Do you think that Hillary Clinton's policies ......

[BooScout]

....are founded pretty much along the same lines as Bill Clinton's policies?

[DJ13]

1. founded pretty much along the same lines as Bill Clinton's policies?

Republican Lite.

Name one true progressive (liberal) policy Bill Clinton got passed as President?

[BooScout]

2. So that would be a yes from you then? n/t

[DJ13]

6. So that would be a yes from you then?

Hillary has always been the brains of the couple.

I'll leave it at that.

[dmallind]

5. raised taxes on high earners

making the tax base more progressive than it was...

...now I'll wait for you to redefine progressive taxation as "only if the rich pay X%" where X is higher than Clinton's......

[DJ13]

9. raised taxes on high earners

........is actually fiscally CONSERVATIVE.

I meant liberal in social programs, but you knew that, and you also know he did nothing (and "dont ask..." is military, not a social program).

[dmallind]

10. Well by definition it is progressive

and please tell me which conservative supports high taxes on high earners.

But hey if you want to change the rules since you neither specified nor implied social policy how about the AWB? Lots of conservatives want to ban guns because of ugly cosmetic details...

[MyNameGoesHere]

12. I don't know

but this is what he did and couldn't get through.

To label him a republican lite is neither true nor false. And the Democratic congress was just a tough on him as the wing nuts.

* 1993-02-05 - Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993
* 1993-08-10 - Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Raised income tax rates; income tax, top rate: 39.6%; corporate tax: 35%
* 1993-09-21 - creation of the AmeriCorps volunteer program
* 1993-11-30 - Brady Bill
* 1994-09-13 - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, part of an omnibus crime bill, the federal death penalty was expanded to some 60 different offenses (see Federal assault weapons ban)
* 1996-02-01 - Communications Decency Act
* 1996-02-08 - Telecom Reform Act: eliminated major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups.
* 1996-02-26 - Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, a welfare reform bill
* 1996-03-14 - authorized $100 million counter-terrorism agreement with Israel to track down and root out terrorists.
* 1996-04-09 - Line Item Veto Act
* 1996-04-24 - Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act
* 1996-08-20 - Minimum wage Increase Act
* 1996-09-21 - Defense of Marriage Act, allowed states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law
* 1997-08-05 - Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
* 1998-10-28 - Digital Millennium Copyright Act
* 1998-10-31 - Iraq Liberation Act



Major legislation vetoed

* national budget
* H.R. 1833, partial birth abortion ban
* Twice vetoed welfare reform before signing
* the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Congress overrode the veto, however, to enact the bill into law.

Proposals not passed by Congress

* Health care reform
* Campaign finance reform (1993)

Initiatives

* Tried to get Ehud Barak of Israel and Yasser Arafat of the Palestinian National Authority, to agree to a final settlement agreement.
* Initiated the Don't ask, don't tell policy toward gays in the military, 1993.
* Reversed a ban on senior Sinn Féin politicians entering the U.S.
* Proposed a national challenge to end the racial divide in America, the One America Initiative.
* Extraordinary rendition got approval for the first time in the USA from the Clinton administration.

[dmallind]

15. Damn that fascist FMLA! NT

klj

[maddiejoan]

3. I think she would be to the left of Bill Clinton

[Romulox]

7. On which issues? "Free trade"? Nope. H1B visas? Nope. War in Iraq/Iran? Nope.

:shrug:

[Captain Hilts]

11. I think her priorities are more left than his, even if the actual polices are not. nt

[maddiejoan]

13. This is what I'm saying

thank you, from a Mets fan, Mookie.

[Captain Hilts]

17. Priorities can make all the differences in the world, can't they? nt

[maddiejoan]

18. I think so.

I know they do for me.

[lapfog_1]

19. Based on what?

Not her record since becoming the junior Senator from New York.

[maddiejoan]

20. actually

that's exactly what I'm basing it on.

[lapfog_1]

21. Could you list all of her votes since becoming Senator

please? Don't cherry pick.

And list the Bush nominees to his cabinet and to the Federal Bench and tell me how the senator voted on each.

Thank you.

[maddiejoan]

24. Look it up yourself

I'm not your dancing monkey

but here's a good place to start

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011131.php

[lapfog_1]

25. You are the one who stated that she is left of Bill

and then you stated that this is based on her record.

So I am simply asking what in her record leads you to believe that she is left of Bill. Not her speeches or position papers, what in her record.

I'm guessing that you don't want to post her voting record because it would show that, if anything, she is to the right of not only Bill Clinton, but many of the progressive Democrats that we have in the Senate... for example, Barbara Boxer and Russ Feingold.

I wasn't making you my "monkey". If you asked me about my support of a candidate, I would be happy to give you chapter and verse, mostly because you and a few hundred other people might read it... and possibly support my candidate. I currently don't have a candidate for President. Thought you might take this opportunity to illustrate why I should support Hillary.

[maddiejoan]

26. Thank you

for not even bothering to go to my link.

[lapfog_1]

28. I did.

It's an opinion piece written by another blogger.

One could just as easily written something here that says "careful analysis of Senator Clinton's voting record shows her to be far more progressive than corporatist" and then referenced that in some other location.

In fact, let me make an analysis for you.

Senator Clinton's record shows that she is far more Neocon than most Democrats.

Doesn't prove that she IS, but it's easy to write an analysis. And if I cherry pick her votes, I bet I can make the argument stick.

[leftofthedial]

4. yes, but she's MUCH more of a hawk

and shares the neocon contempt for legal constraints on the executive brand and for civil liberties

[bryant69]

16. I don't know - Clinton was pretty keen on projecting American Power

Even in his day. And world conditions have changed considerably since the relatively placid times he presided over.

I know it's fashionable to bash the Clintons (they are not my favorite people either), but I'm not sure I've seen evidence that they have contempt for Civil LIberties.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[leftofthedial]

22. for PATRIOT Act (or willing to skip the votes)

and against attempts to eliminate some of its provisions . . .

Even on Press the Meat yesterday, Senator Clinton made it clear that preserving executive power was a higher priority to her than averting the invasion of Iraq.

[bryant69]

23. I don't see that as conclusive

Although other candidates certainly acquitted themselves better on both issues.

Bryant

[paulk]

8. I think that she is fundamentally more liberal than he is,

but a lot will depend on the makeup of the Congress. Bill Clinton tried some pretty liberal things in his first two years in the White House - rescinding the Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy (passed without a single Republican vote, btw), Hllary's attempt at universal healthcare, a try for gays in the military - which cost him dearly and ended up with the crappy "don't ask don't tell" compromise - his reward for this was a Republican Congress for the next six years, a Congress, which under Newt Gingrich, was mostly occupied in bringing down the Clintons in any way possible. It's hard to know what Bill Clinton could have accomplished with a Democratic Congress.

[papau]

14. I agree

[Captain Hilts]

27. VERY good point. There was only so much he could do with a Rep. Congress. nt