How the hell is Hillary supposed to unite the country

[Laura PourMeADrink]

when she is dividing us? Her veiled disenfranchement efforts in Las Vegas are just so appalling to me - it makes me sick to my stomach.

Let's see, say she wins with 51% of the country (assumed that half of us would vote for her while holding our noses). Then she leads the country with only 26.5% of real support. Hell, that would just be like what we have today ! A "leader" that's only fully supported by a quarter to a third of the population.

Our big chance to make a difference in this country and the world. We deserve better than this.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. "Her veiled disenfranchement efforts in Las Vegas"

Nonsense. Why should certain voters have a better chance than others to vote? No voter should ever get special treatment, all should have an equal right to vote.

[Kittycat]

2. Again, it wasn't a problem until she didn't get the Culinary Nod.

sour grapes.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. The Teacher's Union filed the law suit, yes?

Why shouldn't they be allowed to vote in the 11 AM to 1 PM caucus?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. Their union leader said ithey CAN vote - it's not the teachers -

it's the janitors in the schools, supposedly.

[blondeatlast]

25. With all due respect, have you been to LV? The traffic on the Strip

is outrageously slow. In addition, the casino workers have very staggered hours and don't make the wages that even teachers do.

They need this and no one had a problem with this until the endorsements were given.

[Emit]

3. The at-large caucuses in LV casinos were agreed upon

with some of the Teachers' Union members' (at least two that I am aware of who are involved in this lawsuit were present) approval back in March. It wasn't a problem for them back then -- it was passed with unanimous consent. :shrug:

[papau]

8. I agree -its unequal ability to vote- but the real problem is using a "caucus" rather than a primary

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. But if this lawsuit wins, the culinary people will NOT have an

equal opportunity to caucus. They will be working. The casino caucus sites were set up before the Obama endorsement to allow these people to caucus. Their union got it done. This coming weekend will be busy - three day weekend. The teachers won't be working so will have ample opportunity to caucus.

[blondeatlast]

26. Traffic on the LV Strip is a bloody NIGHTMARE 24/7, too. The agreement is fair.

I've come around to this after being convinced otherwise.

I think your indictment of Clinton is pretty harsh, and this Edwards supporter will vote for her in November if I must, but the lawsuit is a sham and a half. However, I don't think HRC is DIRECTLY involved in it.

I would like to see her make a statement on it though.

[Yael]

4. The problem as I see it is that she isn't working with a neutral

half of this country hates her as much (if not more) than the other half hates Cheney.

No win.

[Rydz777]

5. None of the candidates is capable of uniting the country. To

think so is an illusion, neither Hillary, nor Obama, nor Edwards, and certainly none of the Republicans will unite this badly fractured country.

The best we can hope for is a united Democratic Party in control of the Presidency and the Congress pushing a reform agenda in the face of continuing flak from both the Republicans and the MSM.

And the fact that we will still be at war and be in economic stagflation will only acerbate the divisions.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. I agree. BUT, we can broaden - and add indies and liberal

repukes to build a coalition.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. every primary season is divisive. dean and clark wards were much harsher than this

[OHdem10]

9. HRC can unite as well as anyone else.

Poll yesterday shows Country divided by race.

Talk all you want about unity and just the opposite
has occured.

HRC can create as much unity as anyone.

[AlertLurker]

10. Stop making sense!

Obviously another sexist, anti-Hillary post. Why do you hate democracy?

Shut the hell up, hold your nose and vote like everyone else.

:sarcasm:

[ladjf]

11. Sen. Clinton is a living political expediency machine. She reacts

rather than leads. Those qualities will not help her to consolidate Americans.

[LeFleur1]

12. No One is Going to Unite This Country

Unless they give in to the Republicans on every issue, lead in the passage of a bill that makes Baptist the Religion of the Republic, hands over all tax money to corporations and churches, forgets about the poor and unfortunate in every way, including health care, forgets about the Constiution...and on and on and on.
What we need is a strong president who is willing to govern by following the Constitution, willing to be the people's president, and to be accountable to the people.

[ladjf]

14. I don't disagree. The best candidate may be the one who could

unite to a reasonable degree. That is, at least a majority approve of the administration rather than this 28% stuff we are now suffering with.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. deleted

[Rageneau]

16. Like most criticisms of Hillary, yours is an opinion, not a fact.

And opinions are like assholes; Everybody has one.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Yes, opinion based on fact. 1/2 the country will never vote for

her. At least half of the dems don't like her. So there you go - 25% is not unity.

[NNN0LHI]

13. I have no intention of uniting with the toe tapping, diaper wearing, child molesting Repigs

Just so we have that straight.

Don

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. LOL - Yep, you got that right. There is no concensus building

with many subjects - like war. I mean you either want to stay there in Iraq
or you want to bolt. No compromise position there.

Took me a minute to figure out that by unity - Obama doesn't really mean
ALL the people. Just the Dems and anyone else, with sense, to jump on
the bandwagon. But on topics - there could be unity. Most people want
out of Iraq, most want health care, most want to clean up the environment....

[NNN0LHI]

28. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you think you can build a consensus with Repigs you have been fooled. Their idea of consensus building is telling us its their way or the highway.

:rofl:

Don

[KharmaTrain]

15. Big Picture Time Again...

Next November you will have a couple of choices to make as to where this country goes for the next 4 years. The choices will be stark...and the stakes will be high. Do you favor a withdrawl of troops from Iraq vs. 10,000 years? Do you favor more Scalitos on the SCOTUS when two or three seats come up in the next couple years? Do you want more tax breaks for the rich...including making the boooshie cuts permanent while running up more defecits? Those are just a few of the choices.

There's a long way to go until election day...and how can anyone forecast the mood of the country and how they will or won't vote. In 1968, many considered Nixon too polarizing to win. His negatives were just as strong as Hillary's going into that election, but a divided Democratic party (similar to the ruptures we're seeing in the GOOP) along with a strong third party (Ron Paul anyone???) sure made him very electable.

If Senator Clinton in the nominee next November, your choice will be to either look forward and vote for what you think is in the best interests in the country...or continue fighting the primaries and stay home or vote for a third party. I'm surely not voting for my best friend or ideal candidate, I'm looking for the one who won't screw up this country any worse than it is...and start moving us back on the path of sanity.

[557188]

17. Why do we want to unite?

Fuck the right wing.

I want a president that will challenge and fight them. Not one that wants to accept and hug them.

[Xenotime]

29. Can we have one that would do away with them?

[opihimoimoi]

24. There is no uniting this Nation.....the Pubs are Pubs....just as one cannot change personality

the Pubs cannot change their affiliation....reluctant at best. Stubborn, Loyal, persistent, willing to ignore reason/common sense, they waddle on in this World scammin what ever stands in their way of Political ambitions...

Most of the crap describing her is Pub BS ...their goal is to weaken the Dem Party and Hillary is a target of the Pub Bullies.

[RiverStone]

27. Good question --- and it's one my small sample of Dem friends,

coast to coast have no clue how to answer.

Hopefully, it will be a moot point.

I'd like to see Hillary as a leader in the Senate; I can't fathom her as any better a "uniter" then Shrub. Though I prefer her positions (by a long shot) over his, she is just as divisive for very different reasons.

Either way --- we don't move forward (much anyway).

[Mutineer]

30. She can't

but there are those who just refuse to face facts where she is concerned

[TankLV]

31. And obama can't even tolerate us gay people - STILL...

yes - we deserve better than him, too...

[TankLV]

32. the goal is not to "unite" the country - it's to get enough votes to WIN and FORCE the CHANGE...

Just enough to STOP the repuke assholes and give OUR side a chance to RESTORE the progress we were making until the REPUKES took over...

I want MORE partisanship - only repukes talk about bipartisanship crap...

[LucyParsons]

33. I don't anyone in the 'real world' who is for her

And I have a politically diverse peer group.

The rightwing have an irrational, visceral hatred for her. The leftwing (such as myself) see her as a warmongering, pro-corporate, opportunistic DLCer. I hope I am not forced to vote for her in November. The only reason I will hold my nose and vote for her is federal court appointments.

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