The Story We've All Been Waiting For (Sibel Edmonds)

[kpete]

The Story We've All Been Waiting For
by Inky99
Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:42:21 PM PST

Furthermore, this new revelation ties in the Valerie Plame scandal with this one. Check it out -- Brewster Jennings, the company that was Plame's CIA front, was investigating this very scandal when she was outed and her career -- and presumably the work on this case -- destroyed by the Bush administration:

Brewster Jennings

The official document obtained by The Times has some very damning evidence regarding Marc Grossman, former #3 at the State Department and former Ambassador to Turkey. Two weeks ago, The Times ran an explosive article detailing how Marc Grossman was a mole for foreign criminal groups which stole American nuclear secrets and sold them to the highest bidder.

According to the latest Times article, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece they have an anonymous letter which:

claims the government official (Grossman) warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market. The official’s warning came two years before Brewster Jennings was publicly outed when one of its staff, Valerie Plame, was revealed to be a CIA agent in a case that became a cause célèbre in the US.

Former CIA agent Phil Giraldi, who was stationed in Turkey, is another who is familiar with these matters. Giraldi wrote a terrific article for the American Conservative in 2006 describing Sibel's case. In Kill The Messenger, a documentary about the nuclear black market element of Sibel case, Giraldi says:

"And that Brewster Jennings was, apparently, working against the target of Turkey, meaning that Turkey was being investigated by the CIA as a proliferator of weapons."

One of Brewster Jennings targets was the American Turkish Council, a lobbying group known to be a hub of the activity facilitating the theft and sale of nuclear secrets, among other things.

Journalist Chris Deliso wrote a terrific article in Nov 2005 linking Marc Grossman, Brewster Jennings, the American Turkish Council and the Turkish connection to the nuclear black market. Although the new Times article doesn't mention Grossman by name, it is clear that Grossman is again the unnamed former official in this article.

more, plus links at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/21/02022/8011/0/440355

[acmavm]

1. Wall, blindfold, 21 gun salute. Eddie Slovik was murdered for

a lot less than this.

[Javaman]

64. Eddie Slovik was murdered because he wasn't rich. nt

[waterdancer]

111. Let's get a YouTube viral Sibel Edmonds video

Embeds don't help the view count apparently. Here's a current candidate- Daniel Ellsberg supporting Sibel Edmonds by lukery. Watch, comment, email.

Daniel Ellsberg supporting Sibel Edmonds

[acmavm]

123. Eddie Slovik had to die because the military needed an 'example'. He

never, and I repeat NEVER went AWOL. He refused to kill is all.

[HereSince1628]

2. Yes, but I was hoping it would be printed in an American paper

Being in the Times it will penetrate American culture about as well as Marmite...
I'm so sure of that, you can spread it on your toast and eat it.

[redqueen]

14. *sigh*

I wish I could disagree.

K&R regardless.

[HereSince1628]

15. Well, it might make an American newspaper someday.

Maybe in a book review of the upcoming history hit of 2032: "How America Quit Fearing The Bomb and Started Selling It."

[Gonnuts]

117. Please ...

Media here is busy telling us which idiot, none of us want, will be our president to worry about little things like high-treason and across board corruption of our government.

but not to worry - Waxman is on the job making baseball safe from steroids - you know - for the kids ...

[lukery]

19. Fox News is on the job!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324142,00.html

[drm604]

65. I was shocked to see that at first

but I suspect that they have some kind of automated feed that picks up the headline stories from Murdoch papers in other countries and puts them in the world section of foxnews.com.

If it was a headline at the top of the front page on foxnews then I might be impressed.

[jjr5]

69. Hillary Clinton actually took campaign money from Rupert Murdoch

Scary huh

[Name removed]

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[0007]

86. Wasn't Donna Rice Hart's squeeze?

[Hart2008]

132. Donna Rice was Don Henley's ex-girlfriend. He wrote the song "Dirty Laundry" about her.

For 20 years, Donna Rice has denied that relationship with Hart was sexual, and never made a dime from the story or her stolen pictures. More below:

:rant:

Hart's problem was the WaPo, not the Miami Herald. The Miami Herald did a tag team on Hart with the National Enquirer. A female British citizen with connections to Rupport Murdoch "borrowed" certain now infamous photographs from Donna Rice. This may, or may not, be the same anonymous source who called the Miami Herald. (The identity of this anonymous self-described "liberal Democrat" remains a mystery. Would a liberal Democrat speak with a British accent? Some in the Hart camp believe the source was none other than "Lady MacBeth" herself.) The Herald then claimed to have followed Donna Rice, lost her in the D.C. airport, and then proceeded to stake out Hart's Washington D.C., Townhouse. Knight-Ridder, which owned The Herald, then having paid at least three reporters to cover this story, airfare and hotels, etc., then falsely reported that Rice had spent the night with Hart. (The Herald's reporters never saw how Rice had entered Hart's townhouse, the normal way when driving was through the garage in the back, so they never saw how she left.) Four witnesses could vouch for the fact that it wasn't true, but the Herald wasn't going to let facts get in the way of making money from cheap sensationalism, which was unprecedented in covering a Presidential candidate.

To cover up the fact that they were merely engaged in cheap sensationalism, the Herald's lead reporter, Tom Fiedler, found a quote from Hart in a long interview with E.J. Dionne in the New York Times Magazine. (According to the Fiedler, he read this quote on the plane on the way to D.C., after the Herald had been pursuing this story for weeks, and only after two other Knight-Ridder where already in the street spying on Hart. More likely, with the way the New York Times is distributed, he read this quote after arriving in D.C. For the Herald to write that they had followed Hart around, which they didn't, in response to his "challenge" was another Herald cheap shot, since it was demonstrably false.) The "follow me around" quote appeared in an otherwise very favorable article about Hart, in which his wife took responsibility for much of their marital problems. The quote appeared without context to exactly what question Dionne asked to illicit such an angry response from Hart. Dionne merely wrote that it was in response to "womanizing" allegations.

The problem with calling Hart's relationship with Rice "womanizing" is that she denied their relationship was sexual, and twenty years later has not changed her story, nor made a dime from the notoriety. (She now heads an organization called "Enough Is Enough" to protect children from online pornography.) When she finally did speak at greater length about the matter she talked about how she had been date raped by another man, and how much of a gentleman Hart was to her. Rice also denied the Herald's claim that she met Hart at a New Year's Eve party. (She attended that party as Don Henley's date and did not speak to Hart that evening.)

DONNA RICE IS NOT WHY GARY HART SUSPENDED HIS CAMPAIGN IN MAY 1987!

That story was survivable. According to Gallup 64% of the American public thought the news coverage of the matter was "unfair". More to the point, 20 years later there is not a single woman who has come forward by name to accuse Hart of any kind of sexual impropriety, or has claimed to have had sex with him.

The problem was that the Washington Post decided that it was going to start "outing" women rumored to have had a relationship with Hart in the past, even when the woman herself denied it. (During two public separations from his wife, Hart had apparently been dating.) The Washington Post told Hart it would publish this smut if Hart stayed in the race. Since this kind of invasion of a candidate's privacy was unprecedented, (Nixon said it was wrong), Hart suspended his campaign until he could get the Post to kill the story.

Paul Taylor was the reporter responsible for this story. He later resigned for his part in this, but not before addressing his many critics among his peers:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0D9...
Taylor implied that Hart was somehow being a hypocrite, "Gary Hart chose to run for President and present himself as a happily married man." That was, however, not the case. Hart had been publicly separated from his wife on two occasions. On one of those occasions, he had roomed with Bob Woodward. If Taylor had read the E. J. Dionne article in the Times, he would have read that in 1972 as McGovern's campaign manager, Hart had stated that he was in favor of "marriage reform" when asked about his marriage. What must have become clear to Taylor, the reason he resigned from the Post, was that Hart's problem wasn't that he was a hypocrite about his marriage. The problem was that he wasn't. (For perspective, Lee and Gary Hart have now been married for 50 years.)

To blame Hart for the media invasion of his personal life is both factually wrong and it is also engaging in hindsight. To put the matter in perspective, no candidate had ever had to deal with the problem that Hart did before. FDR, JFK, and LBJ all were adulterers. How did that effect their performance as President? No one in the media ever reported on that kind of stuff before.

As a Democrat, what becomes clear is that there is a media double standard when dealing with a candidates personal life. During the '88 campaign,it was common knowledge that Bush, Sr. had a mistress. No less of an authority than Nancy Reagan told everyone she could about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

The popular fiction is to blame Hart for how he responded to the questions about his personal life.

THAT COMPLETELY BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHY THE MSM NEVER EVEN ASKED THESE QUESTIONS OF BUSH, SR.!!!

If a candidates personal life was fair game for reporters, why weren't the same questions asked of Bush, Sr.?

They weren't.

The continuing media black out on Dick Cheney and his numerous phone calls to the D.C. madam tells you all you need to know about the continuing media double standard when addressing a politicians marital or sexual problems.

Republicans can solicit prostitutes with out publication, but Dem's can't have marital problems with out the world knowing.

[blayne]

81. Absolutely terrifying!

:)

[annabanana]

90. (Irony of ironies!!). . . .n/t

[nashville_brook]

49. mmmmMMMarmite!

[HereSince1628]

53. Exactly what I meant, 1 in 49 has a clue.

A similar small percent of the US will have any idea that something really serious about the criminals running their government was published in England over the weekend.

You don't et a wave of calls for special prosecutors on that sort of awareness.

[mirrera]

59. To know Marmite is not necessarily to love it.

:)

[HereSince1628]

63. That's too true, but a tiny fraction of Americans even know it exists

[Rosa Luxemburg]

102. I never liked it

[sofa king]

84. Ooh! I know what Marmite is!

It's just like Vegemite, but it's made out of marmots instead of vegetables.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

89. I get my jollies reading Spotted Dick labels in the supermarket.

:rofl:
Speaking of exotic foods.

Not sure I would buy something with a name that sounds like a venereal disease.

[lynnertic]

121. Is it stacked next to the smut?

In the canned diseases section of your supermarket -- not the checkout stand with the Enquirer!

http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php

[lonestarnot]

100. Yes it is, so WTF they talking about?

[lonestarnot]

99. What is Marmite?

[HereSince1628]

105. Sludge left in the barrel after brewing beer. Some English speaking nations eat it.

There really is no accounting for taste.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

104. did anyone bother to tell the American newspapers

maybe they haven't heard of this?

[elehhhhna]

3. k&r

[JohnyCanuck]

4. K & Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !

[Roland99]

47. I'll second that!!

[bonito]

5. American Turkish Council

Some backround information here http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/2874

[StateSecrets]

6. K&R

Plesae keep this alive.

[catnhatnh]

8. Will do SS....

and to you, Well Done...

[rateyes]

21. Will do. What's the chance we can get

Henry Waxman to give this story the attention it deserves in his committee?

[whyzayker]

67. K&R-ing

The crickets are deafening!

[NewJeffCT]

7. will this ever make the US news media?

beyond a few blogs?

[Blarch]

10. The question is...

if it did...would it make a bit of difference.

The people on this forum would continue to treat these people as equals.

[tekisui]

9. KNR.

[antigop]

11. K&R. n/t

[ixion]

12. kicked and recommended

for the Truth! :patriot:

[Nite Owl]

13. K&R n/t

[Mnemosyne]

16. For Sibel and Truth! KnR

:kick:

Please stay safe Sibel!:hug:

[Oilwellian]

17. We need to organize a massive effort to demand MSM cover this story

If everyone on DU made an effort to call just one MSM source today and ask why they haven't picked up on this story, it may be a little harder for them to ignore this stunning information. We have GOT to break through their numb skulls and demand they cover it. Also continue to call Waxman & Leahy's offices and ask them why they're letting Marc Grossman & others continue to walk free.

K&R

[stubtoe]

24. You're right. Just like we did for the Downing Street "memo".

That finally DID make it into the media and I think we had a lot to do with it.

[pokercat999]

125. I remember that, the Preznut was impeached and his

vice resigned and is living somewhere in self-exile in South America, half the cabinet resigned and are facing criminal charges and......oops wrong thread, wrong country, wrong story OR IS IT NOBODY CARES because Jolly Lynn is about to win on Survivor Amazon?

[cachukis]

129. Dan Froomkin @ WAPO

Sent a message to Froomkin with links to Fox. Second time.

[femrap]

18. k and r...thx, kpete. nt

[mmonk]

20. .

[rateyes]

22. Hey Conyers, Waxman, and Leahy...

why the hell haven't you called this witness to the stand in your respective committees?

[jonnyra]

33. I'll tell ya why rateyes

Because they are covering for the crimes of the Bush regime. Just as Pelosi is by taking impeachment off the table. My guess is they all have something to hide and will do whatever they have to in order to keep the public from finding out the truth. That is the only reasonable explanation for the cowardly behavior of the democrats in this and all the other crimes committed by the Bush/Cheney crime family. Its clear...we have a criminal administration and a congress running cover for them. We are not a democracy...we are a kleptocracy where the power wielders are more than happy to keep stealing money from the struggling masses. We should stop deluding ourselves into thinking we the people matter.

[cascadiance]

82. We have to make it CLEAR to Pelosi and gang, that the longer they wait...

... and the more the story comes out, that the general public will NO LONGER view them as being cowardly and "strategically motivated" for the 2008 election, but as being criminally complicit with these bums. If they AREN'T criminally complicit, then they DAMN WELL better start doing their job and holding them accountable. It's getting close to the point where they have nothing to lose doing impeachment any more, which can only lead us to a conclusion that they are also GUILTY AS SIN of impeachable offenses! Who's your daddy Nancy?!!!

[mntleo2]

110. Ignorance of the Law Is No Excuse

... and as the Nuremburg trial established, you cannot use as an excuse that you were merely following orders. I believe they know they will be held accountable merely for being compliant and they are terrified of it. Both of these tenants were used when people were judged as guilty for compliance some put to death for their crimes. Jane Harmon knew some things and did nothing, Diane Feinstein's war profitering husband made billions off her compliance, there are Dems who had a great deal to lose unless they remain silent or compliant. But you have to also remember many of them were openly amd vigorously kept out of the loop of information ~ repigs loudly and boisterously holding closed door meetings no Dems allowed, etc. for a Dem to get ANYTHING done for their districts, they had to compromise in an atmosphere of "my way or the highway."

Still what they knew, when they knew it and what they did with it would be an issue if they were to actually be held accountable and anyone who knows history knows it.

My 2 cents ...

Cat In Seattle

[Gonnuts]

118. because ...

... they're corrupt?

Did I win the all expense paid vacation in fabulous downtown Baghdad?

[midnight]

23. I might be a little harsh in my assessment of this story, but

it appears that Sibel Edmons is more patriotic than the #3 person at the state deprartment-Marc Grossman.

[mmonk]

25. Appearances can be correct.

[mmonk]

26. Where oh Where did the U.S. Media Go?

On January 6th, 2008 and January 20th, 2008, The Sunday Times of London broke a huge story internationally concerning the conduct of U.S. government officials that included passing nuclear secrets on the international blackmarket, sabotaging counter intelligence efforts, and a cover up in the F.B.I. of documentation( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece?Submitted=true , http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece ). It all concerns the ongoing saga of F.B.I. whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, a contract linguist or language specialist hired by the F.B.I. after September 11th, 2001 because they needed more translators, and what she heard listening to taped conversations in her job capacity and what she ran into on the job including moles for suspect interests and criminal activities. She has pursued this through all proper channels of government and her unclassified testimony to congress was retroactively classified by the Justice Department, in my opinion, through improper application of the "States Secrets Privilege", again, in my opnion, to silence her and protect corrupt parties rather than to protect intelligence methods. For background, I suggest readers go to reknown Sibel Edmonds case expert lukery's blog http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/ and Sibel's website http://www.justacitizen.com/ and Bradblog http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5582 .

The condition of the U.S. press concerning this story is well described by Daniel Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers fame at Bradblog http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5583 . But in hindsight, should we be surprised at the failure of today's media? Afterall, this is the media of Judith Miller and the selling of the Iraq war with all its lies and exaggerations and links to Scooter Libby and the media of Bob Novak who helped knock out counter proliferation efforts by exposing the identity of the C.I.A. 's Valerie Plame. In this crucial part of our history, the U.S. media no longer is the fourth estate or watchdog. It seems more to be an arm of government conspirators and cover up operations.
http://mmonk-ponderings.blogspot.com/

[StateSecrets]

37. Luke Ryland on Scott Horton Show

http://www.kaos959.com/

[Oilwellian]

38. Listening...

He's doing a great job. :D

[StateSecrets]

39. As always:-)

[mmonk]

42. Yep

[mmonk]

43. Well, he did well as usual.

[lukery]

78. downloadable

here

http://dissentradio.com/radio/08_01_21_ryland.mp3

[seemslikeadream]

96. thanks

[wildbilln864]

27. *k&r! n/t

[NoFederales]

28. Let's put the question to our competing Presidential Candidates:

Are you aware of this story? What does this story say about the state of American Politics? If it is true, why should Americans care, and what would you do about it if you become President?

Just dreamin'............

NoFederales

[mmonk]

30. Nice dream.

I've heard dreams can come true.

[fascisthunter]

31. Their Ignorance would be Seen as Complicity

So, if this issue is never brought up to them and out in public, they never have to exhibit either detriments right before an election.

This is why Americans, excluded a small minority really do deserve people like Bush and fascism itself. They allow it to happen by not fight for what is right.

[fascisthunter]

29. Kicking This in Hopes it Gets Front Page on DU (nt)

[Elspeth]

32. What happened to Grossman the mole?

And who was he working for?

[fascisthunter]

50. Good Questions

I want to know.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

34. Has anyone ever thought

about linking the story in one of the - Comments - sections in news stories at washington post.com?
That's one way to get some attention. I know they say the comments are previewed for content but this might slip by under an appropriate headline.


*edit
here's a link to a thread yesterday by kpete regarding Marc Grossman and missing documents at State Dept.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2728417&mesg_id=2728417

[AnnieBW]

35. Has anyone contacted Olbermann about this story?

This is the kind of stuff that he'd LOOOOVE to cover!

[JohnyCanuck]

40. I would find it very hard to believe he doesn't know about this already. n/t

[alfredo]

45. I think he has mentioned it.

[sellitman]

52. Kucinich should be told

At least he would care.

[Gonnuts]

119. bullshit ...

... if you're waiting for some one from the M$M, including Olberman, you'll be waiting a long time ... no one - and I mean NO ONE from corporate media in this country is going to tell anything they aren't TOLD to tell us ...

as a matter of fact I'm trying to figure out how it got exposed at all, especially through a Murdock publication anywhere on Earth.

[Lugnut]

36. K&R n/t

[balantz]

41. K&R

[Stalwart]

44. Google hits: 43 news, 7,643 blog

Results of hits on a google "news" search vs a google "blog" search.

The news search had the one obvious MSM hit.

MSM measures on circulation but then they have no measure of how much a story is read except for the headline on the front page which can be presumed to be 100%, at least for the headline. Maybe that is all that is necessary for anyone to make an informed (manipulated?) decision.

The equivalent measure for blogs would be hits. Blogs can't balance the MSM yet but look at the trend. MSM is going to go down. They have practiced their form of imperialism long enough. It is time for blowback and internet populism, the people's news.

Maybe this is the time that a very few will suddenly cause a large change? It only takes a major event. It has to be time compressed. That is the one problem with the current revelations. The impact of Sibel's most amazing whistle blowing is being spread out over time. When the MSM media finally makes any mention of it on page 2 they can say it was old news. If news can be made old it will not sell.

[HughMoran]

46. When is the MSM going to run with this?

Great post, but I've read the "final straw" post on DU a dozens times - when is the story going to show results in the real world.

[robertpaulsen]

48. Grossman met with 9/11 financier Mahmoud Ahmed on 9/10/01.

One man described as a pillar of the ATC that Edmonds has been able to talk about is Marc Grossman. http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/doug-feith-richard-perle-and-marc.html The same Marc Grossman who told Scooter Libby on June 11 or 12, 2003, more than a month before Novak’s column, about Wilson’s wife working at the CIA. http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001046.php The same Marc Grossman mentioned in the 1st edition of American Judas who had a meeting that was reported on September 10, 2001, as “most important” with General Mahmoud Ahmad, who resigned from being Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Chief the following month in the wake of an investigation by Times of India, confirmed by the FBI, that he authorized ISI agent Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 in August 2001 to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker of the 9/11 attacks. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essaysaeed.html When questioned in April 2006 by director Mathieu Verboud for an interview that was later cut out of a documentary about Sibel Edmonds titled Kill the Messenger, Grossman claimed he didn’t know anything about Sibel Edmonds or Valerie Plame. This cannot be true, according to Edmonds, because Grossman was one of three officials – the other two, she says, are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith – who had been watched by both Valerie Plame's Brewster Jennings & Associates CIA team, and by the major FBI investigation of organized crime and governmental corruption on which she herself was working until being terminated in April 2002. http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/doug-feith-richard-perle-and-marc.html

Now that yet another motivation for Cheney to blow Plame’s cover has been revealed, the role that Turkey plays in this game of “many dark actors” appears much larger. Edmonds has researched this extensively and wrote about it in a two part article in November 2006 titled The Hijacking of a Nation. To quote: “Turkey played a major role in Pakistan and Libya's illicit activities in obtaining nuclear technologies. In June 2004, Stephen Fidler, a reporter for Financial Times reported that in 2003, Turkish centrifuge motors and converters destined for Libya's nuclear weapons program turned up in Tripoli aboard a ship that had sailed from Dubai. One of those detained individuals in this incident, a 'respected and successful' Turkish Businessman, Selim Alguadis, was cited in a public report from the Malaysian inspector-general of police into the Malaysian end of a Pakistani-led clandestine network that supplied Libya, Iran and North Korea with nuclear weapons technologies, designs and expertise. According to the report, "he supplied these materials to Libya." Mr. Alguadis also confessed that he had on several occasions met A Q Khan, the disgraced Pakistani scientist who has admitted transmitting nuclear expertise to the three countries”. http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

One more dot to connect: is Dick Cheney directly affiliated with any of the “semi-legitimate organizations” in this international criminal conspiracy? While only a thorough binding investigation with subpoena power can determine this, the gagged former FBI translator has left a trail of breadcrumbs pointing investigators in the appropriate direction. Again from The Hijacking of a Nation, 'ATC is joined in the creation of the New EuroAsia by the American Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (AACC). AACC's Honorary Council of Advisors just happens to have General Scowcroft and the following persons of significance: Henry Kissinger and James Baker III. Former Council members include Dick Cheney and Richard Armitage, and Board of Trustee members include media-overkill subject Richard Perle of AEI, and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas.' http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

Interesting that Cheney is listed as having resigned from the AACC in November 2000. As though leaving the organization a month before the Supreme Court selected him to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency could cover up the fact that this American Judas has made more money selling the security of his country out for the greater profits of drugs, money laundering, arms sales and international terrorism than the 30 pieces of silver the Biblical Judas sold his friend Jesus Christ out for. This is a story that cannot be swept under the rug. It is a huge story, sometimes daunting, but it must be told, and those who are in the best position to tell it must no longer be silenced by a government that claims to be of the people, for the people and by the people. We, the people, hunger for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The outline of the truth has been mapped in this paper, but there are many more pieces of the puzzle to discover. It’s important to remember that no matter how many stories are listed here, it is still just one story. But to get the whole story, we must have a whole investigation. Nothing in our lifetime could be more important, because there is no greater endeavor than establishing justice. It’s what our Founding Fathers listed first in the Constitution for their priorities of forming “a more perfect union”. We owe it to them, and ourselves, to see the truth through to the end.

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

[seemslikeadream]

87. Grossman met with 9/11 financier Mahmoud Ahmed on 9/10/01.

Grossman met with 9/11 financier Mahmoud Ahmed on 9/10/01.


Do the math
http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html

[reprehensor]

131. Nice catch.

Copied you here;
http://911blogger.com/node/13498#comment-175212

[robertpaulsen]

135. Thanks for spreading the word.

Grossman is one major domino that needs to be knocked over.

[alfredo]

51. The story has hit Slashdot, one of the biggest geek sites

on the web. Slashdot can crash a site by just mentioning it (the slashdot effect). So much traffic will bring down all but the strongest servers.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/21/1732226

[StateSecrets]

58. Thank you...

...for the heads up.

[alfredo]

66. People from all over the world go there. The debate should

be quite spirited there.

[mmonk]

76. Wonderful

[bleever]

54. Recommended,

with gratitude to Sibel, Luke, Scott Horton, and everyone else keeping this story on an upward path to visibility.

[kineneb]

55. background connections: read "The Beast Reawakens"

(by Martin Lee) Some of this selling of secrets goes back to the founding of the CIA and the importation/use of high-ranking "ex" Nazis, in the so-called "fight against communism".

When the Turkish Grey Wolves were mentioned as one of the connections, I went back to Lee's book and said "aaack", the mess is involved with this group?

I am not being paranoid, just making even more connections. This is not new, and has been going on for some time. Ms. Edmonds simply noticed one facet of a huge enterprise.

[AntiFascist]

72. Excellent point, the selling of nuclear secrets has also been going on...

for quite a while. Look into Pollard and his alleged use of Inslaw software.

There was once a group of intelligence rogues called the Fifth Column who took it upon themselves to drain the offshore bank accounts of US government officials and give the funds back to the US Treasury. Now, the black hats seem to be winning and have taken over the MSM.

K&RRRR.

[AntiFascist]

80. Wow, speak of the devil...

http://w2.eff.org/legal/cases/INSLAW/inslaw_hr.summary

...

One of the organizational units that reports to Mark Richard is
the Office of Special Investigations (OSI). OSI's publicly-declared
mission is to locate and deport Nazi war criminals. The Nazi war
criminal program is, however, a front for the Justice Department's
own covert intelligence service, according to disclosures recently
made to INSLAW by several senior Justice Department career officials.

One undeclared mission of this covert intelligence service has
been the illegal dissemination of the proprietary version of PROMIS,
according to information from reliable sources with ties to the U.S.
intelligence community.

...

This is how the Shadow Government got started.

On edit: just to keep the right perspective:

They don't know squat about how dirty that
INSLAW deal was. If they ever find out half of it, they will
be sickened.

It is a lot dirtier for the Department of Justice than Watergate.

It is not just the breadth of it, but also the depth of it. The
Department of Justice has been compromised at every level.


- Statements attributed to a senior Justice Department
career official by the Chief Investigator of the Senate
Judiciary Committee in 1988

[AntiFascist]

122. Excellent article by Catherine Austin Fitts here....shhhhhhh!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00059.htm

Ms. Fitts is the former Assistant Secretary of Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner during the first Bush Administration, a former managing director and member of the board of directors of Dillon Read & Co. Inc. and President of The Hamilton Securities Group, Inc.

There is a standard line you hear when you try to talk to people in Washington, D.C. about the flood of narcotics operations and money laundering in Arkansas during the 1980s. “Oh, those allegations were entirely discredited,” they say. This is not so. Thanks to numerous journalists and members of the enforcement community, the documentation on Mena drug running and the related money laundering is quite serious and makes the case that the government was engaged or complicit in significant narcotics trafficking. This includes the various relationships to employees of the National Security Council, the Department of Justice and the CIA under Vice President Bush’s leadership and ...

...

PROMIS, allegedly used to launder money, including funds for the arms and drugs transactions working through Arkansas. Norman’s story allegedly implicated Weinberger in taking kickbacks through a Swiss account from Seal’s smuggling operation.

...

[sojourner]

56. kick for you kpete--recommended for sibel .

[HCE SuiGeneris]

57. The travesty of our times. Criminals occupying the WH.

K & R

[anamandujano]

60. Thanks for the kicks.

It's good to see required reading on the front page before I get lost in the mud slinging threads.

[lovuian]

61. And why didn't Fitz know this??? Isn't this pertinent to Plame case

Grossman is a traitor and Cheney and Rove outed Plame to destroy Brewster & Jennings

It proves we have spies in our agencies allowed to go where they will

And Turkey just invaded Iraq recently

[seemslikeadream]

88. It was the sand lovuian

:hi:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

103. but they taped over the emails?

[frog92969]

62. K&R and a big Thank You

[Generator]

68. DU'ers speculated years ago that it was actually

Brewster Jennings that was the target as much as Plame. Is that not what I'm reading here? That oh it wasn't just a payback against Wilson but much much more.

Let me guess? Turkey was working through these contacts to get nuclear weapons to sell to an axis of evil friend. A country that starts with an I.

For one billion dollars, Alex.

[nolabels]

112. It would seem to me that Brewster Jennings was the real target

The hit on Plame was too well orchestrated, almost like it was scored by a cheap playwright. Having the need to avenge spite seems rather trivial and does not seem what was done here, there were probably hundreds of ways *co and company could went after a Plame if needed. They chose a way that they knew would get kicked around. They effectively put up a smoke screen to hide all of the crap that Dick and other friends had been doing for years before they got in office. The Plame deal was a set up all along it would seem to me.

Like i would not give them that much credit either because they really don't seem that smart to me. It is much of the same old pattern with a slight twist of Rove. The deal is that they pulled the same kind of stunts during they Raygun /bush years but just not as blatant

[santamargarita]

70. Let's keep this going...

Excellent work, kpete...

[bobthedrummer]

71. k&r

[me b zola]

73. K&R

[TomClash]

74. I smell the stench of AIPAC lurking in the air somewhere nt

[lukery]

77. AIPAC

the aipac link is discussed here
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2007/11/sibel-edmonds-case-untellable-story-of.html

[RadioactiveCarrot]

79. Much more important then shining a celebrity light on a candidate...

Gracias OP and Sibel.
Major news carrier needs to dig this. Already got the first 2 articles from the UK times bookmarked and linked to a hefty bit of people. It's like a blackout here in the States though, and deafening.

[scarletwoman]

83. Rec'd, of course. (nt)

[Garbo 2004]

85. 1997: Valerie Plame was attending reception at home of Turkey's ambassador when she met Joe Wilson.

Although Joe Wilson had previously written of their first meeting at this reception in DC, it apparently does not appear in Plame's own memoir. Can't tell if she simply omitted the story (which would seem odd) or if it was in a blacked out section censored by the CIA.

Of course the CIA evidently censored much that was already public knowledge and of no obvious national security value. Chronologically in the book, heavily blacked out by CIA censors, where you would expect at least some discussion of the appearance of this significant man in her life, there is no visible mention of Plame meeting or becoming involved with Joe Wilson. After a considerably censored section, there is just a comment of her and "Joe" being consumed by their respective responsibilities (even what this "Joe" did for a living was censored). Bizarre.

[classykaren]

91. watch video by EX CIA agent Please

www.brasschecktv.com/page261html

[seemslikeadream]

92. link isn't working

:hi:

[classykaren]

120. IT was working till I put it on the daily kos

someone didnt want this information spread around god help us all

[jonnyra]

134. Interesting note...

I work as a contractor for a large corporation that makes jet engines and goes by a name with 2 letters. I have gotten on the internet at lunch before checked my favorite blogs. I can goto DU, SC, TPM, HP...but when I try to go to Kos I get a warning that we are not allowed to visit blogs on the corporate network. Kos is a lightening rod for right wing attacks and spying.

Let the sacking of America continue at all costs to the people.

[Uncle Joe]

93. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[annabanana]

94. kick goddam it.... WE knew... we knew ... we knew....n/t-

[bonito]

95. KICK!

[Mutineer]

97. Let's see how many major american news organizations

ignore this, as they have done, from day one.

[lukery]

98. harry shearer

Harry Shearer is on the job at Huffpo, kinda
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harry-shearer/why-does-rupert-define-th_b_82552.html

Head over there and give him some love, because he says that he only learnt about the case from someone leaving a comment there at his blog.

[mmonk]

109. Forgot my password.

Huffington is taking their time in getting it to me.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

101. OMG, just got home during the debate, then came to the Greatest and saw this.

Holy sh**.

:kick:

Tell your friends and family.

Email the link.

Ask your LOCAL news station affiliate why no one is covering this. Can they be the outlet which breaks the story.

Call your congressperson.

Holy sh**

:kick: MKJ

[orleans]

106. 150th recommendation! kicking too. (i wish this story would soar) n/t

[lukery]

107. Sibel's story goes primetime

Ok - you guys have been great with Sibel's story over the years - but i never thought I'd see THIS during primary season



Now - if only we can get the two top slots at dkos we might start making some real progress. And soon, the top two slots at the NYT.

[file83]

114. Cheers to you lukery for keeping us updated/informed over the years about Sibel's story

You. Rock.
:yourock:

[AikidoSoul]

108. A big thank you to everyone who works on this

this is the most important story out there right now.

Need to contact the MSM and put more pressure on them to report it.

Kicked and recommended.

[file83]

113. Why do I get the feeling the Bush Admin actually WANTS a nuke to go off in our country?

I mean, that they would want it to happen so badly they would actually facilitate/protect/cover-up the sale of these weapons/supplies to elements that could very easily turn them around on us?

Or, even better for them, said elements may attempt to use them against us in the field of battle so then our nation goes into FULL SCALE war mode, ad infinitum?

Isn't that what was really going on hear? I mean, it couldn't have been because they wanted to make a few quick bucks by selling some secrets/supplies.

This reeks of a larger agenda.

[proReality]

115. K&R n/t

[lala_rawraw]

116. Kpete, as always

you rock. just want to make sure though that people understand that Plame does not equal Brewster Jennings... she is one thing, BJ is a whole other thing with other resources and assets. it has a long history. so while BJ cover was blown from what we now know, that does not mean Plame's cover was blown. that said, what a coincidence is it not?

[livvy]

124. A convenient twofer? n/t

[Swagman]

126. good interview with Valerie Plame on Aussie radio

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2008/2117178.htm

[Wapsie B]

127. K & R

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

128. Wiki- Grossman

Valerie Plame Affair

Grossman played a peripheral role in the Plame Affair.

On 10 June 2003, an analyst at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) sent a memo to Ambassador Grossman outlining Ambassador Joseph Wilson's trip to Niger and mentioning that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. Reportedly, Grossman wanted the memo as background to use at a White House meeting on criticism of President Bush for using the Niger claim in his State of the Union speech.

According to the Washington Post, Grossman has refused to answer questions about the memo. The Post says it is not clear if Grossman actually talked about the memo or mentioned Mrs. Wilson at the meeting.<1>

On 6 July 2003, Richard Armitage asked the head of INR, Carl Ford, to send a copy of the memo to Colin Powell aboard Air Force One.

In Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on October 28, 2005, Grossman is the Under Secretary of State mentioned as giving information about Plame to Libby.

It has been suggested by Libby's legal defense that Grossman is biased because, according to Theodore Wells, Libby's defense lawyer, Grossman and Wilson went to college and came up through the ranks of the State Department together.<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Grossman



:wtf:

[conscious evolution]

130. Sounds like treason to me

Hang their ass's high.

[lostnfound]

133. Action in DC - Today (Wed 1/23) Grossman appearing in congress on unrelated matter

http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/action-alert-grossman-to-appear-in-dc.html

Action Alert. Grossman to appear in DC Wednesday 10am

Marc Grossman will be attending a congressional committee hearing on Wednesday January 23 (tomorrow) at 10am, at Room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building.

Grossman will be appearing in front of the National Security and Foreign Affairs subcommittee of the Oversight Committee on an unrelated matter.

We want you to hand out flyers and two recent articles to the various Congressmen, their staff, and attendant media.

..take video cameras and capture the whole thing.