Big Brother tightens his grip...

[Subdivisions]

Chertoff on live right now talking about Real ID. I don't know a whole lot about this but I do know one thing. I don't want the United States government having control of my identification. Texas has always done a good job by me of providing the means of identifying me and I don't need anything from DHS.

Could those of you who have information and links on this issue please post them for those of us who wrongly thought this would never fly? I would appreciate it.

[rodeodance]

1. slowly but surely-it will come to fruitation-----and we think it Natural/common-sence and NOT

question it. It will part of our everyday lives

[fenriswolf]

2. dont forget the underage minor id program called....wait for it.....

FAKE ID

[riqster]

3. We are frogs in a pan of water nt

[ThomWV]

4. Dear sweet Jesus, he's talking like its a done deal. We've got National ID issued by the states

Sure, call it a driver's license standard, sure call those chips life-savers, sure, get everyone's name and basic information to start individual files on every American, sure, go ahead and link the ID to every other bit of information that is collected on every oe of us every day - Sure, Big Brother, use it any way you like.

[hootinholler]

16. That's because if things remain the same as now it *is* a done deal.

Laws on the books, clock's ticking towards state compliance...

-Hoot

[tridim]

5. I'm having "Max Headroom" flashbacks..

Remember the "Blanks" from the show? I think anonymity will be a new growth industry if Chertoff's Big Brother dreams come true.

[fenriswolf]

7. i think you might be right

as much of an industry as fake Id's and passports are imagine how much someone will pay to have their "file" wiped.

[cascadiance]

10. We ESPECIALLY need a new "Big Time Television" and someone like Blank Reg!

[librechik]

6. sometimes State's Rights just has to take a back seat to raw power.

The Pukkkes are not very consistent on this issue.

[bonito]

8. Here

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/secure_driver_s_licenses;_ylt=Ah2C9ndPir3KQRw3Adzf6zSs0NUE

[cynatnite]

9. 17 states have legislation and resolutions rejecting the Real ID Act...

It'll be quite a while, if ever, that this thing is enacted.

[snot]

11. Don't they include RFID chips? So much worse than mere fed. i.d. --

if that's the case, why is no one talking about what they really are?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

12. Here's some information,

EPIC Alert 12.12 (06/16/05)
http://epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_12.12.html

On June 6, 2005, representatives of many organizations that raised
concerns about REAL ID and related proposals met in Washington, DC, to
discuss next steps at EPIC's symposium, "National ID at the Crossroads:
The Future of Privacy in America.” The event included panels about the
technology, law, impact of, and international issues associated with
identification.

In May, Congress passed the supplemental military spending bill to which
the REAL ID Act was attached. REAL ID, a national ID program, mandates
federal identification standards and requires that state DMVs collect
sensitive personal information. Congress passed REAL ID without a
hearing even though legislators in both parties urged debate, and more
than 600 organizations opposed the bill. Under the REAL ID Act, state
DMVs will have to verify identification documents and the legal status
of immigrants. States are mandated to link their databases so that all
information collected by each DMV can be accessed.

Law
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:3:./temp/~c109xdUCF5:e46432:

http://epic.org/privacy/rfid/

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

13. KICK

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

14. AGAIN - KICKED

[lame54]

15. here is a pic to accompany your title...

Big Brother tightens his grip