Putting aside my previous wild emotional responses, Candidate Hillary Clinton is correct.

[Deja Q]

Offshoring is going to continue, regardless. Once the proverbial genie pops out of the bottle, how do you convince it to go back in?

I think that's a relatively safe thing to say right now.

So, now knowing offshoring is a way of life, what are available solutions to keep America a "first world" country, while elevating others to first world status, as judging by the number of people being lifted out of poverty in these countries we are offshoring too? (Indeed, is it exploitation? are H1Bs coming to America to learn under duress? No.)

[Toots]

1. You set about to raise the standard of living for the whole world

When foreign labor receives the same benefits and protections as US labor the playing field will be more level. Unionize the world labor force.....

[Deja Q]

7. Well, the number of H1B appplicants suggests something different.

And maybe I am missing out on something, but India's economy (for example) isn't booming out of thin air.

[flvegan]

2. If our dollar continues to tank, that may not be the case.

With our economy in full-blown Krakatoa stage now, big corporate America may find it's cheaper to pay Americans here.

[Deja Q]

10. Time will tell.

That's all that can be said for anything.

I'll just be audacious and hope.

Just wait until the candidates pass the primaries. Even I may be inclined to stop playing "chessmaster wannabe" and stop thinking about what might or might not happen.

[alfredo]

3. Use the Apple Inc model, innovate, innovate, innovate.

Keep the other industrial powers playing catchup. Act like an insurgent instead of an empire.

[Deja Q]

6. Last I checked, they want to buy Adobe.

Not quite sure why...

[Chovexani]

9. Maybe so Mac using graphic artists won't be held "hostile" anymore

Ever since Macs went Intel, Adobe's been a total bastard about rendering their software native to the new chip architecture. Instead of releasing a Universal Binary patch for Photoshop as a stop gap measure to help users, the way pretty much every software developer has for their software, they made people wait literally years until CS3 came out just recently. From my own experience CS2 ran like a sick dog under emulation and was virtually unusable...I can't imagine someone who actually needed to use that program to make a living dealing with it.

[Deja Q]

12. Yeah, but Apple has to be the proverbial "john" to get Adobe to, uh, open up.

Not a convincing argument, I must say!

And, once having been a linux user, Photoshop and non-Adobe graphics apps tended to be sluggish in general... I imagine Adobe is shying away from Apple because OS X is one or two steps apart from Linux; making reverse engineering and linux compatibility easier. I'm clutching at straws in that respect, but there can only be so many reasons why Adobe, a one-time best friend of the Mac, started dropping products and support (Premiere instantly comes to mind) and one truly has to wonder.

Virtualization is ideal for a certain set of apps (I've been studying the concept...) End user activity is not one of them. Unless it's for word processing, but that's the dumbest argument I've ever fathomed. "Hey folks! Look at my pumped Linux system that took me half a week and trying 5 different products to make Office 2007 emulated at a proper speed and it's a pity about photoshop, photoimpact, and all these other apps too, woo hoo!!" (um, no thanks...)

So I went back to windows and figured out how to optimize as much as I could from it, instead of arting around with linux or using an OS from a company I like far less. (and that's another story, but OS 8 and 9 were not stable despite their bogus claims...)

[Chovexani]

13. It's funny that we came to the exact opposite conclusion

I hated OS9, it was far less stable than OS 8 (prior to OSX my favorite OS was System 7.5). But I've been using Macs my whole life, and after fighting with my mom's Windows box far more than I ever wanted to, I prefer the quirks of the Mac user experience.

[Leopolds Ghost]

17. Yeah, let's retrain "obsolete" workers (whom you obviously don't consifder yourself one) to INNOVATE

And typists -- erm, I mean programmers and software experts, numbering in
the millions, creating excess demand for jobs (read -- not a rare skill)
doodling with the latest Asian-manufactured technology.

[OHdem10]

4. Yes, China and India have been able to bring some of their

out of poverty. Some can look at this with pride.

Their success naturally has created losses in the first world.
This is Globalization. If we ignore or accept the fact that
our people salaries are harmonizing downward..fine. it is
important to me that our Leaders admit this and say it.
This is part of the deal. Americans cannot continue to earn
umpteen times what workers in other countries earn. Be honest
and say it. Unless you plan to make serious changes.

Do not throw out the Lame ---Education is the cure.

The Corporations are going about the world seeking cheapest
labor. Our workers are too costly . When Corp. refer to
comptetiveness, they are talking about salaries.

Five different studies (Harvard, Rand Corp Duke) clearly
show there is no shortage of College Graduates in Math
Science or Engineering. They can hire graduates from Inda
China Asia much cheaper.

Do not let these candidates get away with same old drivel
about education ==they have used this since the '80s.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. She's into offshoring because her husband was involved in pushing NAFTA along. Isn't that right? nt

[Deja Q]

8. Honestly, thanks to DU, I'm not sure what to believe about her.

Apart from the consistency she's had re: foreign issues, but even then, why should I take her at face value? (Though, at least on the surface, she is correct...)

But I want one candidate to go into detail about rebuilding the US and I don't care who it is at this point. No more bickering. Just solutions and ideas that lead for them.

Right now, based on known actions, a certain mayor, Bloomberg, appears to be the most responsible candidate and he's not exactly running, now is he?

Obama is appealing and he sounds sincere, but I haven't kept up enough on the details (maybe I just don't care about yakkety-yak politics anymore, in favor of sincerity of action? *sigh* )

[Leopolds Ghost]

18. Hypno Toad, do you support Offshoring and other pernicious phenomena?

Do you want policies to prevent pernicious phenomena such as offshoring --
and violence, and cocaine use, other phenomena that is "not going away" --
or encourage it?

[sendero]

11. You can at least make it so that..

.. there are tax advantages to taking jobs out of America.

[gulliver]

14. Tax foreign workers' income.

These people are essentially American employees. They should be taxed as such. I'm not saying we need them to fill out W-4s and send returns to the IRS. Simply tax every dollar that goes for foreign labor as if it is a dollar of U.S. labor and make the employer "deduct" it and send it to our treasury.

That will at least eliminate the income tax loophole represented by outsourcing.

[David Zephyr]

15. Of shoring really took off around 1984-1985.

It took off after China opened the "enterprise zone". Reagan's policies encouraged it to counter unions in America.

Sadly, it continued wildly into GWH Bush's term and throughout Bill Clinton's eight years further fueled by NAFTA.

It has still continued throughout Bush II's administration, too.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. TARRIFFS. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool

Who doesn't understand how nations like China and the US and Britain developed an industrial base.

[bemildred]

19. I don't have a problem with it as long as they have to pay foreign talent more

than native employees. If they don't need it bad enough to pay a little extra for it, let them do without.