubby in a 3rd term in Iraq, and 3 small children.

That bad lady, we need to lock her up and throw away the key.

I see a whole other culture here at DU now.

[Solo_in_MD]

13. And just where did I say that she should be in jail? I was stating what was in another thread

here at DU. That there is a warrant out for her arrest in another state. Nothing more...

[sandnsea]

6. She should never have been in jail

I can't believe this country. How can people be so hateful and seem to get a thrill over locking people up. It's fine to charge her for something, but she should have been released OR and that IS what would have happened almost everywhere west of the Mississippi. Racism. Pure and simple, as far as I'm concerned.

[madfloridian]

9. Amen.

:hi:

[Solo_in_MD]

18. Which jurisdiction give OR to an out of state resident with a felony charge?

I have stated previously that I think the felony charge was over the top, even though as a motorcyclist I often get things lobbed at me from frustrated cagers.

[sandnsea]

39. It shouldn't have been a felony

This simply would not have happened to any white woman nearly anywhere in this country. It happened to this woman because she was young and black. Throwing a cup of ice at someone is not the end of the world.

In addition, my husband rode motorcycles for years. Nobody EVER threw anything at him and he wasn't all that safe a rider himself. I suggest that if this is happening to you on such a regular basis, you might want to look at your own riding habits. Perhaps YOU are the reckless missile out there that is going to get somebody else killed.

[Solo_in_MD]

42. I agree that it should not have been a felony

Can't speak to the race angle. The arresting officer and the victims race has not been identified in anything that I have read. IT was not raised by the perp or her lawyer either.

As for having things thrown at me , I have been riding for 35 years. Its only in the last 5 that MC riders have really become targets. There was always the occasional asshole, and its worse around schools and in traffic. I commute on one daily unless there is ice and snow on the ground.

In CA we are allowed to lane split, which has always annoyed cagers. Then again, there are ways of dealing with that too.

[pitohui]

20. i want people who assault me to go to jail

if you want to give people a pass who assault you, fine, don't press charges

she threw cold ICE onto the driver of another vehicle, it's a miracle that the driver wasn't seriously hurt, i might not have been able to maintain control of my vehicle in such a circumstance

we're not saying send her away for 20 years but a month in jail for felony assault is very, very mild

[Solo_in_MD]

26. I'm a MC rider and regularly get things thrown my way or other agressive action taken

Even so, I think a felony conviction is over the top. Misdemeanor conviction, a fine, and community service seem more appropriate to me.

MC riders are much more at risk of getting hurt than drivers when we are pelted with objects. However, we can also return fire so to speak and evade much easier.

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Solo_in_MD]

40. I am genuinely surprised at the east vs west distinction you make

I tend to think as the west, particularly the SW as being much less forgiving. Then again, my focus is the south west places like Arizona and self styled Sheriff Joe rather than the NW like Seattle. I would have expected more compassion in the east. Stafford County is somewhat rural, volunteer fire departments etc, which I would think of as being less harsh

[madfloridian]

10. Ooh, ooh, I can't wait to see how the rest of this thread develops.

:think:

[MethuenProgressive]

12. "throwing a McDonald's cup with ice in it out of her car window"??

You make it sound like she was just littering!!
Some one could've died, she's lucky no one did.
No sympathy from me. She's an idiot.

[Hav]

17. .

To her defense, I read the other thread and apparently it was slow traffic but yeah, one still could have been hurt and one has to be pretty crazy to do something like that.
Maybe the fact that she has to care for her 3 kids while she has to worry about her husband every day explains what her daily life must be like.

[madfloridian]

24. She's crazy. Lock her up for life.

.

[Hav]

31. .

Please stop with this BS where you pretend that people said something when it's clear that they did not just because it makes it easier for you to. You did the same with Madspirit and that's just a cheap tactic.
Where did I say that one should lock her up for life? I didn't say that and I don't believe that, neither do I think she should have been in jail for a month.

[Solo_in_MD]

41. Its her pattern and not limited to just this thread

[madfloridian]

22. Wow.

I can't wait to see the rest of it.

[pitohui]

15. she could have killed someone

do you understand that throwing cold ice into the open window of my car while i'm driving could cause me to swerve and perhaps to be seriously injured or even killed?

what she committed was the felony known as assault, the jail time (only 1 month) was pretty fair if you ask me

don't throw things at people should have been something she learned in kindergarten, i'm just glad a serious accident wasn't caused by her assholery

her husband's presence in iraq is irrelevant, you don't get a free pass on assault because of your husband's noble actions, poor man is probably glad to be out of the house

[madfloridian]

16. Should we lock her up and throw away the key?

And I guess you thought this woman deserved to be jailed as well.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1011

[Nikki Stone1]

23. No. I saw someone throw a hamburger (no shit!) at someone's windshield and

then follow the person for a few miles. I called the cops but they did nothing. Of course the guy who threw the hamburger was young, white and an asshole.

[pitohui]

28. yes i know what you're talking about

it's infuriating when assault, stalking, etc, are treated as trivia

i don't take assault lightly and i don't think the cops should either

the 1 month sentence for the felony assault was fair if not mild

the cops just blowing off the driver you saw being stalked -- that is just wrong

we all deserve to feel safe in society and not have psychotic assholes throwing things at us, especially while we're in traffic

[pitohui]

25. no but 1 month in jail for felony assault is a very light sentence

i'm going to assume that the lady was white

[Solo_in_MD]

37. I should not have been a felony

and I say this a motorcyclist who gets stuff lobbed in my direction on the road, which is to say I have been assaulted in a similar fashion.

The perp was black. She has another warrant out for her arrest on a bad check charge in another state.

[madfloridian]

27. I am going to alert on this thread to have the mods lock it.

You guys are scaring me about the future of this country.

[pitohui]

32. i've been an assault victim, have you?

assault is not cute, it isn't funny, and it isn't excused because you popped out 3 babies or happen to be married to somebody who is actually decent even if you're not

assault people, go to jail, needs to happen more often

[Solo_in_MD]

33. Cute considering how much of this you personally stirred up by assuming things that were not said.

Locking would leave your insults and other tripe unchallenged. How noble of you

[madfloridian]

duplicate

[madfloridian]

29. Mods, please lock.

.

I sent a note about it.

[madfloridian]

35. I deleted it....

because I can't believe the police punishment mindset now.

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Because some people disagree with you?

Please don't get so mad you throw a cup full of ice through my car window!:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

43. Drat

I always miss the good stuff.

[The Straight Story]

45. It's just now getting good

An op with nothing in it and the thread gets more replies than many politics threads :)

How far can it go?

I think I need to K&R it!

[madfloridian]

46. It was the woman jailed since Jan 4 until Wed.

for throwing a cup of ice from McDonalds out the car window. I was already very upset after this today in a paper....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1105

today I saw that the woman whose husband is in Iraq and has 3 small children was allowed out of jail...given 5 years probation.

She has a felony on her record now. I think it speaks to becoming a police state, but people jumped on me for defending her.

I asked them to lock, because arguing won't help.

It is like the time I posted about the police here pumping about 100 bullets into one man. It was defended here as necessary.

I should have known not to post it. I was happy for the woman,since she most definitely served her time. It just scared me to see those who thought she deserved the jail time.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. For The Record:

She deserved jail time AND there was ZERO wrong with what the cops did in pumping 100 bullets into the bastard.

Methinks you defend the wrong people, but to each their own opinion.

[Pastiche423]

51. It's a whole different mindset here now

than it was just a few years ago, madf. Please try to ignore them. It isn't worth the breath it takes to respond to them.

Btw, I agree w/you. It is getting scarier by the day here in 'Merka.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. If You Can't Take The Heat, You Probably Shouldn't Post Threads At All.

For the record, it is extremely dangerous and reckless to throw things at drivers while they're driving. That's why like, ya know, we have laws against it and stuff.

And I found your comparison above via link to that other woman in your journal to be hilariously ignorant.

[madfloridian]

48. I am hilariously ignorant. But I know when my country is damaged beyond repair.

But I know when my country is damaged. And when people at this board think a woman with 3 kids and a husband in Iraq needs to jailed for almost two months....then it tears me up inside.

You guys go for it, have fun because I cared about a black woman sitting in jail for so long for no good reason.

And to people who think that throwing ice out of a car window when traffic is barely moving is enough to put a felony on a record...they should realize that is the legacy of Bush in this country.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. You Say For No Good Reason. There Was A Good Reason. You're Refusing To See It. Seems To Me, That

you are refusing to do so based solely on her color, or at least that's the vibe I just got from your post.

She threw an object at a driver in a moving vehicle. That's absolutely anti-social behavior and something that deserves punishment. Maybe 2 months is a little much, but I find your insinuation that she's some sort of innocent victim to be ridiculous. There are people of all colors in jail for far less aggressive behavior. Are you defending them too? Would you be defending this woman in the same ways if she were white? If not, why not?

[Moderator]

54. Locking

This has turned into a flamewar