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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:03 PM
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This Land
For Christmas PJ's grandparents gave her a CD called "This Land Is Your Land," put out by Music for Little People. My partner's parents bought it because profits from its sale go to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and they were under the erroneous impression that she once worked there during the summer. (She did work in public interest law in the south, but it's not the same thing.) Anyway, basically it's a collection of "songs of unity," some new and some folk classics covered by contemporary artists, interspersed with inspiring readings of poetry, quotes from civil rights leaders, passages about human rights and human dignity and so on.

The basic message is not new--all people are equal, we must love our brothers and sisters all over the world, respect for difference is good, racism and oppression and injustice are bad and must be fought, and so on. All the same, listening to it I found myself wanting to cry, even though part of me remained aware at all times of a certain, well, dorkiness, and at the same time overproduced commercialism involved in the whole project. I realized at some point that it was because of PJ. What she grows up hearing in our house will have some impact on what she believes about the world and what her values are. By playing a CD like this around her we are endorsing the values it represents and trying to share them with her.

We want her to believe in things like equality, justice, community, and solidarity. We want her to believe that the world can be changed by ordinary people, and that she can have a part in changing it for the better. So why does it make me sad to realize that we are already starting the process of teaching her what we believe about what's right, what's important, and what's good?

Maybe because there's been no time in my life, anyway, at which it has ever been harder to believe in these things. Or--no--that's not it. It's that it has never been harder to believe that liberty, equality, justice, democracy, and people working together to end oppression is what being American means.

Because that is the message of all the old and new folk songs collected on that disk. You, kids, are growing up in America--this land of opportunity for new immigrants; this land of government of the people, by the people, for the people; this land where diversity is a given and embracing it is a necessity; this land where people of all different kinds can work together and love each other in the name of common ideals like liberty and freedom. And this land is your land!

Well, that land may or may not have ever existed. It certainly does not exist now. We are the land of the ever-widening gap between rich and poor; the land of unchecked executive power and unlimited government access to private information; the land that has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to "give me security, and to hell with liberty;" the land where the men who want to be president are competing to see who can abuse immigrants the most; the land of outsourcing and downsizing and strikebreaking; the land that destroys nations but can't rebuild them; the land of extraordinary rendition, the land of waterboarding, the land of Guantanamo.

It is a strange moment when you realize that whenever you teach a child to believe in an ideal, you are priming her for the same painful process of disillusionment, anger, and grief that you had to go through when you learned how hard it is for people to do the right thing and how easy it is for them to be cruel to each other and how even easier it is for people who are comfortable to forget that anyone else is in trouble. And yet wouldn't give up the beliefs that brought you all this pain, because without them, what's life? Getting up and going to work in the morning, going out to buy crap, consuming it, going to sleep, starting all over the next morning. You have to believe that another world is possible, even and especially when the evidence suggests otherwise. If you get comfortable with the crappy state of the world as it is, you're lost. You have to believe that the world *could* change, even though it seems like it never does. You have to have something to work for.

Anyway. So that's what I was thinking about, listening to this thing: whether it will ever be possible to connect these ideals with being American again. Is it a lie to teach her about the republican ideals that went into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and pretend that they still have anything to do with America the empire? Since when have we ever really held that ALL people are created equal? For how long will people who have no money be considered to have forfeited their right to the pursuit of happiness? When is Congress, or the judiciary, ever going to function as a check on the power of the executive branch? When will there ever be again such a thing as an election that everyone can be sure was fair and free? At what point in history will anyone ever again be able to say "America" and "human rights" in the same sentence without either crying or laughing?

I don't know the answers to any of these questions. All I know is I find it hard to take an interest in politics as usual right now. I'm fed up with the horse race, with the electoral romance, with celebrity politicians and polls and percentage points and the whole dog and pony show. Someone will win the Democratic primary, and that person will need millions upon millions of dollars in order to beat the Republican candidate, and that money has to come from somewhere, and wherever it comes from, that's who will own that candidate. Nothing that happens between now and November is liable to change that.

Things don't go in the same direction forever. Maybe by the time PJ can vote, this place will be totally unrecognizable--in a good way. I'd like her to feel, when it's her turn to take on this mess, as if there's a way she might be able to actually make a dent. I hope whoever wins in 2008 has some ideas about how to make that happen, and some intentions of implementing them. It's just hard to expect it, sometimes.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:09 PM
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1. It's a great song
and the collection of songs benefits a great cause. One of the things that we all can do is to have local schools use the packages available from the SPLC, free of charge. We can do our best to make sure that as many children as possible are exposed to these good messages.

Not all of America is defined by those songs. But parts of it surely are. And music helps spread that message. Not to mention, that's a revolutionary song!

THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
words and music by Woody Guthrie

Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:46 AM
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26. John Edwards inspired me to....
.... come up with new lyrics for this venerable tune. I've posted them on DU once already, but since the song is being reviewed here again, I'll take the liberty of posting my lyrics once more.

We had a leader who was a madman
He wanted our land to become his land
But then a great man extended his hand
Edwards reached out for you an me!

I’d felt disparaged, I’d felt disheartened
I felt the end was, really startin'
Lady Liberty's picture was on milk cartons
Justice was gone for you an me.

I cried at shore-side, by the Pacific
our jobs were leaving, it was horrific
Then a ray of sunshine, spoke so specific
Edwards would speak for you an me!

It was gut-wrenching - so fraught with sorrow
No food for hungry - come back tomorrow
But faces brightened, there's hope to borrow
Edwards will work for you an’ me

Our country's stature is trashed and broken
the world just scoffs now when Bush has spoken
Our global leadership is barely token
Edwards will change all that, you'll see!

Threatened by dread words, by doom and dead words
I sought strength inwards, an' thought of Edwards
The guy speaks hope words, sends spirits skywards
John Edwards will stand for you an' me!

On foreign soil now, our troops are dyin'
The wake of misery leaves fam'lys crying
It's only oil for Bush those deaths are buyin'
John will end this travesty, you'll see.

This land is your land - this land is my land
It's not for K-street or Cayman tax scams
Let's bring the dream back and draw some new plans
Edwards will work with you an' me!

No lawless CIA, no crooked judges
no corp'rate financing that someone fudges
Edwards will boot them, not just give nudges
and this land will be for you an' me!

This land is my land, this land is your land
if we all rise up, freedom will take a stand
We’ll see John Edwards gain the upper hand
This land will be for you an’ me!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:24 PM
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32. I get welled up everytime I hear that song...
to me it's a song of what could be...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:13 PM
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2. You teach your child, my dear Plaid Adder...
Whether you are aware of it or not!

Better to be aware, methinks...

And yes....Hope...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...And no good thing ever dies." The Shawshank Redemption.

Great writing.

Thank you...

K&R

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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:13 PM
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3. I remember hearing this song all the time in the '70s!
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:18 PM by danagsk8
My mom is a big Pete Seeger fan! :thumbsup: :patriot:
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:13 PM
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4. Sometimes I feel that there is no place in America for idealists, populists, or progressives
This should have been an election cycle we could feel good about ... a time we MIGHT have been able to bring about real change. Instead, the true IPPs have been relegated to the back of the 'pack' or chosen not to run at all and the front of the 'pack' is just making it all far too ugly/disheartening for me to care much about it at all.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:24 PM
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7. As an IPP, I feel as you do.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:25 PM by Big Blue Marble
I started this campaign season, hoping that Americans had enough of the kind of politics we are still seeing as
I write. I wrote the following in another thread on GDP about my observations:

If we do not lower the discourse, and come together as one people we are finished as a nation.
This intense rancor that the Clintons are introducing into this campaign is a continuation of
the politics of destruction that defined the last two decades of the last century.

We need to find common ground with the people of the right and they with us. This is
just a stupid way to elect our leaders. Each time it is over, half the country is furious at
the other half and nobody wins except the multi-national corporations and dysfunctional
leadership that has been misguiding this country for over thirty years.

Obama has offered us a path out of this abyss. We can choose to follow him and move forward
together to start solving the greatest challenges our nation and our world have ever faced or we
can follow Hillary and the current crop of Republicans and drive ourselves right over the cliff.

I fear now that even Obama's message of hope and renewal will be lost in the sewer of political rancor.
And once again, we the people, lose.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:41 PM
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14. Maybe Obama has the best intentions ... but, to date, all I've
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 08:42 PM by sjdnb
witnessed are him and/or his staff/supporters taking every opportunity to make passive aggressive attacks against Hillary Clinton, by, in my opinion, spinning and twisting her words to suit a political agenda. And, just as Hillary had her 'travelgate' and 'Whitewater', with the Resko trial beginning the end of this month, Obama, too, may be presented with a few ethics challenges.

Bottom line is that I am disappointed in both. I think Hillary has gone too 'DC' and Obama is too caught up in 'Obamamania'. The result has been lots of hype, celebrity, bickering, and rhetoric - from both Obama and Clinton while our country and people are being screwed and used to make fewer and fewer, richer and richer - and, those who have committed crimes against humanity and the Constitution, are not being held accountable for their actions.

Meanwhile, the people with real IPP credentials - Edwards, Kucinich, Gore, Feingold - are either ignored or haven't entered the race.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:54 PM
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15. Seriously, how would you advise Obama to counter the attacks
that the Clinton camp throws at him. They are down-in-dirt fighters. We know from
Gore and Kerry, that when the irrational attacks fly, you had better fight back hard.

I think the Clinton camp is baiting him to come down in the mud with them, because
they crack heads on that playing field. This attack from them puts him at a disadvantage
and they know it. So what would you do?
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:04 PM
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16. Sorry, don't buy it ... it's been played like same old, same old,
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:07 PM by sjdnb
from the start.

Amplify, twist, and spin. On both sides.

Obama has little record to attack, Hillary has a long one.

But, neither are really offering anything different to shake things up, the way they need to be shaken up, to affect real change and reverse the decades of crapola that has been dumped upon working class Americans as their opportunities have been taken away.

And, those who promote real progressive ideas are either ignored/minimized or haven't chosen to run. And, that is the way the M$M, party elite, and corporations/wealthy want it to be. It works for them.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:16 PM
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18. "Obama has little record to attack"
That is why the Clinton Campaign is looking a bit desperate and resorting to the darker side of politics.
You can say "Pox on all their houses if you want to." That will not diminish the truth that the
Clintons and their surrogates at the very least used racially insensitive language that has seriously
angered the black community. Yes the Obama people are countering all the charges and inuendos.
What else would you have them do?
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:45 AM
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27. Obama attacked Baby Boomers to begin his campaign
He told us BBs to get over ourselves and quit fighting the battles of the 60's replayed in the 90's. Those issues, those fights were and are for the core values of the Democratic Party, for our very souls. Even worse, Obama's new type of politics is really an old type, unfortunately one we all oppose. It unity is opposition to the strawman of Baby Boomers and their old fights and old ways, expressed using the same loaded language and coded phrases of the RW, wrapped in lofty rhetoric, highly polished, and eloquently delivered.

There is a current thread that is a must read:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2676101
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:14 PM
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5. I've posted a link to this, and an excerpt, in GDP. They need it.
I can't recommend this highly enough.

Thank you for a clear-eyed, cogent take on reality. This couldn't have been easy to write, but you've just done a stellar job, as always.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:24 PM
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6. K&R!!!
:kick:
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sk8rrobert2 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:28 PM
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8. Great Post. Strong Words. Really Hit Me Hard.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:31 PM
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9. Our current era is a sad one.
I remember when Caroline Kennedy was on The Jon Stewart show, oh maybe fifteen months ago, and she was giving an award to someone who had shown courage by forsaking his job in our government by not agreeing to being a torturer.

And both she and Stewart were like, "Can you believe we are now inside a world in which NOT torturing someone is seen as heroic?"
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:38 PM
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10. Very well said, Plaid Adder
I understand your feelings; I have a daughter, though she is older than yours. But still, I worked to teach her the things I felt were valuable, among them, questioning the way things are, and doing the things she can to make a difference.

This is a very disheartening time, but still I am glad I taught her what I did.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:57 PM
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11. Kick
:kick:

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:04 PM
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12. Another Excellent OP
Thank you P A

K & R
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:20 PM
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13. Time to start teaching her about the struggle, I think
You could start by telling her that what the songs say

is what our world should be and can be, but that there are some people who don't want it to be that way.

The main reason those people don't want it that way is that they don't want (or don't know how) to share.

They are greedy. And they don't care if others have very little, they want it all.

ect ect ect

But a fine essay whatever you choose. I've been through this one many years ago

and my children (now in their 20's post college) grew up to be sane and doing what they can for the cause
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:07 PM
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17. You're Beautiful. n/t
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:28 PM
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19. Woodie wrote
"This Land is Your Land" in response to Irving Berlin's "God Bless America" as he thought it rather arrogant that a just god would only bless our corner of the globe. I'm not sure if it's true, but it sounds a bunch better than an imaginary deity granting a piece of real estate certain good fortune, and as a combat veteran "bombs bursting in air" still makes me uncomfortable.
For what it's worth, "This Land is Your Land" should be the national anthem. Its message is that we're all part of something greater, and we are attached to our country for good cause.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:59 PM
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20. In one of the songbooks my mother-in-law got for Zoe,
they tell the same story about Guthrie writing it as a response to "God Bless America," the original refrain being "God blessed America for me." So, you know, se non e vero, e ben trovato.

My partner reminded me after reading this essay that most of these songs came out of pretty dark times, and we should remember that even then they were about a country that could exist but largely didn't. This is true. This time just seems, I dunno, darker.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:21 PM
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21. Thank you so much for gifting us with this post.
My own children are all grown now. I did my best to instill in them the ethics and worldview that I would want to be the operational priniciples in an ideal world. I also armed them with knowledge and critical thinking skills, and the truth about the forces that work against these ideals.

They grew up to develop very finely-tuned bullshit detectors, and a fierce love of justice and truth. If I've done nothing else of worth in my time on this planet, I have at least sent these seeds into the future in the care of my progeny.

sw
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:58 PM
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22. Thank you for this oasis of perspective...
...and know that your post has resonated deeply.

I'm much in accord with Wiley50's response. We must tell children the truth, and thereby not only avoid setting them up for the disillusionment, anger, and grief, but also equip them with a fighting chance against the oppressors.

The values of which you speak not only are true - they are self-evident. And, being self-evidently true, I lived life under the assumption that they would naturally prevail. Now here we are.

So I know about disillusionment, anger, and grief.

It was my understanding that these battles had been won, and, in fact, despite the cynical memes of inevitability sewn by liars and their duped enablers, they largely had. But, through camouflage, deception and stealth, psychopaths have usurped our heritage.

The soul-destroyers whom we are up against operate inter-generationally, in a very long time frame. This is why we must do the same. Those whom the soul-destroyers have not irreparably damaged will naturally impart humane values to their children. But that, difficult enough in their world of false idols, is not enough. The methods and pathology of the deceivers must be clearly identified, and that knowledge must be passed to every generation. Unfortunately, we are nowhere near meeting this requirement.

Those are some of my thoughts. Thanks again for your heartfelt message.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:36 AM
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23. This land, indeed!
There's a reason my livingroom furniture is arranged around that big ugly collection of '70s electronics: it contains a turntable. Yeah, yeah, I've got the CDs. But the scritches and warps on those old vinyl records have become part of the songs, y'know? The Weavers, the Kingston Trio, and the unbelievably genuine Peter, Paul and Mary -- those songs have words that caressed millions of consciences into actions that brought positive change to the country and beyond. To this day, listening to those songs helps to breathe new life into fires that have never quite gone out. I'm thinking that we could all use a dose of "Blowin' in the Wind" and "If I Had a Hammer," along with Woody's anthem. It's hard to imagine marching for a cause to the dulcet tones of "It's Hard Out Here For a Pimp."
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:23 AM
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24. wow! great post. fantastic post. incredibly thoughtful post.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 AM by shugah
i have a 20 year old son that i raised with what you refer to as "the basic message." he is old enough to have noticed that the world is going to hell. he was devastated when kerry didn't (or did) win in '04. he had shaken kerry's hand, had been involved in the process, was so excited that the wrong turn we made as a country was going to be reversed. on new years eve 2004 we stood out on our deck yelling "HAPPY NEW PRESIDENT YEAR" joyously (in an area where that sentiment might not have been all that popular). we watched the early results and he went to bed confidant that all would be well. i stayed up a bit longer, and eventually went to bed crying.

an hour or two later he woke me up with shaking voice, "mom? what happened?" i didn't know what to tell him. i said, i don't know how many times, "i'm sorry." yes, Plaid Adder, i had got his hopes up - his hopes and expectations and belief in "the basic message." and then i got to watch it all fall down. totally crap moment as a mother. nevermind all that about the country - i did indeed feel that i personally had failed my son.

we spent the morning sitting on the couch holding hands, watching the news. when kerry conceded, i wept. my son got up, turned off the tv and went to his room. he refused to talk about it at all. he buried himself in video games and f**ked off school for several months. i wrung my hands and despaired.

eventually, he came downstairs one night when i was reading DU and said, "what's up in the world?"

when we were watching the iowa caucus results coming in, he said, "mom? why are we rooting for the white guy?"

so, he's already experienced his first kick in the teeth. it had an impact. he's more cynical and less trusting. yes, i have to say, he is even skeptical of his mother now. but, his belief and trust in "the basic message" has not been shaken. i think he can actually see the world we can only dream about. and he knows that it will not come easy.

i'm going to buy the CD "This Land Is Your Land," by Music for Little People for my little son - that's my son i've maybe held off a little bit on instilling idealism in because it broke my heart that i couldn't make the world perfect for my older son.

thanks Plaid Adder, for one of the best DU posts ever. you are awesome! whether or not any of our children can make a difference, i'd rather they think they could, wouldn't you? the alternative is abhorrent, isn't it?

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:25 AM
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25. Kick back up there!
:kick:

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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:05 AM
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28. Thank you. Sounds like our second generation needs this.
I'll check it out for the grandchildren in our family.

How old do you think a child needs to be for this CD?
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 AM
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30. To really understand the spoken word stuff,
I think the kid would have to be at least 5 or 6. But the music is perfectly appropriate for younger kids. The hardest anyone ever rocks is on a cover of "Everyday People," which includes an extremely gentle and wholesome 'rap' by someone named Taj Mahal.

I like the music, though listening to, say, Ted Danson read from Woody Guthrie's musings on popular songs is probably going to grate on the 50th repetition.

Well, what the hell, as long as I'm plugging it I'll go get the song list...

"The Kids In School With Me" (poem by Langston Hughes, read by Danny Glover)

"This Land is Your Land" (song by Woody Guthrie, performed by John McCutcheon, Maria Muldaur, Elouise Burrell and Emma Jean Fiege, Tom Paxton, Rosi Amador, Michael Bannett and Carrie Lyn, Willie Nelson, and The Mooboo Chiles)

"Reflections of Woody Guthrie" read by Ted Danson

"If I Had a Hammer" (song by Pete Seeger, performed by Brian Johnson, Carrie Lyn & Michael Bannett, interpsersed with various readings)

"Everyday People" (by Sly and the Family Stone, listed in the program as "Sylvester Stewart"; performed by Taj Mahal, Emma Jean Fiege and the Cultural Heritage Choir)

"Ballad of the Underground Railroad" (poem by Charles L. Blockson, read by Danny Glover)

"Follow the Drinking Gourd" (traditional, performed by Eric Bibb, Linda Tillery & Taj Mahal)

"The Story of Claudette Colvin" as told by Awele Makeba

"Sister Rosa" (written and performed by The Neville Brothers)

"Calypso Freedom" (adaptation of "The Banana Boat Song" by Sweet Honey In the Rock)

"Human Family" (by Maya Angelou, read by Danny Glober)

"Like Me and You" (written and performed by Raffi)

"Anishinabe" (written by Lisa Silver and Dennis Scott, performed by Bill Miller)

"Somos el Barco" (by John McCutcheon)

"Dreams of Harmony" (by Freyda Epstein)

Available at www.mflp.com, and no, I am not getting a commission.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:40 AM
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29. Think How Much Worse It Would Be If You Didn't Teach Her These Things!
To know that there is an alternative, and that people are working for it is so much better than saying, "That's life, get over it."

Rebuilding this country is a multi-generational project. The more people enlisted to the cause, the smoother and faster and better done the job will be.

And in the meanwhile, be sure to pass on how to protect yourself from "the forces of evil" and those of the indifferent.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:25 PM
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31. Kick
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:53 PM
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33. I'm remembering a post you made a while back, about Sesame Street ...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 08:58 PM by Lisa
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=102501

"I also still remember a number of Spanish words, and could probably still count to 20 in Spanish if you gave me enough time and do-overs. I remember when I was about 5 talking to a friend of my mother's and telling her I watched Sesame Street (it was new then). She said she thought that show was awful. I was amazed, since I loved it so, and I asked her why. She said, "They're teaching kids to speak Spanish!" Later I asked my mother what she could possibly mean by it. What could be wrong with learning Spanish? Wasn't learning a good thing?

In fact, Sesame Street did not teach me to speak Spanish. I still can't. However, it did introduce me to a number of Latino (or, back then, Hispanic) characters, and it also taught me to recognize a fair number of useful Spanish words, so that now when I see Spanish, it isn't completely alien to me. I haven't become a Spanish-speaker, but I am, as it were, more Spanish-friendly. More tolerant of Spanish (and Spanish-speakers) if you will. At least more tolerant than I'd have been if I'd grown up listening to that friend of my mothers rant all day about what she must have seen as the Hispanic Menace."

* * *


I'm in the same age group -- I did watch Sesame Street, but something that had an even bigger effect on my childhood was receiving a subscription to National Geographic World. It was like a tiny bright window that opened up, between the Watergate era (I learned to read by looking at the Time and Newsweek covers from that time) -- and the Iranian hostage crisis and the rise of Reaganism. Then, as now, the press coverage that the United States was receiving beyond its borders, was rather critical. But National Geographic World showed a different view. It showed a nation with children in it, just like me, and a lot of people who were trying hard to make things better.

I don't know if this magazine contributed to my decision to go on to college, then grad school, and earn a geography degree. Looking back on all of this with a grown-up eye, I see that a lot of the ideas presented were oversimplified, naive, let's-all-hold-hands-and-get-along fluff. The "Kids Did It" section about a child in Chicago who started a petition to save a local park, or another kid in Florida who put up little fences to protect turtle nesting sites -- I mean, really -- the magazine wouldn't tell us if the park was flattened by a bulldozer after the local council caved in to a developer, or the turtles were all killed in an oil spill, would they? What happened in the past 3 decades is that we kept using more and more energy, and urban sprawl exploded, and global trade spread environmental damage across the entire planet. And other people told me that the National Geographic Society itself is a large bureaucratic organizaton that has ties to the CIA and industrial interests, and has been accused of sexism, racism, and exploitative research practices, and deliberately glossing over the ugly things that the west, and scientists, and Americans in particular have been accused of.

So now I'm a geographer, and I teach people a few years older than I was when I started reading National Geographic World. Many of them are very bright, and very idealistic. PA said in her original post, "whenever you teach a child to believe in an ideal, you are priming her for the same painful process of disillusionment, anger, and grief" -- and heaven help me, that's my job. It's what I'm paid to do. I tell them about the bad things that have happened and are still going on, some of which PA has outlined already, so I won't repeat. And just when I'm on the verge of telling them that there is so much inertia in the system --- and so many people who are mean and selfish, or who just don't care -- that there is absolutely no way we can get out of this without a lot of us, humans I mean, ending up impoverished or dead ... I see that calm sunny window in my mind. And to my surprise, I find myself talking about all the things could do, to change the situation and bring that kinder future a bit closer.

There are only so many years in a person's life when that window can be installed, Plaid Adder. Later there will be plenty of time for Howard Zinn and George Monbiot, and to ask how much of what you (and not just Americans, but people around the world) believe, was an illusion.

So give them that window. They might be angry later, the more they learn about the world -- but they'll forgive us.


You ask "whether it will ever be possible to connect these ideals with being American again". I don't have the quote with me right now, but almost 90 years ago someone surveying the shattered wreckage of WWI asked whether there would ever be a shared European culture, with Britons listening to German symphonies, Russians reading French literature, open borders and a shared flow of ideas across the entire continent.

And of course, the answer to both questions is "yes".

Sooner than we think, PJ will be old enough to run for public office. Perhaps, sometime in the 2030s, she will walk up to a certain wrinkly old man and say, "Hello, George Walker Bush. I'm the new President. My mommies talked about you a lot when I was growing up." Even if she doesn't -- even if she decides she'll stop once she gets to city council, or turns her back on politics altogether and instead goes into health care, farming, business administration, energy systems design -- or teaching geography classes -- thanks to her parents, at least she'll have an idea of what to look for when it comes to governance.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:00 PM
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34. Buy her a copy of "The Last Mimzy" on DVD. A very positive message for kids.
One sadly lacking elsewhere, that we can choose to have a better future and do something about it, and that if we do, it will be more beautiful than we can imagine.
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