Howard Dean on Rachel Maddow Today

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Source: Air America Web Site

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TODAY'S SHOW: TUESDAY, JANUARY 15TH 2008
by Vanessa Silvert... on January 15, 2008 - 3:41pm.


On today's show Rachel will be talking to Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America

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[MichiganVote]

1. The not quite 50 state strategy....n/t

[madfloridian]

4. MI has an inflated sense of their importance right now.

Other states are suffering

[MichiganVote]

6. Your opinion has been made available---daily. I think we get the message.

[madfloridian]

17. I am not done either.

The rules are the same as when Terry Mac threatened Levin and MI.

[spoony]

20. No shit, you'd think they'd care that their vote has been thrown away too.

But no, it's all our fault. How dare we challenge the primacy of small nonrepresentative states? How dare we ask what candidates plan on doing for the economy their comrades have destroyed? How dare we think a vote in a primary counts toward delegates.

[LisaM]

2. I hope she rips him about Michigan

Unemployment 50% above the national average and the national party couldn't bother to pay attention - no, they had to go have a party in Las Vegas today instead, and celebrate the conversion of manufacturing jobs into a service economy. Bleah on him.

[madfloridian]

3. Michigan is not the only state that is in trouble, and not the only important state.

Oh, gee, the DNC stood up for the 48 states that are just as important as MI and FL.

[LisaM]

5. Michigan was in a one-state recession long before this election

Now it appears that the recession has spread. What I'm saying is that the national party should have understood ahead of time that the economy would be a major issue so that the candidates were forced to focus on it.

[madfloridian]

9. And how does an early primary help your recession?

Two states do not have dibs over the other 48.

[MichiganVote]

7. Yeah, DNC sure is grateful we did all that work to defeat DeVos...

[madfloridian]

11. Why didn't you get mad when McAuliffe was going to strip delegates..

when he had it out with Levin?? Nobody got mad then.

"Expletives were flying. The head of the Democratic National Committee was having it out with Sen. Carl Levin because Michigan wanted to crash the rarefied club of early presidential primary states.

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

[Justitia]

8. I miss Terry McAuliffe so much it hurts!

:sarcasm:

[madfloridian]

10. Terry threatened Michigan with loss of delegates to Boston. Nobody got mad at him.

A wee bit suspicious there, don't you think? When Terry did it it was fine, when Dean does it...sue his butt.

It was OK when Terry threatened Michigan.

Expletives were flying. The head of the Democratic National Committee was having it out with Sen. Carl Levin because Michigan wanted to crash the rarefied club of early presidential primary states.

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

[Justitia]

12. Terry always made assholish comments like the Boston / television thing.

And unfortunately, they were almost always directed at the rank and file of the Dem party.

Which is why having him as party chairman seems like a lifetime ago, but yet, not long enough ago.

[madfloridian]

13. But he was fine with MI....yet now MI hates Dean. Go figure.

The whole thing goes above my head.

[ZinZen]

16. The poster you were tangling with

kind of ran out responses after you showed him what Terry McAwful said in 2004.

Don't mess with Dean!

[spoony]

21. Piss on Dean.

What is he going to do? Make my vote count for negative 1? Fuck him.

[shireen]

14. i don't understand this Michigan deal ...

if the Dem. primaries will not result in picking delegates,
1) what's the whole point of this Dem primary?
2) how will Michigan delegates be picked?
3) how the hell did this mess happen?

I've not had time to keep up with this. Any answers would be appreciated ...

[napi21]

19. The mess began way back when the Dem primary calendar was

being decided. There WAS a final agreement, and all the States accepted the calendar. BUT then some States got all up in a huff because they decided they were tired of Iowa and NH always being first and having too much influence on our candidate, so they changed their date! This isn't the first time the various states griped about IA & NH, but it's the first time they went this far. It really was getting out of hand. Every time a State moved their date back closer to Jan. IA would move theirs. There was a concern that Ia voters might be caucasing in December!

It WASN'T Dean who caused all this, it was the individual State Dems! They were told if they disregarded the rules THAT THEY HAD ALREADY AGGREED WITH that they would lose their delegates to the convention. Mich & Fl said FU, so they lost their delegates to the convention.

As I understand it, unless we have a brokered convention, the chosen Dem candidate will be able to allow delegates from both candidates to vote at the convention.

We'll see.

[navarth]

15. whoa, guys, please let's not have a MI - FL fight

Michigan does not hate Howard Dean. We do not all think the same way, as it is in the also great state of Florida.

Ok?

[madfloridian]

18. Both states are dead wrong, and they hurt everyone in the party.

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[navarth]

23. no argument there

[madfloridian]

22. It was a very good interview, BTW

Quite excellent.