I just busted an airline pilot freeper-type on another board.

[DemoTex]

JJ and I have battled for a year or so. Tonight, he screwed up.

JJ and I usually fought about GWB and the Iraq war. JJ always touted his Viet Nam CV as a USAF F-111 pilot. He was very specific that he was flying the trail in 1966-67. I took that at face value.

Today he posted that he had been screwed by the new age 65 law for airline pilots. He was forced to retire in November, at age 60, under the old law.

"Wait!," sez I. Arithmetic 101. If JJ was 60 in 11/2007, then he was born 11/47. That put him at 19 in 1966. USAF required a college degree, plus UGPT, plus F-111 school. What a fucking lying bull-shitter!

[gateley]

1. I wonder what his response will be when you call him on it. More lies, no doubt. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Did you call him on it? What did he say?

I guess he bit his own self on the ass!

[DemoTex]

4. Oh hell yes I called him on it!

No response yet.

[wtmusic]

10. Back under his rock he goes

My, my. I'd be surprised if he wasn't hiding behind his momma's skirt for eight years in the sixties.

[B Calm]

46. The SOB probably wasn't even in the service. Right wingers lie about

serving in the military all the time. It's easy for a veteran to catch them at lieing.

[alfredo]

47. He was probably a company clerk.

If that.

[Xenotime]

51. Good job! Put those fuckers in their place.

[Hand]

3. Whoopsie...

Well done! Is there a link, so we can admire this in its original glory? :yourock:

[DemoTex]

8. Sorry, it is restricted.

But I'll report his response .. if any.

[Parche]

5. Lying Freeper?

Never....:rofl: :rofl:


Maybe he is doing that on his 'flight simulator' :rofl:

:hi:





I am flying RAP-LAS-OMA-LAS-BIL-GTF tonight on my 717 flight simulator!!!!

:hi:

[thunder rising]

9. And on one fuel load ... that's some flying.

[Libby2]

21. No, no, no, that's stimulator.

[DemoTex]

26. Ironically, he retired as a 717 captain!

ValuJet (aka AirTrans).

And I was a MD-80 captain (pre-717). I hope that sim is more reliable than the DDT was. DDT? Douglas Death Tube.

Also, lest it not be known: there is no MD-80 type rating. I hold a DC-9 type which covers the MD-80 series. I'm not sure about the 717.

[Parche]

55. Hey

I love flying the 717 it is a joy to fly
I always wanted to be a pilot, but never made it thru, so i do this as my 'hobby'
I have always loved airplanes/airlines etc thruout my life
i have a 'virtual airline' that i have schedules and computer generated passengers etc costs etc...


So MD-80......let me guess, either American, Alaska, TWA, :shrug:

:hi:

[bulloney]

29. Might have flown one of those kiddie planes at the grocery store

[orleans]

49. ooh--i used to LOVE those! and the merry-go-rounds outside stores too! n/t

[hvn_nbr_2]

58. His "flight simulator" is probably...

a six-pack, a dark room, a porno flick, and a merry palm.

[Ilsa]

6. Haaaaahahaha! Freeps are always lying! Good catch, and I think

taking what they say at face value is a good policy - until they blow it!

[thunder rising]

7. Another wanna be Sgt Rock, with a knife in his teeth. But first you have to put your ass in the

grass; and then you can see if you can be Sgt Rock.

You're there, the enemy is there, the knife is in it's sheath. Just clinch that steel between those jaws and run at the machine guns. You get the image. Image what guts it took for John Kerry to turn his boat into a night time machine gun ambush. I don't think he got to the part with the knife, but he got the part that says if you run you die, if you charge you might live. Wanna war hero ... there's one.

[MADem]

22. This could well be him!!!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

27. The guy in the pic is funny. The computer set up is hilarious!

It looks like an old 8086/8 with a nifty 5 1/4 floppy drive!

I'm trying not to notice the dot matrix printer because I used to work in an office where my desk was right next to one of those damn noisy beasts.

[MADem]

28. It's not mine, I ripped it off, but I thought it was a scream as well!!

The well padded form, the glasses, the cigarette...what a specimen!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Does this happen a lot?

Years ago I think I read somewhere that there were more people who lied about service in Vietnam then there were people who actually went to Vietnam.

I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Fridays Child]

17. Oh, yeah? Well...

...I really did serve dinner to a guy who spent nine months in Vietnam.

[TahitiNut]

18. Some have estimated that as many as six times as many as actually served claimed to.

According to some, there was a (telephone? CPS?) survey back in the early 80s in which 5-6 times as many claimed to be Viet Nam veterans as there were alive that actually served.

There were about 2.7 million of us who were awarded a Viet Nam Service Medal ... and less than 1/3rd of us remain alive.

:patriot:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Six? No shit?

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

25. I can't personally confirm any such research, though.

I've tried to find reputable citations for any such survey and haven't found it. There are any number of such estimates on individual Veteran websites, though. From my own experience, there has always been a seeming overabundance of "my uncle" or "my friend" or "my brother" references. I really don't think any of my relatives or close friends would attempt to posture themselves as 'experts' based on knowing me. It seems far too much of a stretch ... especially since we (well, at least *I*) mostly shut up after coming back and rarely brought up the subject of being a Viet Nam vet. In the 70s, that was like being a leper.

[EFerrari]

38. Was it really? My neighbors down the street had a house.

There were about eight of 'em, all just back. They taught me to play gin rummy and lived to regret it. The whole place was organized around being back. I was pretty young though, maybe wouldn't have noticed what they might have been going through that went over my 16 year old head.

That house was a way station. Corner of Winchester and Campbell Ave. Those were some great guys, TahitiNut.

:)

[TahitiNut]

40. Well, it helps to have a steady diet of prunes, I guess.

:silly:

Things were a lot different in Detroit, I guess.

No prunes.

[OzarkDem]

41. Less than one-third still alive?

That's one heck of an attrition rate. Sorry to hear it.

[TahitiNut]

42. Yup. Probably even less. There were about 1 million left alive in the 2000 census.

So, I thiink "less than 1/3rd" is a fair and responsible way to state it now. :shrug:

[OzarkDem]

43. Damn

My son's friend's father just passed from long term complications resulting from Agent Orange. Really sad.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. Link?

[TahitiNut]

13. Good scalping, Mac! Tie a can to that fucker's ass and run him out of town.

Just another wannabe ... born too late to be a winged Rambo, the poor motherfucker! :puke:

[DemoTex]

31. I should have put 2+2 a year ago.

It never crossed my mind to do the arithmetic. It should have. Many of my old ex-Braniff buddies from the Piedmont days flew in Viet Nam in the mid-60s. They were 23-25 then. So they had to retire in 2000-2002, which they did.
I was younger. I hit 'Nam in 1970-71, and I took the quick track: ARMY Warrant Officer. No college degree required. I did luck out in fixed-wing, and in the P-2 unit. But that was luck, not skill or beauty.
However, I hate a fucking liar. Especially about something as close to my heart as what we went through in Viet Nam.

[dweller]

32. you flew w/ Piedmont?

didn't know that. My uncle was w/ them early on. Very early on.
He never left.

dp

[east texas lib]

61. Man, oh man...

Reading of your experience brought back some memories. My mother was the company
secretary for the 4th W.O.C. of the 4th Infantry Division (Airmobile) in the early
'70's at Fort Wolters,TX. I think I was 10 or so, and I shall never forget those men.
Flying helicopters is risky under the best conditions. In a combat situation well,
let's just say they earned every fucking cent of that combat pay. I was privileged
to have known them, though being a kid I didn't realize how much so at the time.
I do now. IMHO, people who lie about their service dishonor those who did serve.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Good for you!!

I LOVE busting the freepers.

I busted a couple myself today. I posted a video where an Iraq vet talks about killing innocent civilians. So immediately two posters come on that thread, claiming they are currently serving in Iraq and that soldier is lying.

So I post several articles telling how the military stationed overseas has limited access to the internet and they can't access youtube or myspace or DISCUSSION BOARDS.

Cha Ching!!!

[Ahpook]

56. Is that right?

Whoa. I have my fair share of John Wayne wannabes to put in place then:)

I see them on discussion boards of various color. They talk the typical "killing ragheads" crap.

Noticed one on a board saying he takes potshots at Iragi citizens for the hell of it. He stated his commanding officer doesn't really care as long as he isn't to obvious about it.

This was on a band message board.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. They can't post on discussion boards while using military computers

but they can go to a wifi hot spot with their personal laptop and surf to whatever sites they want.

But I believe they would be more interested in sending emails to family and friends than in participating in online discussion threads. The vets I talked to said they really don't have much free time to keep up with email.

Here are the links I posted to my little freeper soldier pretenders. (Oh and they haven't replied yet so I think I won this debate.)

http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=latestnews&id=1774

http://www.thefileroom.org/documents/dyn/DisplayCase.cfm/id/1174

http://ibls.com/cs/blogs/internet_law/archive/2007/06/06/internet-censorship-during-a-time-of-war-soldiers-denied-access-to-the-internet.aspx

http://i.cmpnet.com/ads/graphics/as5/redirect/rd_ms.html?RDNAME=twn_ms_080124&RDCK_set=720&count=15&rdLock=4089341&RDADD=4089341&redirect=http%3A//www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D199501834&RDHREF=http%3A//clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/cmpmpitp0320004840mrt/direct/01/&RDIMAGE=http%3A//view.atdmt.com/MRT/view/cmpmpitp0320004840mrt/direct/01/&RDFRAME=http%3A//view.atdmt.com/MRT/iview/cmpmpitp0320004840mrt/direct/01%3Fclick%3D

[applegrove]

15. Often times role players for the GOP will pretend to be some sorta expert

to garner respect. Sounds like you busted one.

[MADem]

16. He probably will lie and tell you he got his dates wrong just a bit

Or maybe he was a GENIUS who graduated college at seventeen....YEAH...that's the TICKET!!!

Either he is a total BSer, or he was over there towards the end as a fresh newbie, or he was a maintenance tech, or he was crew on some other platform, or he was "Vietnam Era" which includes those who joined up after it was all over.

The internet is full of bullshitters, exaggerators, and people who just want to puff themselves up as a respite from plain old real life.

I've been telling people all day today that I am a wealthy billionaire with three private islands and two, yes TWO Lear jets--and I am good looking and ELIGIBLE! I can't understand why no one BELIEVES me!!! :shrug:

:rofl:

[Binka]

48. Oh Shit You Aren't Either? I Have Been Waiting In Vain. LOL!

I know I know I just keep waiting for you to be a 40 something hottie for me to chase after. I love you that much.

[MADem]

52. I'd give ya one of my private islands if I were Bink! You could bring the kids

and be waited on hand and foot by my staff of a hundred faithful servants!!

[Binka]

54. Ahh You Are A Sweetheart!

Could use a bit of hand on foot action.

[Arugula Latte]

20. Maybe he was an uber genius who graduated super, super early!

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

23. Serves to illustrate...

Anyone can say anything on the Internets:) Don't get sucked into the tubes!

:P

[Konza]

24. Nothing is more pathetic than all the wanna-be heroes

on the right. And of course they're all Navy SEALS, Green Berets, etc.
They usually can't even lie convincingly. Always some grandiose bullshit, when the reality is they never served, or if they did, they spent Viet Nam defending the Minot Air Force Base runway from the Viet Cong instead of all of the fantastic tales of danger they tell their buddies.

[trotsky]

30. Nicely done!

Do keep us updated. :)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

33. of course they defended the country!

Shrub kept the Commies from marching down Old Galveston Road and invading Ellington Field!!!

You knew that, didn't you?

[DemoTex]

35. Shrub strafed those Mexicans, then couldn't find Elligton AFB!

Shrub. Bingo, just like his fucking dad.

[EFerrari]

34. That's so weird. Why do people DO things like that?

Good for you, Mac.

[DemoTex]

36. It beats me, sfexpat.

He was exposed for a long time. Any number of us could have caught him. I did. Serendipitously. He's a' squirmin' now. My guess is, he is off our airline pilot board.

[tabasco]

37. Liars hope nobody remembers.

It's great when somebody does.

[bullwinkle428]

39. Dude, you are THE MAN!! Chickenhawks getting busted

in their web of lies is truly one of the things that warms my heart like few others do!

:applause: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Hobarticus]

44. Actually, F-111's weren't in 'Nam in 66 and 67...

It sounded funky to me. I remembered the Aardvark initially went to 'Nam for testing, crashed a few times, then back out, then back in, much later. The F-111 wasn't even in-theater in '66 and '67.

I was right. Here's Wikipedia:

After early testing a detachment of six aircraft were sent in March 1968 to Southeast Asia for Combat Lancer testing in real combat conditions in Vietnam. In little over a month, three aircraft were lost and the combat tests were halted. It turned out that all three had been lost through malfunction (primarily with the terrain-following radar), not by enemy action.

September 1972 saw the F-111 back in Southeast Asia, participating in the final month of Operation Linebacker and later the Operation Linebacker II aerial offensive against the North.

[Nailzberg]

45. Freepers and their medals.

You would think we'd have conquered evil worldwide with all the service those guys claim.

Outstanding job catching him in his lie.

[krispos42]

50. I was a combat pilot in Vietnam, too

I flew B-17s out of Pusan, defending the Perimeter against those suicidally brave hordes of Mongols. It was pretty rough. The agility of those Fokker Triplanes is incredible. Fortunately our F-18 Hornets and P-51 Mustangs were able to keep those Me109 and Mirage fighters off our backs while us and the B-1Bs pounded the crap out of them!












What?

O8)

[The Backlash Cometh]

53. Doesn't it feel good when you catch them red-handed?

[bvar22]

57. !!!

:toast:
:patriot:

[Elwood P Dowd]

59. Bush flew an F-102 Delta Dagger....

protecting SE Texas from a possible NVA attack. Cheney flew a bar stool in Wyoming for 8 years during the war.

I don't know why repubs lie about their military service. I was drafted during Vietnam but spent most of the two years in Washington, DC and have never told anyone otherwise. There was this one guy who told me he was in 'Nam during TET. Strange, considering he graduated from high school in 1971 and then later went into the Army during the early days of VOLAR. I didn't say anything to embarrass the guy because he was a veteran, but why would he tell such a big lie?

[Redstone]

60. Uh, were we even flying Varks in that AO in 1966?

I'm not so sure.

Redstone