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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:21 PM
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California Du'ers, have you seen the proposed budget cuts? And Arnold is trying to suspend prop 98
info on prop 98. The biggest budget cuts look like they are coming right out of education, i'd be willing to pay a little more in taxes to avoid education cuts.

published 12:00 am PST Friday, January 11, 2008

In his budget proposal Thursday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger talked about cutting funding to education, a prospect that immediately raised concerns with local schools officials and families.

How tightly can the state pinch funding for education? What kinds of cuts would local schools have to endure?

The Bee talked with staff at the Legislative Analyst's Office, a nonpartisan state government agency, about what the budget proposals could mean for area schools. And we asked them to explain the California law known as Proposition 98.

Q: What is Proposition 98?

A: Passed by voters in 1988, Proposition 98 created a complex set of formulas establishing how much money the state gives K-12 schools and community colleges. The formulas give education at least 40 percent of the state budget, but the precise portion depends on the state's fiscal condition each year. In general, the funding formulas ensure that each year, education gets more than it did the prior year.

Q: What does Proposition 98 do for schools?

A: It guarantees a minimum amount of funding for them each year, making it harder – but not impossible – for the state to trim spending on schools. Essentially, Proposition 98 assures that the government treats education differently than other state services – such as transportation, prisons and social services – whose budgets fluctuate more widely because they are hammered out in political negotiations every year.

Q: What does it mean to suspend Proposition 98?

A: The law allows the Legislature to toss out Proposition 98 funding formulas with a two-thirds vote and approval from the governor. Suspending Proposition 98 means the minimum funding for education is not guaranteed for a given year and the government funds education at a lower level. State officials keep track of the money that has been cut to schools and create a formula to get the schools back – in future years – to where they would have been had their budgets not been cut.

Q: What would happen if the state suspends Proposition 98?

A: Government would have to treat education funding like other public services, determining how much money to allocate based on a combination of program needs and political pressure. Under the budget proposal the governor presented Thursday – which includes a suspension of Proposition 98 – education funding next year would be cut by about $4 billion compared with what it would have been if Proposition 98 stayed in place.

Q: What impact would I see in my local schools if Proposition 98 is suspended?

A: Responses to the budget cuts would likely vary greatly among the state's 1,000 school districts, depending on what kind of employee union contracts they have and trends in student enrollment. Growing school districts, such as Folsom Cordova Unified, will feel the budget cuts much less than shrinking districts, such as San Juan Unified and Sacramento City Unified, will. Districts that negotiate employee contracts each year will probably try to freeze salaries, while districts where employee contracts are set for three years will be locked into giving raises. Historically, when budgets are reduced, school districts cut back on transportation, lay off employees, increase class sizes, and cut non-mandated activities like like band, electives and field trips.

Go to: Sacbee / Back to story
http://www.sacbee.com/101/v-print/story/626287.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:32 PM
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1. Arnold has been trying to balance the budget since the overthrow
of Grey Davis because he couldn't do it, yet I don't see any Californians outraged about this and calling for his recall. This was what Arnold campaigned on "opening and balancing the books and running California as a business". He's incompetant and unable to do the job because he has his head so far up corporate America's ass. Not only that, Arnold has the person who caused this problem, Gov. Pete Wilson, as a consultant.

The only way to balance the budget is to raise taxes and there are plenty of taxes that can be raised from the glut of billionaires that we have in this state who do not proportionately pay their fair share. I have no sympathy for fellow Californians who won't work to get him and other neo-con corporatists out of office in the sixth largest economy in the world.

Arnold has to go, but I can't do it by myself.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:33 PM
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2. well hell i',m ready to grab the pitch fork! I am so pissed about this and as usual
special needs kids get screwed first.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:46 PM
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17. Gray Davis COULD have done it had he not been recalled...
If you look at his intentions and why he was recalled, you'll see it was just a big ol' bullshit farce. Davis knew we needed to raise taxes. That's why we now have a pseudo-Republicon, The Governator.

I think this latest tactic is another Hollywood Governator script... these proposed cuts are an outrage! And that's what he wants us to see, an outrageous way to deal with the situation. Then, by comparison, we won't care about getting a tax hike.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:51 PM
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19. i'm sure his BFF jay Leno will have him on in the next 2 weeks to let him explain
to us average folk why he needs to make cuts.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:13 PM
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25. I hope he uses little words...
I'm sure we wouldn't understand otherwise... we so dumb, he so smart, yaknow.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:14 PM
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26. you know what help, if he used lots of lines from his movies, he never does that
and it would so refreshing!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:31 PM
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29. Did you hear him when he said he wouldn't use other people's lines?
It was pretty icky.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:11 PM
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30. Gray Davis HAD to be recalled.
Because he was about to allow serious investigations into Enron (and other energy scandals that directly hurt CA residents) to proceed.

We can't have that, now can we?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:16 PM
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31. Bingo!
Now tell me there are no conspiracies. I remember catching a lot of flack in those days for suggesting such a thing.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:26 PM
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32. Nothing to see here!
It's just a massive coincidence that the suit against Enron was settled for pennies on the dollar right after Arnie was elected.

:tinfoilhat:

And since energy deregulation worked out SO very well, let's try it with the state parks now!

:banghead:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:43 PM
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35. Perhaps there's a Halliburton subsidiary that can take on...
the job of managing our forests and beaches! Sure! That's the ticket.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:50 PM
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36. "Welcome to the KBR Biosphere! Please line up for the Rubber Glove."
"We'll have those sea lions fitted with oil drills in no time. Please do watch your step, as the sandcrabs are mined."

And people make fun of us in CA for being environmentalist wackos....
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:55 PM
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39. You've got that right!
Walk a mile in our moccasins first, then scrape the goo off them and tell me we shouldn't care about our environment.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:52 PM
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37. Nope. n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:54 PM
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38. Bustamente may not have been the most charismatic of cats...
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 03:54 PM by Ignis
But he was certainly about to tear Enron a new one if he'd been elected.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:42 PM
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40. Oh, I know Grey Davis could have done it.
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 04:45 PM by Cleita
He wasn't given time to do it. I should have said he couldn't do it in the time he had up to then. If he had been able to finish his elected term, I know he would have done it and then some. What I'm saying is why aren't we keeping Arnold to the same standard of recallability?
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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:39 PM
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3. Wasn't the lottery supposed to be used for education?
Where the hell is that money going anyway?


    Edwards '08 tees!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:42 PM
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4. prop 13 really hurt education funding, as for the lottery, who the hell knows.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:50 PM
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8. In my experience, lotteries are useless for education unless it's put into a separate fund, but...
often legislators put the funds into the general budget, and that's where all the pork comes in for pet projects, usually not education projects.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:55 PM
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20. Thats sort of the way it worked in Virginia
Yes all of the state lottery proceeds go to Education, but the General Assembly just reduces the amount appropriated to education by the State. Schools wind up with exactly what they had before the lotter, and not one red cent more.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:16 PM
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28. My kids' elementary school principal screwed the school over...
He replaced all the beautiful, solid oak furniture, circa 1930, with trashy plastic and metal crap... in the library, classrooms, cafeteria... all crap that won't last. We used them for Cub Scout meetings and they were rickety within six months! All that beautiful solid oak furniture would have outlasted all the students there. Apparently there are rules involved that preclude schools from purchasing anything meaningful with that money.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:44 PM
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5. Like any other state the monies from the lottery replace
set spending... and in time reduce education budget

The lottery is a scam
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BellaLuna Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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6. Prop 13 is killing this state
it's 30 or so years old now and doesn't fit the current situation. That's the f'ing problem here.

It's unfair taxation for those of us who did not buy homes pre 197? - can't remember the exact year :-(

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:50 PM
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10. God forbid anyone ever talk about prop 13! FU Howard Jarvis.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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7. If you cut funding to public education, this will only lead to a more ignorant workforce.
Do you want workers dumb enough to accept decreasing salaries and deteriorating pensions and progressively less health care benefits but just smart enough to push the paperwork and operate the equipment?

I'm assuming this will also affect public universities in California as well. More students will be forced to take out interest-bearing student loans when there are fewer grant dollars for them offered at the state level. The federal level? Forget it. The Pell Grant in terms of purchasing power is a joke. This could be a boom for student loan divisions at private banks.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:53 PM
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11. it's going to cut special ed and increase class sizes along with a whole host of other cuts
in education. He won't even float the idea of any type of tax increase, even something minimal would help, my sales tax rate 7.75% it wouldn't bother me it was 8% to avoid cuts. Prop 98 was passed just so these cuts wouldn't happen in a budget crisis.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:50 PM
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9. Recall time
Re-call-a! Re-call-a!
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:30 PM
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12. Why don't y'all quit throwing so many people in prison?
Half of the people in prison in California are non-violent offenders. One out of five is doing time for a drug offense. That's 30,000 people behind bars who didn't do anything to anybody.

How's that prison guard union doing these days? What do they make? $60,000 a year?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:34 PM
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14. Schwarzenegger proposing to free 22,000 low-risk offenders early.
how much should a prison guard make, i wouldn't want that job if it paid $150k a year, no thank you.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:02 PM
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22. actually
if they cut prisoners, they must cut some guards....:shrug:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:06 PM
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23. maybe.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:40 PM
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16. With overtime (and they get a lot of OT) many of them make over 100K/yr
which, considering that most of the state prisons are in BFE, is a fuck of a lot. Money goes a lot farther in Chowchilla or Susanville or some place like that than it does in an urban area.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:49 PM
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18. That's not a problem specific to California. But I agree. Really, we should legalize AND tax pot.
It would be a massive cash crop for this state, and we would have the added bonus of saving all that idiotic drug war money we spend trying to "fight" it.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:35 PM
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34. Those are FEDERAL sentencing mandates but into place.
in the Reagan administration. Talk to the feds, WE didn't do that. And, btw, we de-criminalized pot in 1978 so that's not really an issue AND we've made MM legal. Also, first-time drug offenders are automatically sent to re-hab. A lot of the people in prison for drugs are for manufacturing methamphetamines and, imo, they need to lock those guys up and throw away the prison.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:33 PM
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13. Ridiculous....
education? yah we need more dumb people with no art, music, special education.

And the closing of the State parks is horrendeous.....
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:35 PM
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15. and closing Sutter Fort which has lots of volunteers working there. what's 5th grade
without an overnighter to Sutter's Fort?
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:14 PM
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27. I'll happily pay an extra .5% in sales tax here in L.A. county. Also, I agree
that we should legalize pot, definitely release people who are in prison for drug offenses and other reasons that would be apropriate. I also wonder how much we spend on having a department in Law Enforcement like the Vice Squad? I'm a 50 y.o. lesbian and I think prostitution should be legal like it is in some counties in Nevada. I had to do a paper while at Cal State and it's amazing how well regulated the brothels are (at least the one's I spoke with). Not to mention the fact that the chances of catching an STD are very low.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:07 PM
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24. Close Armstrong Woods?????
:wtf: And the cuts to the CalWorks program and dental & optometry cuts for MediCal are draconian to say the very least. Arnold needs to be run out of town on the rail. Oh wait, that's right we don't have a rail in CA.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:01 PM
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21. Rs hate public schools and parks
just another move to either gut or privatize everything.

The proposal will close the (only) two state parks in Lake Co., one of which is a major tourist camping area and is booked most of the summer. Cut off nose to spite face.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:27 PM
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33. I'd like to know what he's doing with all of the so-called millions
he's claiming to have from the new Indian gaming establishments in S. Ca. ???

He's called an "emergency" so now he gets to do whatever he wants. Geez, does that sound familiar??

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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:43 PM
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41. Raise. Taxes. Tax. Property. EOM.
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