Breaking News: New Hampshire Primary Vote Will Be Recounted-Both Parties

[kpete]

Gardner: Recount to go forward for both parties' primaries
January 11, 2008 4:32 PM

CONCORD — State officials say they will conduct a hand recount of Tuesday's Democratic and Republican presidential primaries at the request of two minor candidates.

Ohio Democrat Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who received less than 2 percent of the vote, and Republican Albert Howard of Michigan, who received about 44 votes statewide, are expected to pay a $2,000 fee to start the process, state officials said.

"Mr. Howard has satisfied the requirements for initiating a statewide recount of the Republican Primary," Secretary of State William Gardner said in a statement. Officials said they expected a check from Kucinich to arrive late Friday, satisfying his requirements for the request.

Gardner is preparing an estimate the recount's cost, which the requesting candidates must pay before it will begin. He said he expects to start the recount Jan. 16, and will announce further details once the payments have been received.

more at:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080111/NEWS/80111030/-1/NEWS19&sfad=1

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Updated to add:

IMHO: "We gotta get it "right on election night" (Land Shark), kpete

[helderheid]

1. YES!!! If there has been any problems PLEASE LET IT COME OUT NOW AND NOT IN THE GENERAL!!!

[Renew Deal]

5. This is great news.

They should be doing this anyway.

[KittyWampus]

10. what are we going to do about S. Carolina? They don't have any paper ballots.

[helderheid]

11. what are they voting on?

[KittyWampus]

15. South Carolina uses a paperless touch screen system statewide, the ES&S iVotronic.

Article: November 18, 2007

The 2008 Presidential election may hinge on a primary in which the votes are recorded and tabulated exclusively by paperless electronic voting machines.

South Carolina's primary will be pivotal in the nominating process of both major parties. South Carolina uses a paperless touch screen system statewide, the ES&S iVotronic. It is apparent from the state Election Code that this is the system used for primary elections (section 7-13-1900).

Paperless e-voting is reckless in any right, but the iVotronic has managed to become notorious on its own terms.

It is the machine of Sarasota 2006 fame, producing 18,000 undervotes in Florida's 13th Congressional District, as well as high undervotes in other races in six Florida counties that used the machines. It is the same machine whose firmware version 8.0.1.2 was described by Princeton University computer scientist Edward Felten as "terribly insecure" and in need of serious improvements before it used in another election.

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http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2653&Itemid=113

[Subdivisions]

21. LOL! The absudity never ceases to amaze and outrage me. Two words:

Status Quo.

Sigh.

[helderheid]

23. fuck a duck

:mad:

[robinlynne]

44. South Carolina is screwn. really. aint nothing you can do, except put

the creators of HAVA in jail.

[mzmolly]

18. THIS is where we need to request recounts. Let's draw attention to this issue in the primary race.

:hi:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. How can you recount when all the data is on electronic media?

[mzmolly]

52. That's precisely my point!

:hi: Raising awareness is key to change.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

53. I t would seem the buzz over the NH recount

has increased awareness outside of the blogosphere that there are doubts as to the validity of electronic voting media. I have a hard time following the rationale' that we should wait until another election goes awry and then ask for a recount. Could you help me understand?

Maybe its me... I didn't get my coffee this morning

[mzmolly]

54. No, because I did not assert that we should wait for the GE.

What I said was, let's demand recounts where there are no paper ballots and see how state officials scramble to explain why we can't have one.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

56. I corrected the GE wording, my mistake.

But, erm, uh, I want to be able to have a recount and have it mean something... you know, a tangible outcome.

[mzmolly]

57. As do I which is why I think NH is an exercise in futility.

Perhaps I'll be proven wrong? If so, I'll be the first to admit it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

60. The tallies in Florida and Ohio were erroneous. Why do you

want to continue to NOT recount now when anomalies have surfaced? You have lost me.

[mzmolly]

61. I'm not convinced that anomalies are anything but speculation.

We shall see what happens. I'm going to leave it at that. :hi:

[SoCalDem]

64. Or stage a Vote-In.. Go..vote..and STAY

Kind of hard for a precinct to say that candidate "A" got 58 votes, when there are 100 people standing there, saying "I voted for him" :evilgrin:

[Recursion]

22. I don't think SC is an issue for us -- it is for the GOP

I think all the campaigns have written off SC as going to Obama, last I heard. But SC will be a big test for McCain, especially considering the unconscionable dirty tricks he suffered from W's team there in 2000 (I wouldn't vote for McCain but what Bush/Rove did to him there made my blood boil -- smears on the level of the swift boaters or even worse).

But SC is really interesting because it's the two "outsiders" (Huckabee and McCain) that have the best shot there. I wonder which one the Evil Forces Within Diebold prefer....

[Wednesdays]

32. "I think all the campaigns have written off SC as going to Obama"

So, if all the pre-election polls show Obama winning big, but he loses in the actual vote, what then?

:shrug:

[Recursion]

33. Well...

Election rigging, if it happens, would need to be about nudging, not shoving. You could nudge NH one way or the other. You would have to shove SC.

[LeFleur1]

43. Polls

Polls are an invasion of privacy and I would lie through my teeth about my vote. It's none of their damn business.
I wonder if other people feel that way.

The concentration should be on getting a record of the votes. Machines are the problem. Who gives a damn about polls? They are inaccurate.

[UndertheOcean]

2. GO Dennis

Better iron out problems now rather than the primary !

[DJ13]

3. Thank you Dennis!

From an Obama supporter.

Lets make sure the voting is ligitimate.

[helderheid]

6. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[DJ13]

13. Thanks

Couldnt help myself, so I gave in and joined.
:party:

[bigwillq]

24. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[DJ13]

25. Welcome to DU!

Thanks.

And thanks to your candidate.

He's a good guy.

[Subdivisions]

4. Oh please let this be it! If it comes back good, great. BUT

if it doesn't, pursue it to its very end.

[dkofos]

7. I will volunteer

[tekisui]

8. This is good. Regardless of apperances or lack there-of

it is good to double check early. If significant inaccuracies are found, We benefit. It it does not change the count, no loss.

[enigmatic]

9. I don't have a problem w/ this

Count the votes.

[Binka]

27. I Love Your Site. I'm At The Office But When I Get Home I'll Look Again

And add it to my favs. I don't know why I never clicked on it before. I LOVE radio (indy of course.)

[annabanana]

12. Good. Now I'm going to ignore threads on the subject until the numbers

are up.

[saracat]

14. Yeah like that is what this "really" is about!

[HughMoran]

58. What do you mean?

Please explain...

[Old_Growth]

16. Will the New Hampshire Supreme Court

Stop the recount?

memories....

[Tesha]

26. Here in New Hampshire, we have justices who still believe in justice. (NT)

[SoxFan]

41. The Chief Justice

is a lifelong Democrat and a good man.

[loudsue]

62. How 'bout the Sec. of State? Can Justice step in if they see something fishy?

I understand there are people with a lot of misgivings who have been active in the voting rights activist camps, that NH might not be a fair recount.

:kick:

[SoxFan]

63. I am not worried

I don't see why people have misgivings. Having been involved in NH politics most of my adult life, i have a good sense of who you can trust and who you can't, and in this case, I see no cause for concern.

The Secretary of State, Bill Gardner, is a Democrat and a straight shooter.

The Deputy Secretary of State, Dave Scanlan, is a Republican but an honest guy.

The Chief Justice, John Broderick, is a Democrat and a good and decent man.

The Attorney General, Kelly Ayotte, is hypercautious and would never get mixed up in something like this. She usually delegates election law issues to her assistant AGs anyway.

On the local level, there are hundreds of city and town clerks, moderators, selectmen, and ballot inspectors. Some are slugs but most are decent people.

[Annces]

17. Great news

Dennis did it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

19. I'm really glad to see this.

If it shows problems it would be nice to know sooner rather than in November. If it's not bad then hopefully it will put some peoples fears to rest.

I see this as a win-win.

[blogslut]

20. good

:)

[book_worm]

28. Good, we can hopefully put all of this behind us.

[juno jones]

29. Maybe this will be something that really brings the issue of

our lamentable voting methods to the public in a way that the MSM is forced to cover.

I'm glad they approved this so quickly. Many people have discussed the delay with the Nader recount, but Nader was 1) an outsider, 2)not in a position to reward or punish after the fact, as he had nary a snowball's chance in hell of winning and was not really a politician. The judges might be finding this one a little close to home and too important to ignore. May all go swiftly and well, and may the results, whatever they are, unimpeachably BE.

And may South Carolinians be able to ponder this momentous subject while casting their hopeful votes for whomever they choose.

[New Earth]

30. this should be done in every state

where there is suspicion like this, throughout the primaries, whether the recount shows errors/fraud or not.
This should NOT discredit the purpose and need for recounting.

[L. Coyote]

31. Let me guess. Results will be complete snore and total boredom.

[Twist_U_Up]

34. can't trust New Hampshire election officials to conduct an honest recount.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_lynn_lan_080110_there_s_a_history_of.htm

There's a History of Suspected Vote Fraud In NH - Forget 'Official Recounts', Do Citizen Audits

By Lynn Landes 1/10/08

There are plenty of reasons not to trust New Hampshire election results, particularly regarding Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (see:http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=DEMOCRATS). And, rumors are flying around that Ron Paul may be considering a request for a recount.
My advice to Paul, Obama, and others? Don't waste your time. Instead, audit New Hampshire's election results in select precincts where the results appear particularly suspect.
If candidates or voters stand a chance of uncovering vote fraud, they must do this themselves. They can't trust New Hampshire election officials to conduct an honest recount. And, they certainly shouldn't trust the Democratic or Republican organizations to take any action, either.
Consider, Clint Curtis (ClintCurtis.com). Curtis, from Florida’s 24th Congressional District, was the first Democratic candidate to conduct a Citizen Audit. What is a Citizen Audit? It's an effort by candidates and/or citizens groups to verify election results by asking citizens to sign affidavits stating for which candidates they voted. In Clint's case, he discovered that the official election results of November 2006 differed from his audit in the five precincts canvassed, by an average of 16%! He took this information to the Committee on House Administration, chaired by Philadelphia Democrat, Congressman Robert Brady, whereupon the entire committee, both Democrats and Republicans, unanimously voted not to investigate!
Consider New Hampshire's much ballyhooed recount system, where election officials claim that they almost never find any problem with the voting machines. But they wouldn't, would they? After all, their recount system is after the fact, after the polls have closed and ballots have been transported to a central facility. It's a system that allows plenty of time to substitute real ballots with fraudulent ones. It's also interesting to note that New Hampshire does not conduct election day audits at the polls, as a rule. Now that's something that stands a chance of discovering fraud or errors.
And, consider New Hampshire's own history of producing questionable election results. Remember Howard Dean? In a 2004 article, Questions Mount Over New Hampshire's Primary, I wrote, "Martin Bento published online an interesting analysis of New Hampshire's election results based on the voting systems used. It's been getting a lot of attention." According to Bento's analysis of state data, Howard Dean's loss to John Kerry had a disturbing correlation to how votes were counted. Below are the percentages by which Kerry’s vote exceeded Dean’s, grouped by tallying method.

[SoxFan]

42. baloney

Secretary of State Bill Gardner conducts the recounts. Bill has always run the elections division in an open, fair, and even-handed way. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that he is involved in anything improper. The fact that you would even suggest this shows that you don't know a thing about New Hampshire, its history, its election procedures, or Secretary Gardner and Deputy Secretary Scanlon.

[Twist_U_Up]

46. New Hampshire Secretary of State knew about the narcotics trafficking conviction of Ken Hajjar

yet still authorized LHS to code every memory card in New Hampshire.

Harri Hursti himself testified in New Hampshire in Sept. 2007, urging them to disconnect the wiring allowing reprogramming of the memory card through the modem port. New Hampshire took no action.

New Hampshire didn't take even the half-step actions other states used to beef up voting machine security.

Maybe there are better ways to skin this cat.

[EFerrari]

47. Okay. Who secured the ballots on election night?

:shrug:

[HughMoran]

59. Thanks for posting this

You can already see the screams if the vote is verified as accurate - I am getting that sick feeling already.

[Imagevision]

35. I still remember when Ohio was recounted but failed to abide by the rules.

Instead of choosing random counties Blackwell personally chose the counties to be re-counted, not good!

[Perry Logan]

36. This is good. But we can never be sure of any results till we lose those bloody machines.

[Imagevision]

37. Has anyone seen this on any M$M yet...?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. At CNNPolitics.com

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/kucinich-calls-for-new-hampshire-recount/

[Eurobabe]

38. Good news n/t

[earth mom]

39. GO Dennis! And Thank You!

:yourock:

[riverdeep]

40. Why is it we wait until a crisis mode hits?

We've suspected this problem since 2000, confirmed it in 2004, and another election is rolling around and we're still at the same game.

This is what the National Institute of Standards and Technology thinks about the situation (NIST-"Founded in 1901, NIST is a non-regulatory federal agency within the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST's mission is to promote U.S. innovation and industrial competitiveness by advancing measurement science, standards, and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life.")-

Paperless electronic voting machines 'cannot be made secure' according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). In the most sweeping condemnation of voting machines issued by any federal agency, NIST echoes what critics have been saying all along, that due to the lack of verifiability, 'a single programmer could rig a major election.' Rather than adding printers, though, NIST endorses the hand-marked optical-scan system as the most reliable. -Dec, 2006

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/01/2010245

Democracy is so inconvenient, isn't it? Let's just say we have a democracy-it's so much easier than going about insuring one. Thank you Dennis, once again, for inconveniencing us.

[barbtries]

45. how long does a recount take?

interesting.

[FlyingSquirrel]

48. This is just tongue in cheek, but...

They oughta do away with voting altogether and just go by the opinion polls.


:+

[99th_Monkey]

51. According to NH recount rules, Obama could submit a request & it would be free, no?

well, not free, but NH would pay rather than Kucinich/Howard having to pony up the money. afterall, NH SHOULD pay for it, since
they are choosing to use hackable scanners in the first place, creating all the confusion and doubt post-election.

If Obama did this, I know he'd risk the "sore-loser" lable; but my respect for him would be increased and I suspect many other's
would be too.

[ProSense]

55. So if the results don't change, does that mean

the 2004 election probably wasn't stolen? Watch the claims from the RW.

Recounts are good, when they are immediate and fair. No more Diebold!