With Tears In His Eyes, BUSH: "We Should Have Bombed AUSCHWITZ"

[kpete]

Bush: US should have bombed Auschwitz By ARON HELLER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 22 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt the killing, the memorial's chairman said.

Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a "sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims for not losing their faith.

Wearing a yarmulke, Bush placed a red-white-and-blue wreath on a stone slab that covers ashes of Holocaust victims taken from six extermination camps. He also lit a torch memorializing the victims.

"Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said.

more at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_israel_holocaust

[babylonsister]

1. He did NOT say that, did he?

:wow: Is that the solution to everything now, bomb it? And what about the survivors? They don't matter? Judging from what's happening under his watch, question asked and answered.

[leftchick]

2. bomb the hell out of them!

It is indeed his solution for everything and what he perceives as bringing "Peace". He is a lunatic!

[BOSSHOG]

4. We should bomb Army Hospitals

to end the pain and suffering of our soldiers.

Those wacky guys with conservative values always have a handy solution.

[malaise]

11. With George

all bombs are possible, but Grandpa was too busy supporting the Nazis.

What a fugging fraud.

Add

[roguevalley]

110. Prescott Bush helped make Auschwitz possible. what an inhumane

waste of space this beast is. Bush is truly the beast of the Apocolypse.

[Zorra]

130. Yeah. Bu*h has tears in his eyes because grampa wasted so much money

gassing the children of Israel in Auschwitz instead of just simply bombing them to death.

Well, maybe grampa made more cash by keeping them alive for awhile - you know how oligarchic capitalism is - gotta weigh your "options".
:puke:

[moodforaday]

129. So can someone bomb Guantanamo now?

Or Bagram?

Of course, since we're not thinking about the people incarcerated there and all...

[SharonAnn]

133. Was he acting? His eyes welled up? Was it real? Playing the emotion card?

[bigtree]

3. christ

no surprise

[Postman]

5. Hello, George? They didn't have precision guided munitions back then.

So are you suggesting that the entire camp should have been bombed?

Killing EVERYONE,

including the people whom you have crocodile tears for?

Why don't you just stay in Israel you sick fuck.

[dave123williams]

102. There's nothing 'precision' about what a 500lb bomb does.

[dave123williams]

103. So, where's the media pile-on about how showing emotion is a sign of weakness?

Ah, right; that's just important if a woman does it.

[slor]

6. I agree that we should...

have bombed the rail lines that lead to Auschwitz. But he probably did not even think of that.

[Postman]

10. anti-semitism wasn't an isolated prejudice peculiar to Germany.

As I'm sure you're well aware.

Although there were no Auschwitz's in the US, the history of anti-semitism in the US isn't pretty.

I think there was alot of "looking the other way" type of stuff going on until the full scope and horror became readily apparent.

[riqster]

12. Which is why the US got into the Israel-Centered Middle East POV in the 40's

...guilty consciences.

[Postman]

18. But of all scumbags of scumbags to be shedding tears..A Bush family member.

The Bush family helped Hitler rise to power.

Why is it the American people are not informed by the news media about the fascsist ties the Bush family had with Hitler?

Is it because fascism (or authoritarianism) is an ally of Capitalism?

Capitalism doesn't give a shit what type of gov't another country may have as long as it can make its money.

[riqster]

26. I know. Bush is living proof of the dangers of inbreeding

...all those la-di-dah bluebloods fucking each other sexually and the rest of the world economically.

[Prophet 451]

61. "fascism should more properly be called Corporatism"

I think that was Mussolini.

[kelligesq]

145. I wondered that for years. Tweety with all his gossip never

mentioning it nor any of the others. And cheerleading for the war....which they
conveniently have forgotten also.

[spotbird]

50. The history of genocide in the US isn't pretty

from the Native Americans to the slaves. The treatment of Katrina survivors was a giant leap toward mass murder in the information age. We have no claim to moral high ground.

[Zynx]

85. On the point of anti-semitism, our record is one of the best in the world.

Compare ours to Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Poland, Russia, or anywhere else except the Netherlands.

[DutchLiberal]

106. I am sad to say the Dutch have also collaborated with the Nazi's on a bigger scale...

than we want to acknowledge. :( 107.000 out of the 140.000 Jews who live in The Netherlands were deported eastward. 101.800 of them were murdered or died in concentration camps.

In 1941, there was the 'February strike', when workers, starting in Amsterdam but later on spreading through the north of Holland, went on strike to protest the way the Nazi's were treating the Jews.

Unfortunately, there was also something called 'Joodsche Raad' ('Jewish Council'), set up by the Nazi's in the same year. Jewish Dutchmen lead the Council to gather as much information as they could about the Jewish Dutch people and pass it on to the Nazi's. They used this information to deport the Jews. The Jewish Dutchmen leading the Council also assisted in deporting the other Jews. In 1943, they ended up in concentration camps themselves.

Other Dutchmen have collaborated with the Nazi's, too. Especially the NSB, a national-socialistic party set up after the Nazi Party. But in 'our' defense: the party was very small, and the collaboration was not even near the scale it was in e.g. France.

[JuniperLea]

91. Bush waged genocide on Iraq too

That's what this war is all about! Well, that, and oil, obviously.

[OzarkDem]

48. Close in, it was not technically possible

[mtnester]

120. OMG you used the word think in a sentence pertaining to something the pResident

might do.

Funny you!

[cynatnite]

135. He's too damn lazy to get informed n/t

[ellisonz]

150. Agreed.

[mmonk]

7. Ummmmm. Wouldn't that have killed all the prisoners instantly?

I think liberation is a better idea.

[bunkerbuster1]

14. Bombing it, or at minimum the infrastructure / rail lines around it, would've sent a message.

Fact is, the Allies let the Axis know that we weren't real concerned about their death camps by allowing them to operate unmolested.

I'm not looking to start a flame war here, but for the record, I'm giving Chimpy a pass on that comment. I could see saying something similar; furthermore, what he said is being quoted out of context, second hand.

[Marrah_G]

24. I would think if we had bombed the infrastructure they would have just killed the surviving ....

...prisoners and left.

[bunkerbuster1]

32. I understand the concern about civilian deaths, but remember:

There was a constant influx of human beings to be slaughtered. It wasn't a "camp," it was a human processing facility.

Killing however-many people who were at the camp, while regrettable, was probably the only way to stop its operation. The Nazis would've simply trucked in humans rather than sending them by rail if we had only blown up the rail lines.

Again, I'll back Chimpy McFuckface on this one.

[Marrah_G]

34. There are never easy answers

I will still be happier when the bomb switch is in more capable hands.

[bunkerbuster1]

36. You, me, and the rest of the rational world.

[smoogatz]

57. There were dozens of extermination camps.

If we'd bombed Auschwitz the Nazis would've just built another one. And all the prisoners would've been killed, as others have pointed out. Think about that one: U.S. bombers killing jews at Auschwitz. How do you explain that one? Sorry we blew your innocent family into hamburger, but we were sending a message that killing jews is wrong?

We should have allowed all the jewish refugees into the U.S. who wanted to come, giving them whatever assistance they needed. We should have recognized the danger the Nazis represented earlier than we did, and acted to stop their rise to power, and their pogrom against the jews. We should have prosecuted those, like Prescott Bush, who did business with Hitler. We might have been able to send commandos in to liberate some of the smaller camps earlier than we did, but it's likely that the freed prisoners would have been picked up by local authorities and sent back to other camps. bombing the camps? Stupid idea.

[bunkerbuster1]

67. A "stupid idea" only if the resources are there to launch commando raids.

But a bombing sortie or three is a lot cheaper.

As for "we turned your innocent family into hamburger," I'll reiterate: the men and women who'd be present at the time, in the camps, were good as dead already, until the actual liberation took place.

[smoogatz]

77. The rate at which allied bombers were shot down over Europe

is shockingly high. Pre D-Day, the allies lost 10+ bombers (and their hard-to-train crews) per 1,000 sorties. Over 100,000 allied airmen were killed over Europe, and a given airman had only a 29% chance of surviving his requisite 30 bombing missions. There was nothing cheap about a "bombing sortie or three." And we dropped commandos into occupied Europe all the time, even pre D-day. My grandfather-in-law was one of them: he and his team did tremendous damage to the German/occupied railroads. They were either very skilled or very lucky (or both): the great majority of allied commandos were killed, of course.

"As good as dead" isn't dead. If we had bombed the camps, we'd have been directly responsible for killing thousands of innocent jews. The Nazis would probably have sent us a thank you note as they built more camps. I find your enthusiasm for that prospect baffling.

[bunkerbuster1]

101. I've no enthusiasm whatsoever for destroying lives or buildings.

I do not claim to know whether it would have made more sense to have sent commandos to destroy the rail lines. Perhaps it would've.

(I had the sense that some in here thought that commandos might've liberated the camps themselves, which of course is a whole different matter.)

[smoogatz]

113. It might have been possible to liberate some of the smaller,

more isolated camps pre-invasion. The problem there is that once the prisoners are free, where do they go? Probably nothing very good would have happened to most of them; they'd have been picked up by local police or roving SS units and sent right back to the camps.

It would have made sense, maybe, to attack the railroad lines one way or another—we did plenty of that in the process of trying to destroy the Nazis ability to re-arm themselves, both by air and on the ground. Bombing the camps themselves would have been immensely stupid, as I said earlier. Any time you find yourself agreeing with the Chimpenführer, it's a good idea to take a couple of aspirin and call 911: you're probably having a stroke.

[bunkerbuster1]

122. That was my concern as well--ok, you're liberated. Now what?

We'd have a hell of a time getting the prisoners to safety. It would've been an extremely difficult and risky mission, and I can understand the reluctance to commit to it although of course I wish such efforts had been made.

I will continue to defend what I know of der Chimpenführer's comment, to wit: "We should have bombed it," if "it" can be generalized to mean the area (we only have Condi's word that the discussion was about the rail lines, in that linked story), because I'm stubborn and possibly even right.

I don't think I'm having a stroke, but who knows...

[smoogatz]

123. Well, take the aspirin anyway, just in case.

It can't hurt.

[kelligesq]

142. Jesus Christ. I cant believe you would agree that bombing was a good idea -

totally incredible.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

64. I sort of have to agree

It really was just a processing facility for human beings. If all of the camps had been bombed immediately, they would have had to spend more time and energy rebuilding camps. I have no doubt they would use slave labor to do it, but it would have slowed the murder rate.

But at the time...how could anyone contemplate such a thing?

[bunkerbuster1]

69. A lot of horrible decisions have to be made by an actual "war president"

as opposed to a vanity-war president, who probably has only rare moments of self-doubt and second-guessing.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

73. True, and as I noted below

bombing the rail lines and roads into the facilities would have led to more death by starvation. Bombing the actual camps would have protected more lives in the future, even if it would have killed those in the camps. They would have rebuilt the camps, but every attempt to slow the process would have saved lives.

[kelligesq]

144. My impression was that there were "rumors" of such camps but that

such berserk ideas were so unthinkable that the allieds truly didnt believe it -
after all , who was going to tell them - the inmates who went to the ovens?

Which is why Eisenhower and the men who came upon the camps literally threw up
vomited when they saw what and whom and the conditon of the living and dead inside the death camps.

After all, who could believe human beings would do that to other human beings?

So even though there were rumors, it was met with disbelief.

[lala_rawraw]

137. no, i don't think so...

the way to stop the operation would have been to have stopped corporations - American corporations - from continued support of the Nazi regime and supplying the Nazi death machine. that would be a far better way than bombing the camp, from which heroes like Primo Levi emerged alive.

[AzDar]

95. ...And re-routed others for different camps. The Allies struggled

mightily with this dilemma, and decided against it. Bombing the camps would have simply killed EVERYONE THERE.
I wonder if Chimpolini even KNOWS that Gramps helped build the ovens with I.G. Farben (iirc)?:puke:

[kelligesq]

146. And IBM assisted in keeping records of the banished, Standard Oil

supplied the oil for the Nazi war machine..

[cali]

37. that's exactly right and hardly a revolutionary though

for anyone who knows a minimum about the subject. The vast majority of Holocaust scholars have been noting the lack of will re bombing the rail tracks leading to the camps for decades.

This thread displays ignorance on the part of most of the posters.

But there is no way I can give bushco a pass. First of all, he screwed it up- it was the tracks that people urged the allies to bomb and not the camps. Secondly, I don't give the war criminal a pass on anything.

[raccoon]

60. I think so too. For once, I agree with the man. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

8. Bush wishes they would have bombed is grandaddy's holdings?

Press Bush/IG Farben were building and operating a booming bidness(the Buna factory)at that camp...

Snip>

Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation was located near the Polish town of Oswiecim, one of Poland's richest mineral regions. That was where Hitler set up the Auschwitz concentration camp. When the plan to work Soviet prisoners fell through, the Nazis transferred Jews, communists, gypsies and other minority populations to the camp. The prisoners of Auschwitz who were able to work were shipped to 30 different companies. One of the companies was the vast Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation. "Nobody's made the connection before between Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, Auschwitz and Prescott Bush," John Loftus told Clamor. "That was the reason why Auschwitz was built there. The coal deposits could be processed into either coal or additives for aviation gasoline."

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush-Hitler.html

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

http://missilegate.com/rfz/swaz/chapter2.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=PbzUAgp3yKQC&pg=RA1-PA299&lpg=RA1-PA299&dq=buna+plant&source=web&ots=GrgOJuorMp&sig=2Utw5PjmunTfhIm6IXxwfAaMl2s#PRA1-PA300,M1

http://books.google.com/books?id=DoZhZ48Fxo4C&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=buna+plant&source=web&ots=b-vsEadvIK&sig=X8kHRtWFaLAHVQICRqHH1V1QY9E

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. Prescott could then have made more money by rebuilding it. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

55. That is how the twisted POS probably really sees it!

The "Compassionate CONservatives" don't care who died as a result of "Reagan's Pen" or Hitler and Prescott's slave labor made swords, just as long as they "Have and Have More"!(Make the pyre higher!)

[Virginia Dare]

83. The nerve of this fucking asshole to shed tears at a Holocaust site..

when his grandpappy was a Nazi enabler. This makes me SICK!! :puke:

[Hubert Flottz]

90. Me too...

Everything about BushCo makes me sick!

GTSY!

[ProgressIn2008]

117. Prescott Bush was my first thought too. A ghoulish family. eom

[bigbrother05]

9. only to hide the evidence of what

his grandfether had done

[BurtWorm]

13. We should have bombed West Palm Beach in 2000.

:nuke: :cry:

Bush's brain is a bomb

[WillyT]

40. Ouch...

:rofl::evilgrin::rofl:

[pink-o]

15. Oy, gevalt!

Remember when the Mayans had to purify their sacred spot after Chimpy had visited it?

Can't we get some Rabbis to do the same???

[Beausoleil]

16. It was considered and decided against for good reason.

"Some information regarding Auschwitz reached the Allies during 1941–1944, such as the reports of Witold Pilecki and Jerzy Tabeau, but the claims of mass killings were generally dismissed as exaggerations. This changed with receipt of the very detailed report of two escaped prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, which finally convinced most Allied leaders of the truth about Auschwitz in the middle of 1944.

-snip-

Starting with a plea from the Slovakian rabbi Weissmandl in May 1944, there was a growing campaign to persuade the Allies to bomb Auschwitz or the railway lines leading to it. At one point Winston Churchill ordered that such a plan be prepared, but he was told that bombing the camp would most likely kill prisoners without disrupting the killing operation, and that bombing the railway lines was not technically feasible. Later several nearby military targets were bombed. One bomb accidentally fell into the camp and killed some prisoners. The debate over what could have been done, or what should have been attempted even if success was unlikely, has continued heatedly ever since."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

I think this speaks for itself. Bush is second-guessing Churchill, probably just something to add to his "legacy".

[KharmaTrain]

35. Conveluted History For A Conveluted Legacy

I wonder how much boooosh family money went into the building of those camps...or profited from the slave labor that came out of it.

Being Jewish, I've heard the arguments about bombing the camps and rail lines for years. Yes, it was primarily Churchill's call as the British were focusing their bombing on that region while the U.S. was bombing at night and further to the west. This also was part of the Soviet area of operations as the Russians were the ones who would liberate the camps and thus the belief that Churchill and FDR kept the bombing out of Stalin's turf.

As usual boooshie plays the crowd...adding to a "legacy" that will be viewed as a low-point in this country's history.

[Beausoleil]

44. As other posters have noted

probably a lot of Bush money went into building concentration camps, especially Auschwitz.

It really reveals a lot about Bush that he probably doesn't know enough of his own family history that he would make such a statement, much less the history of WWII and the Holocaust. But we know that he is quite an accomplished armchair general.

[Hubert Flottz]

49. Well...

Snip...

In 1939, Hitler invaded Poland, where a subsidiary of United Steelworks was operating. This company, known as the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, was to be solely operated by Auschwitz slave labor. ... Thyssen decided to sell CSSC after chaos across Europe worried him about losing his subsidiary. He sold CSSC to Union Banking and Harriman Investment. Now under American control, Prescott Bush was put in charge of managing the company and even managed a portion of the slave labor.

Thyssen was arrested by Allied forces and made to pay reparations for his crimes. After he died in 1951, the US government released all seized assets and American investors quietly sold their bonds off. ... In the sell-off, Prescott Bush made $1.5 million from his shares and after his death in 1972, his son George H.W. Bush placed his father's ill-made fortune into a blind trust fund, which today still makes up a large part of the Bush estate. Today, the money made by Prescott is worth more than $15 million dollars.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush-Hitler.html

NOW...Divide 1.5 million dollars into 6 million dead.($.25) That's how the bean counters think. People are just some numbers in a book to the Bushies. "No child left behind"(T-4)was once a Nazi Idea too. Just like the Nazi's famous "New Order" and Poppy Bush's famous "New World Order" are kind of alike!("One World Government" was what hitler wanted too) A twisted fascist world where everyone but the "Entitled Elite" rule and the rest are their $.25 slaves.

Action T4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-4_Euthanasia_Program

UNCLE SHRUB WANTS YOU...to owe your soul and your ass, to the BushCo Company Store!

[elizfeelinggreat]

17. ugh

Setting aside his disgusting simplemindedness, "tears well up in his eyes"? Really? How soon will we have wall to wall stupid pundit commentary on that?

[undeterred]

19. For Bush, the way to peace is always through an ocean of blood.

[Skidmore]

20. Wonder if anyone has ever told him that his granddaddy helped build

that place? Wonder if anyone will ever ask him how much of that blood money he's inherited he would be willing to part with?

[Marrah_G]

21. ummm wouldn't that have killed the prisoners......

This is why children should not be allowed near sharp instruments.

Our CiC is a moron......sigh

[KharmaTrain]

22. Not The Camps...Bombing The Rail Lines

I've known Auschwitz survivors and heard some first hand stories of not just the horrors they experienced under the Nazis but the chaos that ensued prior to liberation.

The cry at the time wasn't to bomb the camps...that would be helping do the Nazi's job for them...there was a call to bomb the train lines going to the camps and the trains themselves...making it costly to repair those lines and shutting off the flow of new victims.

It's still unclear why Roosevelt never acted on the intel he had about the camps and the calls from American Jewish leaders to take out the rail lines.

[Beausoleil]

27. See post #16

There was a cry to bomb the camps. Churchill had a plan but was advised that bombing would kill prisoners while not disrupting the operation.

Apparently it was Churchill's decision not to bomb the rail lines due to technical feasibility.

[WinkyDink]

30. See post #25. And let's not leave out FDR.

[Virginia Dare]

84. Regardless, Bush has NO RIGHT to question..

another President's judgement. He should be questioning his own father's judgement and all of the innocent people he's killed, not to mention himself.

[ananda]

56. So exactly what is 'technically' unfeasible..

.. about bombing rail lines??

What were the Brits thinking in that regard???

[Beausoleil]

70. Not sure

But everything points to concentrating on the ground war in Europe. Even Stalin had a choice to bomb concentration camps but decided to use the resources along the 1500 mile eastern front.

[bdamomma]

23. That is his answer to everything violence.

bomb Auschwitz??? what to get rid of evidence???????

[WinkyDink]

29. Maybe he was using short-hand speak.

[WinkyDink]

25. We absolutely should have bombed the railroad tracks to camps.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BUE/is_8_137/ai_n17208098

[LostinVA]

28. Agreed -- there was great intelligence after Rudy Vrba's escape

No one wanted to listen to him.

[OzarkDem]

45. That article is total BS

They really think Roosevelt didn't bomb the Auschwitz because he was concerned of anti-semitic backlash in the US? That's the most ridiculous, offensive thing I've heard in a long time. :wtf:

As mentioned in the other article linked in this thread, they bombed the areas around the camp as best they could and even accidentally killed some prisoners at one point. But bombing the rail lines nearby was technically impossible. I have no doubt they bombed rail lines elsewhere in attempts to interrupt traffic to Auschwitz, they bombed thousands of miles of rail lines in Europe during the war.

[WinkyDink]

66. Okay, forget the FDR slur; I apologize for actually skimming and not seeing that..

FDR is one of my heroes, and I don't think he was anti-Semitic in the least.

BUT it IS nevertheless true that we made NO effort to stop the trains, and the Nazis, in the face of certain defeat, KEPT THEM RUNNING until the bitter end!

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9342910

[DutchLiberal]

108. Well, FDR had camps of his own...

But instead of Jews he filled them with Japanese Americans.

[rockymountaindem]

134. As wrong as that was

and it most certainly *was* wrong, it's not exactly a valid comparison. The US government didn't *kill* every Japanese civilian it could get its hands on nor did the US try to obliterate all traces of Japanese culture to prevent its regeneration.

Interning people for no reason is patently wrong, as we did with the Japanese, but the Nazi death camps for Jews, Roma and others were on a whole other level.

[DutchLiberal]

152. Of course, I know that. I agree with you.

But I wanted to remind people not to overlook FDR's faults as he's hailed in this thread.

[Bucky]

118. Actually, they did bomb railroad tracks during WW2 to disrupt Nazi operations

That was what Dresden was all about.

[kurth]

31. Hey, asshole, how about the dead Americans you killed?

and the living Americans in America.

[Echo In Light]

33. Not to mention the scores of Iraqis and Afghanis

[earth mom]

38. OMFG.

What, you sociopathic bastard, so you could kill them all the faster?

Is there any doubt that this lunatic wants to kill as many people as possible?!!!! :grr:

[Ganja Ninja]

39. Or if his granddad hadn't loaned Hitler the money to build ...

Auschwitz we might not have had WWII at all.

[racaulk]

76. Bingo!

Chimpy is just one branch of the BFEE family tree, but the tree's trunk is named Prescott.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

41. we were going to bomb them, but the pilots didn't show up

for their flight physicals and went aWol.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

42. Good morning, Lurkers. Your "President" is certifiable. He ain't MYdamn President, for damn sure.

Wet brained, rambling, idiotic drunk, who cries at the drop of a hat and thinks bombing "halts" killing.


:mad: MKJ

[Pacifist Patriot]

43. Further proof the asshole has never read a history book...

or perhaps any book for that matter. Do we really have any proof he wasn't just making up words to go with the pictures of the Goat?

[vanlassie]

161. Condi Had To Give Him A History Lesson

If you read the article, it is evident that Condi explained the whole death camp story to him, and when she was done, he, like a middle school kid, replied "We should have bombed them." Like it was a multiple choice question- A. Bomb them? or B. Don't bomb them?"

[Major Hogwash]

46. Unbelievable! I can't believe he thinks bombing is always a solution to the problem!

Bomb Afghanistan!
Bomb Iraq!
Bomb Iran!

And now he thinks we should have bombed Auschwitz!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. We should have bombed Prescott Bush.

[Virginia Dare]

96. Imagine how many innocent lives would have been saved...n/t

[spotbird]

51. What would Grandpa Prescott have done?

Oh, yeah, never mind.

[Progressive Radical]

53. The mindset of this man is truly beyond disturbing. n/t

[LynneSin]

54. Yeah go ahead and bomb them - those Jews were almost dead anyways....

:sarcasm:

There are several very wrong things about what Bush said that are so frightening

First - there were real people we were trying to save in places like Auschwitz. Perhaps most of the people living in those camps were NOT the enemy!

Second - sure, let's bomb all the evidence so we have nothing to prove to the world about the crimes committed by Germany. The way that the Nazi Regime was exterminating Jews towards the end of the war - I think they would have loved nothing more than for the Allies to bomb all the Camps, would have made their jobs a bit easier and exterminate Jews even faster.

What we should have done is RAIDED Auschwitz sooner. We had heard the rumors, why weren't we getting in there earlier. Hell why weren't we doing something when Hitler moved all the Jews into the Ghettos.

We could have done more - bombing was NOT one of them.

And perhaps tears worked for Hillary but look nothing but fake on Bush

[Thothmes]

62. Why weren't we getting in there

A B-17 has a 2000 mile range with bomb load, a B-24 has 2100 mile range with bomb load. What is the round trip distance between England and Oswiciem (sic) Poland? Assuming good weather all along the route. This is not a smart ass question, I don't know.

[LynneSin]

78. Getting in there is one thing - bombing a site loaded with innocent victims is another

I'm sure Bush would love nothing more than for Gitmo to be bombed so we can destroy the evidence there too.

[Thothmes]

93. For the Bomber crews

Getting there is only half the problem. Getting home is very high on their priority list. Also very high on the desirable outcomes of the planners of bombing raids. The technical reason for not bombing the Auschwitz camp or the factories associated with the camp may have been the range from the U.S. and British bomber bases. If within a safe range for the bombers, what targets were worth the price to be paid by bombing them. We only had rumors as to what was in and around Auschwitz camps, not solid intelligence. Why run the risk of loosing aircraft and their crews on rumors?

[DireStrike]

155. Also military priorities and the Soviets played a role.

There were only so many bombers, and so, so much to bomb. I'm sure the commanders would rather have blown up something that was going to kill their boys than something that would kill somebody else.

It's been pointed out in this thread that the area was viewed as kinda soviet "turf", and people may have been leery about that.

[LibertyLover]

58. What the heck?

We should have bombed the railroad lines leading to Auschwitz and the other camps, but bomb the camps? What about all the innocent people in them? I mean it's not like we had precision guided munitions in WW2 - "Pilot to Bombardier - We're coming up on the guard tower - take it out. Bombardier to Pilot - Roger that. Releasing now. Oops, the 500 pounder missed and took out a barracks. Pilot to Bombardier - Oh well, we tried. Better luck next time." Does that idiot not listen to his father's stories about WW2 munitions and their unpredictability - silly question. Consider it rhetorical.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

71. Bombing the rail lines would have led to more starvation

Like they weren't already starving. :(

If you destroyed the rail lines and roads to the camps, you make it difficult for food to get in, thereby starving everyone to death, anyway. Every possible choice was fraught with life and death implications for the innocent.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

139. They had started on precision bombing, somewhat.

With the Norden bombsight. My dad worked on those in the Air Force when it was the Army Air Corps, and because of his technical expertise and general intelligence, he was not allowed to go into combat, even though he was a lowly non-commissioned officer.

He said that it had a bunch of precision machined screws and gyroscopes in it, and was top secret. He said you followed a target for six seconds, and then it would lock in on it, and it was the great technical achievement of the war, before radar.


They never bombed Berchtesgaden, either.

[LibertyLover]

158. While the Norden

bombsight was an improvement that allowed, theoretically, for better on-target delivery of ordnance, it was not a magic bullet. It was claimed that the Norden would allow bombardiers to drop bombs down a pickle barrow. In practice, not so much. In the Asian theater, the RAF equipped its B-17s with Norden and reported extremely poor results. Same thing in the European theater of operations. Under perfect conditions the Norden produced a poor real-world accuracy with approximately 50 percent of bombs falling within a quarter mile of their target. Indeed, American flyers estimated that up to 90% of their bombs could miss their target.

By way of example - in 1944 47 B-29s flew a raid on the Yawata steel works. Only one plane hit the target area, and with only 1 of its bombs. That means of the 376 bombs dropped, only 1 or approximately .25% (one quarter of one per cent) hit the aiming point. And in the fall of 1944, only 7% of all the bombs dropped by the US 8th Air Force hit within 1000 feet of their aim point. 108 B-17 bombers dropped 648 bombs to guarantee a 96% chance of getting 2 hits inside a 400 x 500 foot area.

Interesting story about the Norden - did you know that for the Doolittle Raid, the bombers used had their Nordens removed so that they could not fall into the hands of the Japanese. They were replaced with a simple metal one that cost $.20 to make and was more accurate at low levels.

As for bombing Berchtesgaden, actually on April 25, 1945 the Berghof (Hitler's residence in Berchtesgarden) was damaged by RAF bombs during a Lancaster bomber raid. At least 2 bombs struck the Berghof, damaging it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

163. If the Norden bombsight was so inaccurate,

why did all the members of my dad's Squadron and Bombardment Group receive all sorts of awards for accuracy in bombing? I've still got glossy B&W pictures of the bombings taken from the airplane. They were highly decorated.

[LibertyLover]

164. Because of

what was considered "accurate" in World War II. I'm sure that by the standards of the day, they were accurate - hence the awards. However, when computing bombing accuracy in the Second World War, there was a large area around an actual hard target, for example a factory, that bombs could fall in, not come close to hitting the actual target, but still be considered on target. There is a little story that one of my military history professors told: the RAF would designate the target as "the south side of Berlin" and achieved phenomenal bombing accuracy. The iron bombs that were dropped in WW2 were just that - dropped. Precision guided munitions development was in its infancy in WW2.

[fascisthunter]

59. Hey George? Your Grandfather Helped Build Auschwitz

and your family dynasty was built upon helping Hitler and the Nazis... is that why your eyes filled with tears? I doubt it...

[underpants]

63. Anyone notice that it is okay for HIM to cry

Aside from the embarassment of saying that we should have bombed people in a concentration camp :eyes: notice that it is mentioned as a credit to him that HE cries....well sort of cries

[Beausoir]

107. Ding! n/t

[spanone]

65. maybe we should bomb guantanamo too junior

[Naturyl]

68. Hey Shrubbie, ask Grandpa Prescott about the Holocaust... nt

[Raster]

79. Yes, please do. Considering Grandpa Prescott was one of the Nazis favorite American money guys.

The duplicity absolutely astounds!

[Wednesdays]

72. "We should've bombed the Titanic...

we should've bombed Chernobyl...we should've bombed Wall Street before October 1929..."

:crazy:

[Sugar Smack]

75. WHOA.

Great post.

[Virginia Dare]

82. We should have bombed Mississippi before Katrina...n/t

[Sugar Smack]

87. We should have bombed Hollywood

before "Angel Heart" was released.:hide:

[Mad_Dem_X]

74. I'm sure those "tears" were real, too.

What an ass.

[Raster]

80. Someone pass that man a pretzel!

[MisterP]

131. remember, Jan. 13 is Pretzel Day, the 6th anniversary of Bush

nearly killing himself with a snack

[Raster]

138. OMG!!! I think I will throw a Pretzel Party!

[Virginia Dare]

81. Why didn't St. Ronny and Poppy bomb Iraq when Saddam was actually..

killing the Kurds?

Why don't you go bomb those wack jobs who are killing people in Africa?

Why don't you bomb the shit out of Korea for starving it's citizens?


What a FUCKING CLUELESS hypocrite you are you idiot chimp!!!!~

[KansDem]

86. Good point!

I wondered when we invaded Iraq to get Saddam for "gassing his own people" why we were doing it 15 years after the crime?

It didn't make sense. Why go after Saddam in 2003 for a crime committed in 1988?*

________
*This is a rhetorical question...I think we all know the real reason why we invaded Iraq.

[Virginia Dare]

88. To give Ron Paul credit, he's actually brought this up a few times..

and he always gets shouted down.

[DutchLiberal]

109. Kucinich and Biden have also brought it up.

But it is more telling if a Republican brings it up, I agree.

[JuniperLea]

89. I don't think it's kosher for a pig like that to wear a yarmulke... eom

[Turn CO Blue]

124. LOL!

[NOLALady]

92. And we should have bombed New Orleans

to stop the looting.

[Bucky]

119. He does seem to think bombing solves every problem in the world.

Maybe it's a good thing he doesn't believe in global warming--he'd probably use that as a reason to bomb the North Pole.

[Javaman]

94. For the love of god, someone kick him in the nuts!!! nt

[kelligesq]

147. That's where his brains are located? He prolly was saying should have bombed

while he was looking at the photos of the Jewish skeletons piled up on top of each other as high as hills - and thinking of his grandfather - so his thought is "should have bombed so they wouldn't have this evidence"

Kind of like the 10,000 missing e mails and the burned CIA tapes...see, he's much smarter than his grandfather was.

[Marnieworld]

97. His thought about the jews was also assinine and infantile

"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they believe," Bush said.

What bizare imagined reality does this thought reflect? As if anyone in those camps could just say, "Mr. Nazi sir? I changed my mind. Jesus is the Messiah" and they'd be released. As if any one of them at any point in time had a choice? Any student of history, which I believe he has a "degree" in, would understand that being a Jew, especially from the Nazi's standpoint, was not a state of mind or belief system. What about all of those propaganda posters they'd designed to detect physical characteristics of Jews? How about all of the hate speech about them being an inferior race or worse? This interpretation is just insanely ignorant to me. I can imagine that more than a few prisoners lost their faith in those camps and it made not one moment's difference. It just seems like he is exploting this tragedy to promote his own viewpoint. Perhaps it was one of the many times he tries to imagine what a normal, non-sociopathic person might say in response to the images and stories before him in that museum.


No matter who gets elected they will never embarass us like this moronic madman has.

[Contrary1]

98. "It just seems like he is exploiting this tragedy to promote his own viewpoint."

I think you nailed it with that statement. I check out the freeper site every now and then, just to see how they view things. Today, I stumbled upon this little gem:

"Forget about Auschwitz..it’s yesterdays history.
Care about stopping future killing of Jews.... bomb Iran instead."

Perhaps the tears are out of frustration that he hasn't been able to attack Iran yet.

[Diclotican]

160. Marnieworld

Marnieworld

Mr Bush have never stand for me, as a "intellectually" type of person, rather a dumb man, who seldom read something (without the exception of the bible) thing that is worth read at all

But, this is just stupidity.. Someone in this Administration could at least managed to tell mr Bush some of the fact surrounded camps like Auschwitz, in the manner who even that dimwit would understand that it was not about the jewish Good, but about the Jewish PEOPLE.. And no matter how bad you want to be baptized into Cristen dom, it would never, ever stop you from been send to the gass shamber... This was not a matter of witch religion you was part of, but witch blood was in your wain, what type of "rase" you was..

This man, have always "amazed" me in negative sense of the world. Mr Bush have always managed somehow to go deeper down a road you never would have imaged a President of United States of America was capable of walking.. Mr Bush have managed to walking US from the famous and great A list of nation, to the far less impressive C list of nations.. Maybe even FAR lower than the C list...

Either is this man a extremely good actor, who dumbfound everyone when he open his mouth.. Or he is as mad as some want him to be.. Maybe he is a man who political scientist in 100 year would try to understand why was capable of doing so much harm to his own people, to the country he is a leader, and to the world at large..
Or he would be known as the "Perfect psychopath" who was lying all along - to hi was arrested tried and sentenced to a LONG prison time...

I don't know.. But this man are Dangerous, extremely dangerous, because he doesn't know how bad he is.. And the people around him is not far behind him, when they don't managed to tell the president of one of the most powerfully nation that little fact that Jews was killed ny because their "wrong religion" but because they was just who they was..

But many jews WAS brave, who even when they know the end was the gas chamber fighted to the end.. The Ghetto in Warzawa come to mind... Or other "breakouts" of death camps.. Verry seldom they sucseed, but some do, and the fear for their murderes was big.. Both for the fact that a state secred was coming out - and for that their own supervisitors should give THEM the foult for the prison break...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

[Marnieworld]

162. thanks

Your english was good enough, I certainly wouldn't be able to post in another language anywhere. I hope I didn't imply that the Jews were not brave. I can't imagine how it must have been and there are countless stories, many never told I am sure of courage. But I'm glad that you got my main point that to imply that they had any choice, as if there was a reality as if they could just change an opinion and free themselves was just so ignorant, almost cruel in its cluelessness. Yes he is embarassing to represent us as someone so compassionless to remain that clueless.

[undeterred]

99. WE SHOULD HAVE STERILIZED BARBARA BUSH.

That would have spared future generations so much pain and suffering.

[debbierlus]

100. He is such a shame on this nation.

[kelligesq]

104. Well you really couldnt do that Sonny cause ur granpappy Prescott was using slave

slave labor from Auschwitz to run his companies over there.

google it.

That's why FDR was going to arrest him after the war.

Unfortunately he didnt live , had FDR lived we wouldnt have been stuck with your father and you in what used to be fondly referred to as the United States Government

[DutchLiberal]

105. I bet his grandpa wouldn't agree.

It would have interfered with his business deals with good old Adolph.

[gmoney]

111. The compassionate thing would be to put Halliburton in charge of the camps

They would have been years behind schedule, anything that was completed would be inoperable, and of course about half the camps would just be "vapor" existing only on paper for purposes of invoicing.

[killbotfactory]

112. There are no words

We really have to endure one more year of this idiot?

[krispos42]

114. So then, Bush advocates killing Jews?

Or is he advocating euthanasia? Ending the prolonged, torturous imprisonment leading to certain death that was a death camp?

What the fuck was a population of starving, emaciated, and diseased people going to do after B-17s carpet-bombed Auschwitz? Jump through the holes in the fences and fight their way to the Baltic, to be picked up my Allied transport ships? Hide in the woods? March on Berlin?

I can't believe anybody could be this stupid. And yet, once again, I'm proven wrong.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

115. HOLY.....

shit, what a fucktard.

[Bucky]

116. He's mimicking old John Bircher anti-FDR propaganda--probably doesn't even know it.

In Bush's universe, dropping bombs on stuff solves everything.

[Didereaux]

121. It's his SPEECHWRITER'S fault....see

http://www.flickr.com/photos/didereaux/

[AlCzervik]

125. to finish killing the rest of the jews that were still there? Does anyone else sometimes

see him on tv and just think maybe that you're not really hearing what you're hearing?

[kelligesq]

148. I never watch him on tv or listen to him, change the channel, visceral

hatred comes up from my gut...

have you ever wondered why leaders Americans love are ass___in_ted but those
who are hateful never are...especially those with connections to the "firm" are
never touched?

Only exception to that was Reagan, but of course Pappy was his veep and wanted to
be number one.

Do you all remember that Reagan would not endorse Pappy for the presidency?

Ever wonder why?

[Bluebear]

126. As an aside, here comes old Weepy again. Hillary Clinton is nothing next to him.

[demigoddess]

127. Is there any thing he does not want to bomb??

How about Kennebunkport?

[AntiFascist]

128. This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetically serious...

where would Grandfather Prescott Bush, then, have gotten all his millions?

[libbygurl]

132. Did you notice how many times the article mentioned....

...Rice painstakingly explaining that Bush was referring to the "rail lines" or "train tracks leading to the camp" and "not the camp itself"?

Compare his "Why didn't Roosevelt bomb it?" and "We should've bombed it" to Bill Clinton's more eloquent and statesmanlike remarks, in which he does specifically mention the rail lines.

[Geek_Girl]

136. He's about as sharp as bowling ball

nt

[kelligesq]

140. I hope they burned the yamacha after he wore it -what a sacrilege

:puke:

[Clintonista2]

141. Oh. My. God.

omg

[Catherine Vincent]

143. Does Bush thinks this crying will get him re-installed in the White House?

:)

[ngGale]

149. OFGS -

We know he may not know or care about history...but appearing to not remember his own family history and corporate connection to these events, makes him even more scary. He does this while planning more bloodshed and war. It will please his base...:scared:

[ellisonz]

151. "In the visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush."

[Stinky The Clown]

153. Just when you think he can't top his last moronic utterance ........

[lpbk2713]

154. There appear to be no bounds to this idiot's utter stupidity.

This clown is an embarrassment to us all. January 2009 can't get here soon enough to suit me.

He proves beyond any doubt that anyone at all can be pResident.

[kelligesq]

156. 2 Survivors sued Bush family b4 election in 2004-UK GUARDIAN -not a word from MSM on it - Link

long long article from UK article laying out everything Prescott Bush did to help the Nazis before, during, and after the war. His companies made the Zyklon gas that was used to committ genocide of Jews.

Two Auschwitz survivors just before the elections in 2004 laid out all the info mplus classified documents were declassified proving the truth of Prescott Bush's involvement and bankrolling, with the steel and gas companies, and using Jewish slave labor. The two men are survivors of their slave labor.

DID YOU HEAR ONE WORD OF THIS FROM OUR MSM IN 2004 ??????

WE SHOULD DEMAND THE FCC REMOVE TH4E LICENSES OF NBC, CBS, ABC AND CABLE CHANNELS, THE AIRWAVES ARE PUBLIC BELONG TO US AND LICENSES CAN BE REMOVED FOR
VARIOUS REASONS....the bastards

hERE'S the article from UK Guardian

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:xUBFtJUU2NYJ:www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html+uk+gUARDIAN+%2B+bUSH+FAMILY+SUED+BY+aUSCHWITZ+SURVIVORS&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[jmowreader]

157. I can think of one prime reason to not have bombed Auschwitz

Somewhere on the internets is an article claiming that Standard Oil promised the US government that any action taken against IG Farben, which would probably include bombing their Silesian production facilities at Auschwitz, would result in Standard Oil halting deliveries of Petroleum, Oils and Lubricants to the US military--which would have ended the war, since we didn't have the Fischer-Tropsch process for impoverishing the Bush family.

[Zynx]

159. If you just bomb bad things, they go away.

That's his logic.