Terry McAuliffe won three presidential elections, Dean won 0

[Proud2BAmurkin]

as DNC chair/top fundraiser. I like both but Terry Mc has a better record.

Last 3 Democratic presidential victories were DLC. They have their role to play.

[havocmom]

1. Don't suppose candidates have anything to do with that record?

Or machines that vote for you?

Terry Mc? Won't send a dime to a DNC headed by him again

[KittyWampus]

21. McAuliffe did SQUAT about electronic voting. Totally ignored it.

[beachmom]

2. What? What are you trying to count 2000 in there, when McAwful

didn't bother to secure the election?

The guy has lost 2000,2002, and 2004. He's an idiot, and I have something on par of ZERO respect for him.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. Why blame DNC chair for RePUKE theft? Gore won

Gore won

[americanstranger]

12. Before Terry became DNC chair. n/t

[blm]

15. I blame DNC chair for NOT SECURING election process even after 2000 proved

that the election gets stolen at county and precinct levels when there is no strong party infrastructure in place to guard against it and counter the tactics they use to suppress votes and purge vopter rolls.

The Dem nominee TAPS INTO the structure that is in place by the National Party. Dems aren't supposed to WAIT and see who becomes the nominee and THEN try building a strong infrastructure by election day.

Remember the hearings on 2000 election fraud? Remember the DNC's Office of Voter Integrity that was put in place to ASSURE Democratic voters and candidates that there votes would not get purged, suppressed or stolen?

HOW DID THAT OFFICE OF VOTER INTEGRITY DO THOSE FOUR YEARS?

[fishwax]

20. Gore won, yes, but McAuliffe wasn't chair

so one shouldn't give him credit, either.

[americanstranger]

8. He didn't become DNC chair until 2001!

See my post elsewhere in this thread.

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[Adenoid_Hynkel]

11. Terry wasn't DNC chair in 2000

the poster who created this thread is clueless.

[americanstranger]

4. With all due respect, that can't be right.

From Wikipedia:

In February 2001, McAuliffe was elected as the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Under Chairman McAuliffe’s tenure, for the first time in Party history, the DNC was debt-free and outraised the RNC. The DNC shattered all fundraising records by raising over $535 million.

If he became DNC chair after Bush was selected, how could he have won 3 elections?

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[Adenoid_Hynkel]

5. McAulliffe was DNC chair from 2001-2005

There were two elections in that period.

He lost the presidential in '04.
and his 'don't rock the boat' strategy gave dems losses in both houses of congress in '02

Dean has served from '05 to present
There's been one election
Dems gained in both houses. No Dem. incumbent lost a seat in congress. Dems gained governorships. Dems gains staehouses.

It was a lanslide. I rest my case.

[Blue-Jay]

9. Truth.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. Ok but Clinton's top fundraiser before

and advisor

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

23. oh-so now you want to include terry's lower positions as well

do we get to include dean's?

also-you are aware that dean hasn't faced a presidential election as dnc, aren't you?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. Include Dean's. The point isn't to dis Dean it's that McA was a success

undeniable success

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

26. oh yeah-he lost seats in both houses in '04, too

i forgot to mention that

he lost very national election as dnc chair. he's a failure.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

29. Who said Dean is a failure? I said Mc was a success

:shrug:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

45. Then why say Dean has won 0 when he hasn't been chair during one?

You were implying something, lad.

Why don't you just admit you botched the premise and you didn't check when DNC history? We're a forgiving lot.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

49. Because the post is a response to latest anti McA eruption

Which never have a basis in reality

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

57. you're one to talk about reality-your premise went down the memory hole

Dean' record > Terry's failures.
It's simple math.

[dsc]

37. even that isn't right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McAuliffe

You will see from this entry that McAuliffe was in charge of the Democratic Congressional fundraising and didn't run any Clinton financing until 1996. But, of course that isn't what you said.

[Blue-Jay]

42. In other words, you made a bad comparison.

DNC wins under McAuliffe compares to DNC wins under Dean = Dean's strategy works.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

48. No, comparison shows McA was a success not a failure

As was DLC for last 3 Democratic presidential victories

[Blue-Jay]

52. What are you comparing to what?

I'm curious.

Obviously you're not taking into account the largest mid-term win for Democrats in recent history.

You probably should quit (and also quit editing your OP) while you're behind.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

60. Comparing success with an unknown. Point being McA was a success

for Democrats

[Blue-Jay]

73. Success in the 2006 mid-terms is an "unknown"?

I'm afraid that I'm missing your point.

[ProSense]

32. McAwful was heavily involved in 2000

Chairman of the 2000 Democratic National Convention, Terry McAuliffe has been President Clinton's and the Democratic Party's premier political fund-raiser. He served as national co-chairman and national finance chairman for Clinton-Gore '96. Before that, McAuliffe was national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

link

[Proud2BAmurkin]

74. which we won

.

[ProSense]

81. Except for those hanging chads

and lousy party infrastructure in Florida that left election exposed because of 500 plus lousy votes and vote suppression.

[blm]

6. Do you have a cite for that? I'd certainly like to see it.

.

[dsc]

7. No McAuliffe was named chair in 2001

The only Presidental election he oversaw was 2004. We lost that one.

[madfloridian]

10. There have been zero presidential elections with Dean as chair.

:shrug:

But there was a very successful election in November last year.

;-)

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

13. I know--Who started this thread-Limbaugh?

It's one of the most blatantly fale things I've ever seen on DU

[GreenTea]

14. If the corporate asshole McAuliffe "won 3 elections" - Then expect Dean to win his first

which will be Dean's first chance since becoming head of the DNC and many more to come!

McAuliffe had zero, nothing to do with strategy of the presidential races, but to raise money. Dean has already out raised McAuliffe in the short time's he's been at the DNC!

McAuliffe a DLC-Clinton machine piece of shit....McAuliffe is simply a money raiser, that's the only reason he got the DNC job...he has no clue about agenda or liberal ideology.

He has the job with Hillary simply and only to raise money.

Again, Dean has raised more money in the short time he's been at the DNC Along with Howard Deans fifty-state strategy to win back the congress and the senate....McAuliffe could do neither in his time at the DNC....A complete piece of shit is McAuliffe!

Which reminds me to make another donation to the DNC ---Fuck the DLC!!!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

27. "DLC piece of shit" "simply a money raiser". Those got us 3 wins.

What's the problem with three victories?

[GreenTea]

34. How come McAuliffe couldn't win back the congress or the senate in all that time?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

47. what victories?

please explain

[KharmaTrain]

16. DNC Chairmen Since 1989...

Ron Brown (1989-1993) New York
David Wilhelm (1993-1994) Ohio
Debra DeLee (1994-1995) Massachusetts
Donald Fowler (1995-1997) South Carolina
Christopher J. Dodd1 (1995-1997) Connecticut
Steven Grossman (1997-1999) Massachusetts
Joseph Andrew (1999-2001) Indiana
Roy Romer1 (1999) Colorado
Edward G. Rendell1 (1999-2001) Pennsylvania
Terrence R. McAuliffe (2001-2005) Virginia
Howard Dean (2005-) Vermont

Now do we really want to "laud" Mr. McAuliffe's "contributions" to the 2002 mid-terms when he became the target of wingnut attacks for his loosey-goosey financial dealings. Or should we just let this drop?

[fishwax]

18. Dean hasn't run any presidential elections

as DNC chair, so the comparison doesn't have a lot of weight. And McAuliffe's only presidential election was 2004, I think, so the comparison isn't accurate, either.

Dean did do pretty well in the midterms, though. :)

[cali]

19. Are you embarassed yet? n/t

[americanstranger]

22. HA! Way to hedge!

Just admit you were wrong in the OP and be done with.

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[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. Nope, McAuliffe has a record of success with last three D victories

There's no argument

[americanstranger]

28. Maybe not with the post AS EDITED. TWICE now.

Your OP was dead wrong. Fact.

How many times are you going to split that hair to avoid being wrong?

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[Proud2BAmurkin]

35. Are you arguing that McA was a failure at winning presidential elections?

That was the point

[americanstranger]

39. Yeah, he pretty much sucked.

No president Kerry in the WH that I can see.

Hey, but I'm not living in the 'Terry McAuliffe won 3 presidential elections' universe, so I might be wrong.

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[Proud2BAmurkin]

43. 3/4 isn't suck. The 4th wasn't DLC

Maybe that's the problem

[GreenTea]

46. The moderate to right-wing DLC! Fucking moderates no ideology of their own

DLC clowns (McAuliffe) care ONLY about money! Moderates: Which ever way the wind blows, fence-sitters, undecided, not sure...corporate loving fucking assholes!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

50. Can't argue but also can't argue they put us over in 92, 96, 00

They might have outlived usefulness but remains to be seen

[blm]

71. We were ABLE to win in 1992 because Dems in Congress kept Bush1 under investigation and exposed his

dealings with constant headlines - The public would NOT have broken trust with Bush if it hadn't been for the POUNDING he was getting all four years on IranContra revelations, BCCI, and Iraqgate.

Bush2 was a completely different story, with the MOST media protection ever given a president and a Congress that WOULD NOT even dare cross him with a vote let alone an investigation.


And it also didn't help in 2002 and 2004 that Bill Clinton sided with Bush2 on all his major military decisions.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

75. You don't think DLC candidate as opposed to a Dukakis clone had anything to do

with it?

[blm]

78. Do you remember that time at all? Bush1 was down to under 40% favorables with all

the bad headlines about serious info revealed during IranContra investigation, BCCI and Iraqgate.


Had Bush2 been even 1/10th as investigated as Bush1 and we would've had a landslide starting in 2002.

It's SOME of the DLC people who step up now to discourage investigations.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

87. I think that was only part of it. We had to have someone who couldn't be

Willie Horton'd as a liberal

[blm]

90. Not when a president is being kept under 40% approval. And anti-liberal meme wasn't in full force

yet then. It didn't become an insult till a couple years of Talkradio attacking Clinton and Congress, that the word liberal started to be employed as an insult. That was part of the 1994 Gingrich attack plan.

[fishwax]

92. well, on top of that, they did try to paint Clinton as a liberal

it wasn't as prevalent in '92 as it was in the '94 election, but it was there. But, as you point out, bush one's numbers were so low that such a tactic wasn't likely to be effective.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

30. mcaulliffe's record:

2002 - losses both houses of congress, no dem gains in congress
2004 - loses presidential election, losses both houses of congress, no dem gains in congress

what on earth are you smoking? he was a catastrophe as chair!

[fishwax]

40. and how does Dean's record compare?

2006--regains senate for the first time since '02; regains house for the first time since 1994.

I think he compares pretty well. :)

[fishwax]

36. Dean has a record of success with the last three D victories too

he helped deliver Vermont in each of those elections.

[Blue-Jay]

44. As chair of the DNC?

Or as a fund-raiser?

[americanstranger]

53. Well, both. NOW.

The OP said 'as DNC chair.' Then 'top fundraiser' got added.

Next up: 'as a human.' :)

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[Blue-Jay]

94. Next edit:

"Which animal would you want to babysit your kids: Dolphin or Koala?"

[americanstranger]

95. Your graphic still cracks me up every time.

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(I prefer koala, myself. :))

[fishwax]

70. what's that old saying about the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole

stop digging, i believe?

[Purveyor]

31. Oh great. Not enough that we are 'slicing and dicing' each other over the nomination

fight, now we can 'mince and julienne' over the best/worst DNC heads.

[myrna minx]

33. Let me see, Dean has not been DNC Chair during a Presidential

election. Yeah, thanks to McAuliffe, we did a barn burner in 2002. We took back the House *and* Senate. Oh wait. Silly me. That was 2006, with Howard Dean as Chair. :rofl:

[LSK]

38. MEANWHILE, he lost Congress..

[dsc]

41. Even this isn't right

and your edit was unethical. McAuliffe was in charge of Congressional campaigns not Presidential ones until 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McAuliffe

[americanstranger]

51. I guess the OP will need further editing.

I'm about to just hide this stupid thread and be done with it.

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[Adenoid_Hynkel]

54. cute - you keep editing tthe original post

you originally said as DNC chair
and now you want to give terry credit for DLC

The DLC did a great job losing congress, governorships and legislature throughout the 90s. That's the reall Clinton/Carville?Beinhart?McAulliffe DLC legacy. Losing everyhting and keeping the president through 96. Then they tied Gore's hands and and mismanaged his campaign. 2000 shouldn't have been close enough to steal.

I'll stick with Dr. Dean's strategy, thank you very much.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

66. Gore was 3rd DLC victory. Does it matter how close?

Not really.

[dsc]

69. I have repeatedly pointed out

that McAuliffe wasn't in charge of Presidential campaigns in 1992, he was on the Congressional campaign committee. Are you ever going to acknowledge that fact?

[liberalnurse]

55. I thought you were going to play nice?

Didn't you reach out a few weeks ago with a "Please accept my apology" thread...? :shrug:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

61. No I don't think I did

:shrug:

[liberalnurse]

68. Okay...It may be someone with

a similar screen name.

[k_jerome]

56. i like McAuliffe, but this thread is a little embarassing. let it die. nt.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

58. nah. I'm having too much fun.

we all enjoy shooting fish in a barrell every now and then.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

63. No one has proven McA a failure

because he was a success

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

65. he lost all national elections when he was chair

1 presidential, 2 congressionals
that's a failure

[Proud2BAmurkin]

72. Nearly brought (or brought) Mass liberal to victory and 02 and 04 are 9/11 wins

In my view all three of those are 9/11 wins for RePUKES given to them by dumbshit swingvoters and we did better in all than we thought

[Sterling]

59. Dean has not lost any either, lol.

Not really sure how good of a job Dean will do but we should give him a chance, so far he has done ok? Or not? Why does Dean suck so bad in your opinion?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

62. Who said Dean sucks

:shrug:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

64. you implied it

you said he's one zero-in comparison to terry's "3"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

67. Not really. Point is that McA and DLC were successes for D party

I have doubts about usefulness of DLC in the future but the answer isn't to trash SUCCESSFUL fundraisers or officers like McA or orgs like DLC when their record speaks for itself

[cali]

76. This is ridiculous.

Idiotic. Worst post I've seen on DU in ages. And you keep defending it. 'Splain this, Lucy:

"Last 3 Democratic presidential victories were DLC. They have their role to play."

Clinton in 1992. Ok, I'll give you that, even if McAuliffe had jack to do with it, but who was the last dem prez before Clinton? Oh, that's right, it was Carter in 1976. Was the DLC even around in that year? Why no, it was not. It was founded in 1985. And if it wasn't around in 1976, then we can safely assume that it wasn't around in 1964 when LBJ was elected. Not to mention that McCauliff was something like three years old in 1964.

Really, this is beyond ludicrous- though it's amusement quotient is pretty high.

[k_jerome]

77. perhaps the poster refers to Gore, who was DLC. nt.

[americanstranger]

79. Nah. The OP has been heavily edited.

The original premise that every called bullshit on was that 'McAuliffe has won 3 presidential elections AS DNC CHAIR' while Dean has won none.

It's been non-stop editing and qualification from that point on. Funny, however dopey it may be.

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[k_jerome]

80. on that i can't argue. nt.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

83. Bullshit "heavily edited." I tried to edit to make the POINT

of the post which is the anti McAuliffe threads don't reflect reality.

After all the focus on DNC trivia, edited to focus on McAuliffe's involvement since Clinton-Gore and tried to edit to ask the question that matters which anti McA's are avoiding. Which is was McA and his centrist politics a "failure" but the editing period was expired.

[americanstranger]

88. Wow. You're calling bullshit on ME?

Your orginal post - which is obliterated beyond recognition at this point due to your numerous edits - was that Terry McAuliffe won 3 presidential elections as DNC chair.

Many people pointed out that you were wrong. So you added 'and top fundraiser.'

Many people pointed out that McAuliffe lost 1 presidential election and 2 congressional election as DNC chair. So then you added his membership in the DLC.

God, this is funny. You should have admitted you were wrong 80-some posts ago..

And like someone said upthread - you keep mentioning reality, when you were the one who claimed 3 presidential wins with McAuliffe as DNC chair - when he lost the only one he oversaw.

Seems like you and reality have yet to be introduced to one another. IMO.

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[Proud2BAmurkin]

86. Clinton + Clinton + Gore. Those three n/t

nt

[fujiyama]

82. LOL

Are you enjoying just making shit up?

When you post something that is blatantly false, you should probably just admit you were absolutely wrong and when it's this embarrassing and you've been called out a million times for it - you should just request to have it locked...and I say that for your own sake. It was likely an honest mistake, but you should have a different subject line.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

85. I tried to change sub line to "Was McA a failure" but timed out

and discussion has veered onto minute details instead of addressing that central point (with a few exceptions)

[dsc]

89. It is not a minute detail

and you still, despite my repeated attempts, haven't corrected your premise correctly. McAuliffe wasn't involved in the Presidential campaign of 1992. He was still on the Congressional campaign then and in 1994. Are you ever going to correct that mistake? Facts matter.

[fishwax]

93. you had time to make at least two other rounds of edits

:shrug:

The reason discussion has veered from your "central point" is that what you call the central point was in no way clear from the (original) original post. And they are hardly "minute details" that were off, either.

[Breeze54]

84. It's Howard Dean's party!

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070209/FALLON04/702090508/1029/FALLON

WASHINGTON --

At the Winter Meeting of the Democratic National Committee, in a ballroom of the Washington
Hilton packed with hundreds of Democratic activists, Rep. Rahm Emanuel seems a distant memory.
Emanuel is the Chicago Democrat who masterminded the brilliant, soothingly moderate Democratic
campaign of 2006 while clashing with the fire-breathing DNC Chairman Howard Dean.

If there's one thing obvious in this room, it is that Emanuel might be clever, but it's
Howard Dean's party. Dean electrified a similar DNC gathering four years ago when he said
that he was "from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," and launched his anti-war
candidacy briefly into the stratosphere. Now, all the Democratic presidential candidates
appearing here borrow from Dean and try to appease the party's yowling, anti-war base.

Even Hillary Clinton, who now represents the right flank of the Democratic field.

Continued....

GO DEAN!! :woohoo:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

91. McAuliffe lost both houses of Congress; Dean won them back

So there.

[Moderator]

96. Locking

This has devolved into a flamefest