Riddle me this. How does a pro-war rethug (and they all are) win

[babylonsister]

this year when more than 50% of the country is anti-war? And this should be more of an issue.

[Chovexani]

1. Diebold.

:(

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Fraud... and it is alive and well

what amazes me is the hide my head in the sand attitude round these parts

[RuleOfNah]

3. I would guess Republican criminal ties would be more troublesome an issue.

Especially campaign trails that cross State lines.

[Selatius]

4. Listen to what Hermann Goering said 60 years ago:

[babylonsister]

11. Prescient, wasn't he. nt

[Selatius]

14. I like to think yesterday's fascists were more honest in expressing contempt for democracy.

Now, they mask that contempt and attempt to preserve the veneer of democracy even though democracy is long gone. I can't tell which one is worse, the one who tells you what he's going to do or the one who hides all his plans until it's too late to stop them.

[jlake]

5. They can be manipulated into it because it is under the guise of Security and safety.

[Kucinich4America]

16. And who would be behind such manipulation?

Clinton heightens terrorism rhetoric
Posted by Marcella Bombardieri, political reporter January 7, 2008 02:11 PM

DOVER, N.H. – Facing the prospect of defeat in tomorrow’s primary, Hillary Clinton just made her strongest suggestion yet that the next president may face a terrorist attack – and that she would be the best person to handle it.

She pointed out that the day after Gordon Brown took office as the British prime minister, there was a failed attempt at a double bombing in London and Glasgow.

“I don’t think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister,” she said. “They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do…. Let’s not forget you’re hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down.”

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/clinton_heighte.html

[jlake]

30. I think that it comes from "the powers that be" Not Clinton, Obama or Kucinich etc

the question is who will be able to effectively stand up to manufactured threats.

[lvx35]

6. People have weird priorities with their issues

Immigration is a biggy, and trying to "fix" the economy by voting conservative is another. People can be against the war, but it can be because "nothing can be done for them damn Ay-rabs" and their real priority is building a great berlin wall on the south border.

[babylonsister]

13. I read that McCain, my biggest fear, is pro amnesty for illegal

people (from here on, I refuse! to call anyone an alien).

[lvx35]

20. Wow! Good idea, I like "illegal people"

It really brings out the Orwellian undertones in our current immigration debate...

I haven't heard with McCain, but I wouldn't be surprised. He's been playing the center pretty hard, I just heard him actually address global warming and alternative energy today, which could earn him some less dumb moderates. The question is how deeply he has offended the hard-core Republicans, who seem to take things like global warming denial to be almost like religious doctrine. Florida is going to reveal a lot to me about the Republican race, its too early for me to tell where they stand now on this stuff.

[babylonsister]

21. No, Clinton was for illegals before she was against them.

I read tonight McCain was for amnesty. I was impressed, and that's the only thing that's ever impressed me about him recently.

[lvx35]

26. hehe. Little knee jerk reaction there?

Clinton/Obama seem to have permeated our minds a little too much lately, I thought we were talking about McCain!

I don't think McCain is impressive or exciting on anything, even to Republicans. He's safe, he's not "fishy" like some. He's their saltines candidate. :)

[lapfog_1]

7. First you let the war slide off the radar screen

by keeping it out of the news.

Then, when it IS in the news (like, say, when 6 marines die in a raodside bombing), your corporate news continues with articles about how "violence is down" and "things are going better albeit slowly" (with no one looking to see WHY the violence is down or even really checking any facts to see if it really IS better).

With it off the front pages and the headlines... then it's possible to get another pro-war Republican OR Democrat elected because health care or merging church/state or 9.11 is the issue.

Pretty simple.

[fujiyama]

8. The media says...

McCain is still a "maverick".

He's still is an "independent voice".

And the surge is working...

[Fovea]

9. False Flag Attack

the same way they succeeded with the coup.

[JeffR]

10. Watch for the eventual nominee to cautiously introduce terms like

'Phased withdrawal' and 'strategic redeployment' nto stump speeaches, all the while talking up how great the Surge has been and advocating a 'this time for sure' escalation above what Bush already has ordered, just to be able, once again, to declare 'Mission Accomplished'.

Makes no sense, runs counter to the intuition of anyone with an IQ of 43, and it's gonna eat up a lot of expensive airtime when one of these cretins gets the nomination. Versus the cut'n'run Dems, the tax'n'spend liberals, the socialist blame-America-firsters. They won't even bother re-writing these stupid catchphrases. They can't afford to, based on what I've read about their fundraising.

[babylonsister]

12. I remember posting something

that Obama said. It will take 16 months, I think he said. And I was afraid that was too long term. Maybe that's too ambitious.

It's going to take a lot, but anyone who wants to try is okay in my book vs. hoping for a war without end.

[Kucinich4America]

15. How does a pro war "Democrat" win?

In fact, how is such a person even allowed to pose as a member of the Democratic party?

[babylonsister]

19. We don't have one. nt

[Kucinich4America]

23. Refer to post #16

Also refer to Kyl-Lieberman ammendment.

[Kucinich4America]

24. Refer to post #16

Also refer to Kyl-Lieberman ammendment.

[CK_John]

17. That's an easy one, they start a new war. n/t

[Radical Activist]

18. "My opponent is a flip-flopper who voted for the war too!"

That's how. It worked last time.

[Hekate]

22. Between our Dem circular firing squad and Repub vote-fraud machinery, it could happen.

Not that it makes me happy to contemplate, Babylonsis...

Hekate

[Xithras]

25. Because war is not the top issue for most voters right now.

Maslows hierarchy of needs. Basic human mental processes. From most to least important:

1. Sustanance of life. Food, water, air.
2. Security of ones own life, health, and the life and health of the immediate family. Security of home and resources to survive.
3. Need for friendship, family, intimacy.
4. Need for self esteem. Need for respect from others. Need to respect others. Need for achievement.
5. Creativity, need for personal growth and acceptance of others. Need for personal self-improvement.

According to Maslow, and decades of research backs him up, human needs operate on these basic levels. Higher level concerns become secondary when lower level concerns are threatened. We don't usually worry about gaining the respect of our peers when we're starving to death. When someone puts a gun to our head, we don't often stop to wonder whether that hottie in accounting is really interested in us.

The problem is that, to most people, Iraq is a 4th level issue (need to respect others, need to achieve a victory over an ideology we disagree with), and to others it's actually a 5th level issue.

Our ongoing economic implosion, on the other hand, is a second level issue for most of us, and a first level issue for some of us. People aren't worried about the well being of people on the other side of the planet when their own homes, their own jobs, and their own well being is at risk.

And that's how Republicans might win. If the economic slide continues and they can convince the voters that THEY have a better plan to save their homes/jobs/lives than the Democrats do, then the Republicans could win. While people do sometimes vote against their own self-interests, they don't often vote against their own survival.

[Skittles]

27. because repukes care more about the GOP than they do about America

it's as simple, and disgusting, as that

[radfringe]

28. another 9-11 type attack a month before the (s)elections should do it...n/t

[deacon]

29. It's absolute madness. Mccain is a super war monger and hillary and obama are the same on the war.

It's 5 damn years and this war needs to end fast.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

31. By focussing on gay marriage, immigration, "terrorism" and Christianity.

There are plenty of issues the GOP can use to get their base out and frighten undecideds away from the Democrats.