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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:50 AM
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I'm starting to lean toward Richardson
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 10:50 AM by Norquist Nemesis
Ok. It's out! Mind you, I said "starting to lean" not jumped onto the bandwagon, so hold off on the flamethrowing.

Is anyone else giving him serious consideration? Anyone have some "NO WAY! Didn't you know that he (fill in the blank)" information or experience about him?

edit to add his site: http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/#iraq
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:52 AM
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1. He refused to allow a recount in New Mexico in 04
even though it was clear that there had been malfeasance in many minority precincts. :shrug:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:56 AM
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4. Check and noted
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:04 AM
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6. not only that he basically went out of his way to stop one nt
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:54 AM
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2. He is a repuglike, DLCer.
Before he ran for Governor, he was on various boards of the largest Oil companies. Just another corporate whore, slave to the oil companies.

Not in this life time would I vote for him. Look at the 2004 election and how he interferred with the recounts.

Actually research him, don't stick with his website.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 10:55 AM
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3. DU is the best research database there is!
That's why I queried. :D

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:20 AM
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9. Yeah, you better google for yourself, those sites listed by the other
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:23 AM by merh
poster paint such a cheery picture of the man, but it is things like this that you miss if you rely on them.

Richardson Resigns from Valero Energy Corporation Board
| San Antonio, TX - June 19, 2002 |

Valero Energy Corporation (NYSE:VLO) announces that Bill Richardson is resigning from the company's board of directors so that he can focus on his candidacy for the office of governor of New Mexico. Richardson is the former U.S. secretary of energy, and he has been on the Valero board since March 2001. The resignation is effective June 30.

Valero’s friendship with Bill Richardson goes back more than 20 years, and we appreciate all he has done for our company and our country,” said Bill Greehey, Valero’s chairman of the board and CEO. “We hate to see him leave our board, but we wish him well in his campaign and in all of his future endeavors.”

Valero Energy Corporation is a Fortune 500 company based in San Antonio, with approximately 22,000 employees and annual revenues of nearly $30 billion. The company currently owns and operates 12 refineries in the United States and Canada with a combined throughput capacity of approximately 2 million barrels per day (BPD), making it one of the nation’s top refiners of petroleum products. Valero is also one of the nation’s largest retailer operators with nearly 4,600 retail outlets in the United States and Canada under various brand names including Diamond Shamrock, Beacon, Total, Ultramar and Valero.

http://www.valero.com/NewsRoom/News+Releases/NR_2002-06-19.htm


So he had a 20 year friendship with Valero, even while he was Clinton's Energy Secretary.
Makes ya wonder, don't it.

More at the link below - He sure was on a LOT OF BOARDS! Corporations mean a great deal to him.


Richardson Says He Abandoned Boards to Focus on Race

* "Democratic gubernatorial candidate Bill Richardson resigned from the following boards on July 5, <2002>. He said he left his positions on the corporate boards so he can have more time to campaign."

Richardson resigned from the boards of: American Energy Group Inc.; Energy Investors Fund Group; Diamond Offshore Company: Peregrine Systems; City National Bank; Valero Corp. Services Corp.; Venoco; Hispanic Radio Network; Intellibridge Expert Network; and TerraSolar.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bill_Richardson
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:26 AM
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12. That's not true at all. I provided a balance of sites.
I guess he'd be the first president to have corporate experience and connections? The only candidate with such connections?

What was his role and influence on these boards? He may have had a positive role advocating for his state.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:32 AM
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13. Your sources do not contain this information
I checked them - so if you like these sources, you might want to suggest they add the information to be truly fair and balanced.

I don't know, an Energy Secretary that is friends with big oil so much so that they put him on the board after his term, that is just so Republican, bushbot, neo-con to me.

Corporations have too much control of this nation and too many rights, it's time to care about the citizens.

We don't need any more corporate whores in office.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:33 AM
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15. I work for a corporation
does that make me a whore?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:35 AM
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16. Were you the former Energy Secretary that was named to the board
of one of the biggest oil corporations out there and when you left to run for office, did they brag of their 20 year friendship with you?

And mind you, that was just one of the MANY CORPORATE boards he sat on.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:37 AM
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19. I'm more interested in what he actually did on those boards
do you have that information?

I thought he did a fine job as Energy Secretary.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:38 AM
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20. And answer the questions raised about the recount in 2004
Why was Mr. DLC corporate board loving governor so intent on preventing it in New Mexico?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:49 AM
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22. I think there were state election laws which prevented the Greens and the Libertarians
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:50 AM by bigtree
from achieving the recount. The demand that they submit even more money to complete it was wrong, but the state's laws allowed the election board to demand that they pay out about a million to complete it. It was wrong, but the Greens and Libs solution was to offer to do a partial recount and pay part of what was demanded and Richardson, who had the say so, refused. I viewed what happened in NM as a result of some restrictive election laws and a balloting system which was almost 90% paperless. The NM legislature had the most authority to change the laws or allow some form of recount to proceed without soaking the plaintiffs, but I didn't think that Richardson had broad authority to just reach in and change the process in his state. He has to deal with the legislature. To his credit, he did ultimately get the law changed to make NM a leader in ballot reform.

I don't see why the chairman of the Democratic convention would be seen as wanting the nominee to lose, so this entire controversy doesn't make any sense at all. When folks assert that he wanted Kerry to lose, I'm dumbfounded by the stretch of credulity. Richardson was a strong Kerry supporter. Period.

Also, I'm not certain why it was so important that NM pursue Kerry votes after the election where NM would not have made any electoral difference in the outcome.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:59 AM
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24. Nice try.
But not correct.

http://www.iwantmyvote.com/recount/new_mexico/


You may want to do some research on this issue, I can tell you are not well versed and one would presume that you do care about fair and open elections.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:06 PM
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26. that is completely arrogant
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 12:07 PM by bigtree
you know it is.

I really can't tell what you're saying with the link. I know the history well. I've read through many opposition complaints. They are exhaustive, valuable accounts of problems with NM's election. The fact that the recount was not allowed to proceed means as much as, or no more than, whatever the outcome of the recount would have been. As for the state of NM's election system, it's actually been improved in the aftermath of the controversy to the point where it is a national model for reform.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:17 PM
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30. Go ask the folks in the election reform forum.
They will tell you what you seem to be missing.

Richardson blocked the efforts of others to be sure that ALL VOTES were counted, guess that doesn't matter to you, but to citizens of this nation that value our election process and a fair and clean election, it matters a great deal.

Go on, I double dog dare you to put the question out there to folks in the election reform forum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:21 PM
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32. I don't need to pick a fight with anyone
I stand by my confusion over why there is still a controversy. Their election system has been reformed, under the supervision and approval of the Governor.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:26 PM
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37. So says you and that governor
who now wants the office. Who said it would be picking a fight, it would be asking for the clarification on your confusion, but I guess you like ignorance and living in the make believe world of honor and good that Richardson has created.

We all have heros, I think you are backing the wrong guy, he is no hero and there is ample evidence that I have posted in this thread that would make a reasonable person wonder about his loyalties.

I don't see it as being loyal to the people.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:29 PM
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40. you are just full of *condescension
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 12:30 PM by bigtree
I guess this is good bye
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:46 PM
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45. It is you that is full of condescension - instead of taking the time
to actually look at the facts, you accept the smoke and mirrors.

I challenge you to pull the curtain back and to find out what the man behind them is really like, you would prefer to believe in the great and powerful.

If we don't educate ourselves on their tactics and their flaws, we will be selling our nation and our fellow citizens short.

I deserve better than the Clintons/Richardsons/Bushes and I think you do too, despite your refusal to learn or even to take the time to read what has been provided for you.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:49 PM
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47. I'm looking. I read quite a lot of his opposition's accounts and presentations.
I just don't happen to agree with your presentation of complaints.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:58 PM
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49. My complaints are valid and fact based.
It is just a shock to learn that the corruption has so many tentacles - awakening to the methods and means of control helps if we are to stop the abuses and regain the nation for We The People over $$$ THE CORPORATIONS.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:02 PM
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51. very generalized complaints, merh
rather a broad smear, in my view.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:13 PM
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55. Nope, nothing generalized about it.
HE HAS PROFITED at the hands of big business, oil corporations and is in bed with DLCers, that are now supported by one of the biggest and most powerful stealth PACS that has distorted our politics in the last 20 years. You don't like the facts, so you try to minimize them. Stick your fingers in your ears, you don't hear any noise, close your eyes and you won't see any facts.

Blind loyalty is dangerous.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:32 AM
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14. hell, why not include them all?
* Richardson was also required by New Mexico state law to make full financial disclosure on sources of income. His employer was listed as Kissinger McLarty Associates and reported income was as follows:

"Sources of income over $5,000: United World College (taught part-time and adviser to the president of the international college in Montezuma, N.M.); Harvard University (taught part-time at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government); U.S. Department of Energy; Institute of Peace (promotes peaceful resolution of international conflict); CNN (paid appearance on cable news network); FOX News (paid appearance on cable news network); Telemundo (Spanish-language network); Leading Authorities Inc. professional speaker agency); Christopher Webster Real Estate (Broker that rented out Richardson's home while he worked in Washington D.C.); Kissinger McLarty Associates; Salomon Smith Barney (financial services, investments); Civil Service Retirement Fund (federal retirement); Council for Responsible Nutrition (trade association, based in Washington, D.C., for the dietary supplement industry); Terra Solar (solar energy company); Interstate Natural Gas Association (trade association that advocates on behalf of the natural gas pipeline industry); Peregrine Systems, Inc. (software company based in San Diego, CA); FFD Development Co. (Cendant) (New York-based company that provides travel, real estate, vehicle and financial services around the world); EIF Management (Energy Investment Fund); Diamond Offshore Drilling Inc. (board member of oil drilling services company); Chartwell Partners LLC (human resources development company based in Illinois); CEMEX Inc. (Cement company); Choate Rosemary Hall (boarding and day secondary school in Wallingford, Conn.); Valero Corp. Services Corp. (board member of refining company based in San Antonio, TX); Greater Talent Network (celebrity speaking network)." <12>

"Memberships on boards of for-profit businesses: Freedom House; Natural Resources Defense Council; Spanish Colonial Arts Museum; Hispanic Radio Network; National Alliance for Hispanic Health; United Way International; United World College; Cendant Corporation; City National Bank; Commission on Election Reform; Diamond Offshore; EIF (Energy Investment Fund); Intellibridge Expert Network; Peregrine Systems; Terra Solar; Valero Energy Corp.; Venoco (Oil and gas company based in Carpinteria, CA); and American Energy Group Inc.(Houston-based oil and gas company)."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bill_Richardson
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:36 AM
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18. Sure looks like he was truly concerned about those boards
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:37 AM by merh
since he gave so much time and energy to each.

Maybe he just accepted some of them for his POLITICAL resume and others (like the FOX PAID CONSULTANT) for the money?

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:14 PM
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29. Sources of income over $5,000.00

"Sources of income over $5,000: United World College (taught part-time and adviser to the president of the international college in Montezuma, N.M.); Harvard University (taught part-time at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government); U.S. Department of Energy; Institute of Peace (promotes peaceful resolution of international conflict); CNN (paid appearance on cable news network); FOX News (paid appearance on cable news network); Telemundo (Spanish-language network); Leading Authorities Inc. professional speaker agency); Christopher Webster Real Estate (Broker that rented out Richardson's home while he worked in Washington D.C.); Kissinger McLarty Associates; Salomon Smith Barney (financial services, investments); Civil Service Retirement Fund (federal retirement); Council for Responsible Nutrition (trade association, based in Washington, D.C., for the dietary supplement industry); Terra Solar (solar energy company); Interstate Natural Gas Association (trade association that advocates on behalf of the natural gas pipeline industry); Peregrine Systems, Inc. (software company based in San Diego, CA); FFD Development Co. (Cendant) (New York-based company that provides travel, real estate, vehicle and financial services around the world); EIF Management (Energy Investment Fund); Diamond Offshore Drilling Inc. (board member of oil drilling services company); Chartwell Partners LLC (human resources development company based in Illinois); CEMEX Inc. (Cement company); Choate Rosemary Hall (boarding and day secondary school in Wallingford, Conn.); Valero Corp. Services Corp. (board member of refining company based in San Antonio, TX); Greater Talent Network (celebrity speaking network)." <12>


Look at corporations that have paid him at least over $5000 - take for instance, the Leading Authorities. Go to their site you will see a good many DLCers among their speakers. Then pay attention to this little tidbit from that site, this just proves the DLC/Neo-con connection to me.

U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Association Committee of 100 Meeting

Leading Authorities is the proud sponsor of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Association Committee of 100 Meeting. Attendees will enjoy presentations by former Clinton aide Doug Sosnik, co-founder of Apple Computer Steve Wozniak and Award-winning journalist Catherine Crier.

This event will be held December 2-5 at the Bellagio in Las Vegas, Nevada.

December 3: Doug Sosnik will be on a panel with Billy Tauzin, Frank Fahrenkopf and Governor Bill Graves. The session is called "Political Climate in 2007."

December 4: Steve Wozniak will be presenting "The Next Big Innovation," and Catherine Crier will be presenting her session entitled "Media and Politics in the 21st Century."

For more information on this event, please e-mail Laurie Austring at Laurie@lauthorities.com or call her at 1-800-SPEAKER x1041.
http://www.leadingauthorities.com/aboutLAI/lai_news_detail.htm/article/7933


Now take the time to research how the US Chamber of Commerce has been funding campaigns for the RNC and conservative judges throughout the nation. Look at it as the front for those who want to control the judiciary and the politics of this nation. Take the time to read about who they have supported over the last 10 to 15 years and why.

Just really take the time to learn about the corruption of politics today.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. this is all ridiculous innuendo
none of these corporations referenced tell me anything about his conduct on the boards or in their employ.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:41 PM
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43. It is not ridiculous inneundo.
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 12:43 PM by merh
Seriously, you need to get your head out of the clouds and take a good look at how the Republicans and the DLCers have been using the Chambers of Commerces, the Rotary Clubs, the Kiawana Clubs, the Lions Clubs to gain support and foster their notions as to what "America should be".

If you don't believe me about the US Chamber, then check out their list of accomplishments that they BRAG ABOUT ON THEIR SITE.

The U.S. Chamber fights for you every day. Learn what positive differences we were able to make-with your support-on economic growth and the U.S. business climate. And we're not done yet. With your help, we can accomplish all of our priorities.

* Antitrust
Sherman Act Section 2 Comments-Submitted comments to the Federal Trade Commission and the Department of Justice on Section 2 of the Sherman Act.
* Corporate Governance, Capital Markets, and Securities Regulation: Investment and Growth Initiative
Attorney-Client Privilege Waiver, Mutual Fund Rule, Auditing Profession, Capital Markets Commission, Executive Compensation
* Elections
Helped elect 222 out of 277 Chamber-endorsed candidates. Pro-business candidates won 19 of 35 targeted House races and 4 of 12 targeted Senate races.
* Energy and the Environment
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), Outer Continental Shelf (OCS), Refineries, Endangered Species Act (ESA), National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS)
* Global Anti-Counterfeiting And Piracy Initiative
Anti-Counterfeiting Legislation, Legislation, CACP, Education, Detection and Enforcement
* Health Care
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), Health Information Technology Bill, Medicare Physician Fix, Best Practices Guide
* Homeland Security
Customs, Border, and Transportation Security, Chemical Site Security, Patriot Act, Public-Private Partnership With the Intelligence Community, SAFETY Act
* Immigration Issues
Comprehensive Immigration Reform, H-2B Seasonal Visas, Highly Skilled Visas, Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), Electronic Employment Verification System
* International Trade and Investment
Omnibus Trade Package, CFIUS Reform, Free Trade Agreements, Ex-Im Bank Reauthorization
* Labor Issues
Federal Contractor Record Keeping, Minimum Wage, Americans with Disabilities Act, Corporate Campaigns and Union Card Check, Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
* Legal Reform
Asbestos Litigation Reform, Obesity Lawsuit Limits, Public Opinion, State Lawsuit Reforms
* National Chamber Litigation Center
The Chamber's law firm, the National Chamber Litigation Center (NCLC), continues to save companies hundreds of millions of dollars through its aggressive litigation program of filing amicus briefs and direct party challenges.
* Pension Issues
Comprehensive Pension Funding Reform, Deferred Compensation, Financial Statement Reporting

* Regulatory Reform
National Uniformity for Food Act, Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Database, Data Inconsistency, Implementation of the Data Quality Act
* Taxes
Estate (Death) Tax and Extenders Legislation, Tax Relief Reconciliation Legislation, Tax Extender Legislation, Acceleration of 3% Withholding Effective Date

* Technology & E-Commerce
Telecommunications Reform, Spectrum Allocation and Management
* Travel and Tourism
Co-sponsored the Global Travel and Tourism Summit, April 10-12. More than 900 leaders in the travel and tourism industry gathered to discuss the opportunities and challenges facing travel and tourism around the world.
* Workforce Training
Reauthorization of the Higher Education Act, Education and American Competitiveness, Education Reform, No Child Left Behind, Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM)
* Worldwide Sourcing
Opposition to Anti-Competitiveness Legislation, Global Sourcing

http://www.uschamber.com/issues/accomplishments/default.htm?n=tb


The US Chamber of Commerce is considered a stealth PAC:

http://www.stealthpacs.org/profile.cfm?org_id=43

Overview:

U.S. Chamber of Commerce

Stated Purpose:
Provides businesses with a voice of experience and influence in Washington, D.C., and around the globe.

Tax Status:
501(c)(6)

Political Orientation:
Republican

Profile:
Influencing elections has historically been a key function of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Bolstered by $10 million in contributions from drug companies in 2000,1 the Chamber disseminated messages that appeared intended to influence at least 22 congressional contests, and at least eight state judicial contests. The group spent nearly $1.2 million in the Michigan U.S. Senate race alone.2 3

The Chamber backed off television advertising in 2002, opting instead to fund a get-out-the-vote grassroots effort while providing other groups with money to air advertisements. In the 2002 election cycle, the Chamber's grassroots effort included sending out 50 field coordinators to 32 states, mailing almost two million letters, and making about one million get-out-the-vote phone calls -- almost double its 2000 figures in those categories -- the National Journal reported.4

The Chamber has also funded other groups. It gave $2.6 million in 2002 to the American Taxpayers Alliance (ATA), which ran ads attacking a Democratic Illinois Supreme Court candidate.5 The Chamber also gave an unspecified amount to Mississippians for Economic Progress, a group that ran ads in 2002 attacking Democratic Mississippi Supreme Court incumbent C. P. (Chuck) McRae.6 The Chamber's apparent silence in the 2002 Mississippi judicial races, combined with the sudden burst of advertising by the Law Enforcement Alliance of America in the Mississippi Supreme Court contest, prompted the Wall Street Journal to speculate that the Chamber was funding that group. (As of two weeks before the election, the LEAA had run more ads in that contest than the two candidates combined.) The Chamber declined to comment on whether it was behind the LEAA's work.7

Despite evidence of its payments to other groups, neither the Chamber nor the U.S. Chamber Institute for Legal Reform, an affiliate that promotes pro-business judges and seeks legislation to limit plaintiffs' rights, reported activity in 2000, 2001 or 2002 on the line of their tax form that calls for declarations of grants and allocations.8 In response to an inquiry from Public Citizen about the definition of grants for that line on the tax form, the IRS pointed to federal regulatory language describing grants as including "loans, program-related investments and payments to exempt organizations in furtherance of their exempt purpose."9

The State of Mississippi sued the Chamber following the 2000 election cycle, alleging that the organization's state judicial elections ads constituted unreported electioneering activity. The Chamber argued that its messages were not subject to regulation because they did not invoke "express advocacy" words, such as "vote for" or "vote against." A federal judge disagreed, calling the messages "thinly veiled exhortations to support the campaigns of . . . candidates."10 The 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals subsequently overruled that decision, finding that the Chamber did not violate Mississippi's election laws because it did not use express advocacy.11

Notably, the IRS definition of political expenditures, those for activities "intended to influence the selection, nomination, election, or appointment of anyone to a federal, state, or local public office,"12 is far broader than the express advocacy standard. Nonetheless, the Chamber reported zero political expenditures to the IRS from 2000 to 2002, alleging that none its advertisements and none of its contributions to other groups were intended to influence the outcomes of elections.13 14

The Chamber has made no secret of its plans to influence the 2004 elections. The group says it intends to spend $40 million to defeat state and federal candidates who oppose its agenda. Its top target is Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.).15 The Chamber followed through on its pledge by launching a $400,000 ad campaign in mid-August that accused Daschle of jeopardizing South Dakotans’ access to health care.16 17 The Chamber also broadcast an ad praising Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) in his campaign for the U.S. Senate.18

1 Tom Hamburger and Laurie McGinley, "Drug Lobby Wins Big With Massive Spending Against Medicare Plan," Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 2000.
2 Public Citizen's analysis of 2000 "Buying Time" database.
3 Campaign Media Analysis Group (CMAG) Reports, 2000.
4 Peter H. Stone and Shawn Zeller, "Business and Conservative Groups Won Big," National Journal, Nov. 9, 2002.
5 American Taxpayers Alliance 990 form, 2002.
6 Robert Lenzner and Matthew Miller, "Buying Justice; For Years Trial Lawyers Owned State Courts. Now Big Business Is Striking Back," Forbes, July 21, 2003.
7 Michael Orey, "Business Targets Judicial Race in 'Tort Mecca,'" Wall Street Journal, Oct. 30, 2002.
8 U.S Chamber of Commerce and Institute for Legal Reform 990 forms, 2000-2002.
9 IRS spokeswoman Nancy Mathis e-mail message to Public Citizen Senior Researcher Taylor Lincoln, Aug. 5, 2004.
10 Timothy R. Brown, "Chamber Must List Political Spending," Baton Rouge Advocate, Nov. 3, 2000.
11 Editorials, (Jackson, Miss.) Clarion-Ledger, Nov. 14, 2002.
12 IRS Form 990 Instructions, Line 81, 2003. (Available at www.irs.gov.)
13 U.S. Chamber of Commerce 990 forms, 1999-2002.
14 IRS Form 990 Instructions, Line 81, 2003. (Available at www.irs.gov.)
15 Brody Mullins, "Chamber Targets Daschle," Roll Call, Feb. 2, 2004.
16 U.S. Chamber of Commerce Web site. (Available at www.uschamber.com. Accessed on Aug. 20, 2004.)
17 "Group Targets Ads Against Daschle," Houston Chronicle, Aug. 20, 2004.
18 Meg Kinnard, "GOP Candidates Fill Airwaves in S.C. Senate," National Journal, May 10, 2004.





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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. So, Richardson associates with the DLC and has to account for all of it's member's faults?
I prefer to judge the candidates on their record, their experience, and their aspirations. These tell me nothing about Richardson's.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. His record proves he is in the bed with oil corporations, banking
institutes and business concerns, not for the people.

So if you are going by his "record" how the hell can you back him?

DLC/Republicanlite - doesn't care about our rights, our needs, the citizens, he cares about corporations and businesses. We can wash his car and walk his dogs for him.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:01 PM
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50. just presenting these board positions doesn't show anything of the sort
It's just not true that someone on a board of an energy corporation has no care for the people over his employer. If you can demonstrate that with more than innuendo, it would be much more credible than just convicting him because of the associations. What are these corporation's records in the state and community and what was his role in the corporations? It's not unusual at all for westerners to have an energy connection.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:10 PM
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54. Good, live in make believe land
don't see that making money (not just on the boards) by being associated with the CORPORATIONS is the same as being in bed with them.

You like your hero, I hope his lies and deceit don't cause you too much pain when he lets you down. I'll do my best to keep him out of office so he can't let the nation down.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:17 PM
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57. this is childish taunting
I'm 46 and tired. I'm not a campaigner or a consultant. I'm just a active American with an opinion. I'm as well-informed as many, and more than most. I don't believe I have very many 'heroes', but I'd have to put Martin Luther King in that category and make plenty of room for him to stand above the rest. I don't think any of these candidates are square with the public at all times, but I know enough about the governor to support him in his presidential bid.

I have, by the way, sworn off of criticizing other candidates and will spend my advocacy on promoting Richardson and the positions of others I agree with, as well as supporting the eventual nominee.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:26 PM
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59. It is you that is behaving childishly
You refuse to see what has been presented, you want to hero worship and nothing presented to you will knock your hero from the pedastal.

Advocating a man in bed with corporations, a man tied to the Stealth Pacs that have distorted our judicial system and the balance of power in Congress for the last 10 years or so, that is not promoting for the good of our nation, that is blind hero worship.

I seriously suggest that you do some true studies of his corporate connections.

FYI, I do this to all the DLC corrupt candidates, Richardson isn't alone, so don't feel so damned picked on.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:28 PM
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60. I'm not a DLC candidate
I have no hero on a pedestal. I have a candidate who I am presently supporting for president.

I'd be more than willing to read any analysis of his conduct in these corporations.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:31 PM
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61. You've got it - Valore brags how he has been such a good friend
to them for 20 years. An Oil corporation that enjoyed his friendship so much while he was Secretary of Energy that they gave him a job on their board as soon as he left office.

Yes, hero worship of a DLCer that loves corporations and businesses a lot more than he loves the right of each citizen to have their votes counted. He champions for the corporations, so much so, they put him on their boards. He stopped the recount in 2004, denying the voters, the people, their right to a fair election.

Blind hero worship.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:34 PM
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62. Again, with the taunting
This is sickening.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
39. No not really, because most people here support someone else
and so you can't really get many objective opinions. What you should do is independent research on your own of his overall record and come to some kind of conclusion.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:01 AM
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5. here ya go
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:01 AM by bigtree
here's a site which is doing an incredible job updating his efforts so far with links:

The Bill Richardson Watch
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/57305.html



The Richardson File (background)

Richardson related links and resources:
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/47552.html#richardsonlinks

RICHARDSON LINKS

Governor of New Mexico official web site
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/index2.php

www.richardsonforpresident.com
http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/

www.myspace.com/richardsonforpresident
http://www.myspace.com/richardsonforpresident

The blogosphere on Bill: A Richardson Technorati search
http://technorati.com/search/Bill+Richardson

About .com: Bill Richardson
http://usliberals.about.com/od/stategovernors/p/GovRichardson.htm

Bill Richardson's gubernatorial 2006 campaign site
http://www.billrichardson2006.com/

The record:

Bill Richardson info page (from Vote Smart.org)
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H2505103

Richardson's Congressional voting record by issue
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=H2505103

Richardson's public statements, 2003-2006 A Vote Smart Index with over 400 separate entries of transcripts, speeches, and statements from 2003 to the present. searchable by keword and/or date.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech.php?can_id=H2505103

Richardson Veto record A record of veto action by the Governor, since 2003.
http://www.vote-smart.org/official_veto.php?can_id=H2505103

Campaign contributions for Bill Richardson's 2006 gubernatorial campaign As charted by the Institute on Money in State Politics. This page lists the top contributors to Bill's coffers by individual or organization, and also analyses by industry and economic sector . You can also compare the data from the current cycle to donations for Richardson's 2002 campaign. The Institute also covers other state races as well.
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/state_overview.phtml?si=200632#election_totals

Political support:

The Bill Richardson Blog An unofficial blog by two of his ardent supporters.
http://billrichardsonblog.com/

America for Richardson another unofficial political support site.
http://americaforrichardson.org/

The Case for Bill Richardson An analysis by the Western Democrat site on Richardson's potential for the 2008 presidency.
http://www.westerndemocrat.com/2006/01/the_case_for_bi.html

Political opposition:

John Dendahl for Governor Republican John Dendahl ran against Richardson in the 2006 gubernatorial contest. See The New Mexican editorial on the contest.
http://www.dendahlforgovernor.com/

John Dendahl on Uncommon Sense Dendahl makes occasional posts on this conservative blog.
http://citizenoutreachblog.com/?cat=3

Fat Bill and Me Donald Coviello offers feisty commentary on Richardson (among other topics).
http://fatbillandme.blogspot.com/

New Mexico-based political blogs:

Terrell's 2007 Legislature blog On a brand new blog platform. Normally, Terrell deciphers the spin and decodes the mysteries of the annual state legislature on this blog, but Richardson's presidential campaign developments will figure into his coverage this year.
http://blogs.freenewmexican.com/terrell

Roundhouse Report Kate Nash of the Albuquerque Tribune puts the Duke city perspective on Santa Fe politics.
http://blogs.scripps.com/albq/state/

http://larrycalloway.com/ Larry covered New Mexico politics and government for 10 years with the Associated Press.
http://larrycalloway.com/

New Mexico Politics with Joe Monahan A former political reporter turned PR consultant, Monahan is a well-known presence on the New Mexico political and media scene.
http://joemonahansnewmexico.blogspot.com/

http://www.hiphopvoterproject.blogspot.com/ Julia Goldberg is the editor of the Santa Fe Reporter, the city's weekly. Her blog started as a voter education project but evolved into her "personal, sometimes newsy musings".
http://www.hiphopvoterproject.blogspot.com/

http://www.marioburgos.com/ "Clear thinking and straight talk from the top of a mountain." Businessman and political candidate Mario Burgos surveys New Mexico politics.
http://www.marioburgos.com/

http://newmexiken.com/ "Half Wisdom · Half Whimsy · Half Wit"
http://newmexiken.com/

Other links of interest regarding Richardson:
http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/

"Annals of Diplomacy Backfire", Carl Nagin, The New Yorker A January 26, 1998 piece analysing Richardson's role in unofficial diplomatic initiatives in Cuba.
http://www.hermanos.org/Backfire.htm
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:05 AM
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7. now that is some serious info
:)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. whoa! That's going to take a while
Thanks for taking the time to put all of that together! *bookmarking*
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:21 AM
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10. Don't miss this page
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 11:21 AM by bigtree
The Bill Richardson Watch
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/57305.html

It's a balanced (regularly updated) review with links to all angles of his coverage, pro and con.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:23 AM
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11. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him
but I won't be very happy about it.

Remember, he presided over the Wen Ho Lee witch hunt. He stopped any hope of a recount in 2004 and had those machines wiped, even though everybody knew the numbers didn't add up and 17,000+ of us had our votes in the national election erased. The first thing he did in office was cut taxes on the richest, leaving the state with a shortfall when it came to paying teachers. When he ended the retail tax on food, he did it in such a way to give most of us a net tax increase by raising fees and licenses 50% and sales taxes on everything else another percentage point.

One hopes he's learned from these mistakes, but since he's never acknowledged them as mistakes, this is highly doubtful.

He's gotten my vote for governor because the GOP runs nightmares and the Greens didn't field candidates opposing him.

However, he's pro choice and a Democrat. Although I won't vote for him in the primary, I will in a general election if it comes to that.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:36 AM
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17. Same here. I would have to hold my nose.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:39 AM
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21. I don't even think nose-holding would help me to be able to do it
:(
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:58 AM
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23. Richardson is 100% DLC. He's is pro-school vouchers, pro-NAFTA/anti-Fair Trade, pro-medical savings
accounts, pro-death penalty/anti-death-penalty-appeals/pro-enhanced sentencing for nonviolent drug crimes/pro-replacing judicial discretion with mandatory jail time, pro-faith-based social services, pro-tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy, and he has been a hawk on "homeland security" and military base issues.

I believe Richardson is positioning himself as a VP nominee for his long time political ally, Hillary Clinton. I will support a Clinton/Richardson ticket if that's what we get from our primary contests, but it's not my preference (I'd much rather see nominees from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, any combination of Gore, Edwards, Clark, Kucinich, Dodd, or Obama).
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. you got any references, links, or attributions yet
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 12:00 PM by bigtree
so folks can measure the timber of your complaints?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. I remember he and Newt were two peas in a pod
back in 93-94 during the NAFTA, GATT, and WTO fights. He was all over CSPAN and CNN with is repuke-like talking points.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:10 PM
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28. so were Clinton and Gore, the folks he worked for on the trade bills
he actually has a lot to say about his regrets, and the mistakes and shortcomings of the trade bills which he believes need to be addressed.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:24 PM
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35. I was livid with Clinton and Gore also.
I would hope Richardson and all the dems that stabbed us in the back have awakened.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:27 PM
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38. he was what, trade ambassador?
I guess he could have resigned, but he carried their water on these.

We've allowed candidates, VP's and the like to distance themselves from their presidential employers. Richardson should be given the opportunity to say where he differed or differs from that service.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Richardson was a congressman back then
Mickey Kantor was the trade rep. He replaced Carla Hills when Clinton took office.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:37 PM
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42. well, show me where you say he instigated himself in the passage of a trade agreement
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 12:41 PM by bigtree
with Gingrich. Is there any where you could point me to where his role is outlined?

I thought he was U.N ambassador at the time of fast-track
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #42
52. I think you're confused
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 01:03 PM by Elwood P Dowd
Richardson was one of the point men from the House dems who were pushing NAFTA. Another was Robert Matsui. You would have to go back and watch 1993 and 1994 tape from CSPAN and CNN. They were both very prominent spokesmen pushing that agreement and often appeared with and sounded exactly like Newt Gingrich. Richardson was appointed to the UN job after those two trade fights.



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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:07 PM
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53. all I'm asking for are the references to the assertion of his association with Gingrich
I know he was involved in the passage of the agreements, but I don't see that as a sinister thing, nor do I believe that what Gingrich wanted and what the Clinton administration were fighting for were one and the same. That's an important distinction, and I wondered if you could back up your assertions with a reference.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. Hell, it's been 14 fucking years since I watched the NAFTA debates
in the House. Richardson and Gingrich were in lockstep on that agreement. They used almost the exact same talking points.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:23 PM
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58. well, if you're dead set against the entire process these folks were the enemy
but, there were significant point of disagreement over penalties, tariffs, environmental protections, and worker's rights and protections which Democrats were arguing to have included. That's the opposition I remember coming from the republicans at the time. They didn't want Clinton to have the power to negotiate these in without being able to soften them up with amendments.

I would rather there weren't any of these deals, but, they had provisions which Bush has refused to implement, like enforcement provisions. I don't have the steam up yet to weave through Richardson's statements at the time, but I'd sure like to see them to judge for myself.

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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:35 PM
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63. All the dems got were some unenforceable and worthless side agreements
for show. Richardson sounded more like a republican than a democrat during that whole process. I've been told that some democrats have come out and admitted they made a terrible mistake supporting those trade agreements. Is Richardson one of those?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. you know, I heard a half-apology. He's taking a less apologetic stance
of seeking reforms to the agreements.


I'd prefer they scrap them, but I don't know the politics of it all.

here's something recent (I expect more as the campaign progresses):

The union question posed to Richardson concerned trade and workers’ rights. He responded by stating, “What we need in this country is fair trade, not just unabashed free trade,” which drew vocal approval from the crowd. Richardson said that future trade agreements should all contain provisions addressing workers’ rights, environmental protection and wage disparities.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/2007/02/democrats_going_for_gold_hold.html
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:43 PM
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44. as UN ambassador . . .

Bipartisan Push for 'Fast Track' Bill Coming Apart
By John F. Harris and Paul Blustein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 28, 1997; Page A04

{snip}

Passage of legislation to give Clinton expanded power to negotiate free-trade agreements is endangered by mutual suspicions. Republicans say Clinton looks increasingly unlikely to bring along his share of Democratic votes to assure passage, and some are hinting that the measure may be deferred until next year. Administration officials say the fast-track bill will pass this fall or never, and some privately say they worry that Republicans are more interested in handing Clinton an embarrassing defeat than they are in passing the free-trade bill.

However, some White House officials said their fast-track prospects may be less dire than they appear. The pattern in previous trade votes, such as the 1993 passage on the North American Free Trade Agreement, is that support builds in the final days before a vote. These officials who take a more optimistic view say that in the end, the issue will come down to a simple one of pro-trade versus restricted trade. They say that as they analyze the House, there are still more votes on the pro-trade side.

Recognizing their peril, senior officials in the White House last week threw themselves into a more vigorous effort to woo Democrats.

A dozen Cabinet and senior sub-Cabinet officials were summoned to the White House Friday, where they divvied up lists of Democratic lawmakers to be lobbied. Participating in the campaign are expected figures, such as Daley, as well as some surprising ones, like Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and Bill Richardson, ambassador to the United Nations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/trade/stories/tr092897.htm
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:23 PM
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33. Here are sources. By the way, my points are not "complaints" - I just don't share Richardson's views
and I'm offering issue-based information with which people can objectively weigh Richardson's candidacy.

Those people who share Richardson's views should support him; those people like me who don't share Richardson's DLC ideology, should support someone else in the primary; and then we should all support the nominee in the general election whether it's Richardson or any one of the six candidates I'd prefer.

Here are a few links to sources (if you want more, let me know):

http://www.ontheissues.org/Bill_Richardson.htm
http://www.whereistand.com/BillRichardson/16327
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:17 PM
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31. he's better than Vilsack..
IMO this makes Richardson the better of the two Governors running for the nomination. But I'm leaning even more toward Edwards and Gravel after yesterday's forum.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:24 PM
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36. Richardson Is Really Good And Is Definitely A Sleeper In This Race Right Now.
He definitely could turn out to be a real contender.
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