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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:38 PM
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The Demise of Russian Democracy: A Lesson in the Perils of Allowing Tyrannical Precedent
I and others have been criticized by some for drawing parallels between the Bush administration and the German Nazis under Hitler. A major reason why we draw those parallels is that we are astounded that there has been so little outrage in this country to the Bush administration’s piece by piece dismantling of our Constitution and its assumption of ever more dictatorial powers. We look at the history of Hitler’s rise to power and we note the gradual process by which Germans gave up their freedom to Hitler, as briefly summarized here by Milton Mayer in “They Thought they Were Free – The Germans 1933-45”:

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

Why have I invoked Nazis rather than other dictatorial regimes to draw parallels with the Bush administration? One reason is that I (and many others) am much more familiar with that regime than any other major dictatorship. Another reason is that the gradual assumption of dictatorial powers by Hitler closely resembles what is happening in our country today, whereas the sudden onset of some other dictatorships makes their histories less comparable to our current situation.

But people criticize us for drawing those parallels, for such reasons as “Once you invoke Nazis, nobody will listen to you.”

Ok then. Naomi Klein describes the late 20th Century demise of Russian democracy in her book, “The Shock Doctrine – The Rise of Disaster Capitalism”. Her description paints a picture that has many parallels to our own recent history, and which should serve as a warning to us. So let’s take a look at that:


Some relevant background to the demise of Russian democracy – from Naomi Klein’s book

Klein’s book describes the extreme economic exploitation of numerous countries in the latter part of the 20th Century, including Indonesia, Chile, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Poland, China, South Africa, Russia, and others. In order to explain what happened to Russian democracy in the 1990s it is useful to first understand the basic pattern, as documented in Klein’s book. All of her examples involve a common theme, which goes something like this:

Third World nations in the last third of the 20th Century have to a very large extent been kept down by external human forces who seek to profit from the labors of the poor. To a very large extent today, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, which are both very much under the control of the United States, are instruments which facilitate this process. They loan money to impoverished nations that are desperate for it, imposing conditions on those nations which work to keep the great majority of its inhabitants impoverished indefinitely. The process is something akin to loan sharking or indentured servitude. Since the governing elites of those nations usually profit from the deal, they have some motivation to play along with it.

The underpinning for the whole system is right wing economic ideology of the type first put forth by Milton Friedman. Since the rules and results of the game are so painful to the vast majority of a country’s inhabitants, various methods have had to be developed to keep the population in line. Sometimes that involves martial law and widespread kidnappings, executions, disappearances and torture, as under Pinochet in Chile. But many other methods have been developed as well, and often financial pressures or threats are enough to do the job. Taken as a whole, Klein terms these methods “shock therapy” – a “therapy” that is brutal enough to make a person or a population docile enough to go along with what they’re told to do. This is how she describes the beginnings of it in the introduction to her book:

Friedman first learned how to exploit a large-scale shock or crisis in the mid-seventies, when he acted as adviser to the Chilean dictator, General Augusto Pinochet. Not only were Chileans in a state of shock following Pinochet’s violent coup, but the country was also traumatized by severe hyperinflation. Friedman advised Pinochet to impose a rapid-fire transformation of the economy – tax cuts, free trade, privatized services, cuts to social spending and deregulation… It was the most extreme capitalist make-over ever attempted anywhere, and it became known as a “Chicago School” revolution… Friedman predicted that the speed, suddenness and scope of the economic shifts would provoke psychological reactions in the public that “facilitate the adjustment”. He coined a phrase for this painful tactic: economic “shock treatment.” In the decades since, whenever governments have imposed sweeping free-market programs, the all-at-once shock treatment, or “shock therapy,” has been the method of choice. Pinochet also facilitated the adjustment with his own shock treatments…


A brief summary of the rise of democracy and break-up of the Soviet Union

Except for a brief period in 1917, when the February Russian Revolution overthrew their Czar, Nicholas II, Russia had never experienced anything resembling democracy until Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in 1985. The 1917 February Revolution was soon followed by the Bolshevik Revolution of October of that year. The Bolsheviks, under Lenin and then Stalin, came to power promising a Communist paradise. But instead of fulfilling the promises of Communism, they soon set up a Communist dictatorship that was every bit as repressive as any seen under the Russian Czars. By 1922 they had incorporated many previously independent nations, and henceforth became known as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) or Soviet Union for short.

So it remained until Mikhail Gorbachev became General Secretary of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party in 1985. Proving to be a stellar exception to the view that power corrupts, Gorbachev gradually brought democracy to the USSR, which included freedom of the press, elections for parliament, president, vice president, and lower offices, and an independent constitutional court.

In August 1991, a group of hard line Communists who wanted their power back staged a coup and arrested Gorbachev. Boris Yeltsin, Russia’s President, led a successful counter-coup and secured the release of Gorbachev. With his new found hero status, Yeltsin instigated the break-up of the Soviet Union in December 1991, thereby forcing the resignation of Gorbachev as President of the Soviet Union (since it no longer existed) and greatly increasing his (Yeltsin’s) power as President of the newly independent Russia.


Yeltsin granted dictatorial powers and initiates economic shock therapy

In late 1991 Russia was in very bad financial shape. The major Western powers and the IMF made it clear to Yeltsin that if he wanted any help with the Russian economy he would be expected to initiate a kind of economic shock therapy to his country. As I noted above, economic shock therapy is very unpopular with ordinary people, and therefore very difficult to implement in a democracy. Klein describes what Yeltsin did shortly before the break-up of the Soviet Union:

In late 1991 he went to the parliament and made an unorthodox proposal: if they gave him one year of special powers, under which he could issue laws by decree rather than bring them to parliament for a vote, he would solve the economic crisis and give them back a thriving, healthy system. What Yeltsin was asking for was the kind of executive power enjoyed by dictators, not democrats, but the parliament was still grateful to the president for his role during the attempted coup, and the country was desperate for foreign aid. The answer was yes: Yeltsin could have one year of absolute power to remake Russia’s economy.

Economic shock therapy for Russia began one week after Gorbachev’s resignation.


The effects of Yeltsin’s economic shock therapy

Klein describes the effects on the Russian people to one year of economic shock therapy.

After only one year, shock therapy had taken a devastating toll: millions of middle-class Russians had lost their life savings when money lost its value, and abrupt cuts to subsidies meant millions of workers had not been paid in months. The average Russian consumed 40% less in 1992 than in 1991, and a third of the population fell below the poverty line. The middle class was forced to sell personal belongings from card tables on the streets.


The failed attempt to end Yeltsin’s dictatorial rule

In the face of such disastrous results, the Russian people clamored for their parliament to end the dictatorial rule that they had granted Yeltsin, and parliament responded. In March 1993 they voted to repeal the special powers they had given him. But it was too late for an easy transition back to democracy. Klein describes what happened next:

Yeltsin had grown accustomed to his augmented powers and had come to think of himself less as a president and more as a monarch. He retaliated against the parliament’s “mutiny” by going on television and declaring a state of emergency, which conveniently restored his imperial powers. Three days later, Russia’s independent Constitutional Court (the creation of which was one of Gorbachev’s most significant democratic breakthroughs) ruled 9-3 that Yeltsin’s power grab violated… the constitution he had sworn to uphold…

Yeltsin responded by creating a referendum to confirm his rule. The referendum failed to give him his mandate, but he declared victory anyhow, abolished the constitution, and dissolved parliament. Parliament responded by voting to impeach him by a vote of 636-2.

But it was too late for impeachment. With Western leaders and the Western press behind him, Yeltsin sent in troops to surround the parliament building. Thousands of Russian people came to protest peacefully. Yeltsin responded to that with more troops, who machine-gunned the protesters, killing about a hundred of them. He then ordered all councils in the country dissolved.

The violence peaked on October 4, 1993, when Yeltsin ordered more troops to fight off demonstrators and to set fire to the parliament building. The result was 500 dead, 1,000 wounded, 1,700 arrested, and many tortured.


Russia’s spin into chaos under Yeltsin’s dictatorship

With the threat to Yeltsin’s dictatorial rule smashed, he was then able to go full force with his economic “reforms”. Klein describes what happened next:

The fun was just beginning. With the country reeling from the attack, Yeltsin’s own Chicago Boys (adherents to Milton Friedman’s extreme economic shock therapy) rammed through the most contentious measures in their program: huge budget cuts, the removal of price controls on basic food items, including bread, and even more and faster privatizations – the standard policies that cause so much instant misery that they seem to require a police state to stave off rebellion…

In theory, all this wheeling and dealing was supposed to create the economic boom that would lift Russia out of desperation; in practice, the Communist state was simply replaced with a corporatist one; the beneficiaries of the boom were confined to a small club of Russians, many of them former Communist Party apparatchiks, and a handful of Western mutual fund managers who made dizzying returns investing in newly privatized Russian companies. A clique of nouveaux billionaires… stripped the country of nearly everything of value, moving the enormous profits offshore…The scandal wasn’t just that Russia’s public riches were auctioned off for a fraction of their worth – it was also that, in true corporatist style, they were purchased with public money.


The use of anti-terrorism and war to maintain power

Things got so bad for the Russian people that Yeltsin’s approval ratings fell into single digits. With his popularity so low in December 1994 that it threatened his continued rule, he went to war against Chechnya, which was attempting to secede from Russia. That war, plus the infusion of $100 million from his corporate cronies, plus 800 times more coverage on state TV than his rivals, allowed Yeltsin to be re-elected in 1996.

Continued economic shock therapy caused Yeltsin’s approval ratings to drop to 6% by 1998. But fortunately for the Yeltsin and the corporate oligarchy, another event came to their rescue: In September 1999, a series of terrorist attacks on apartment buildings resulted in about 300 deaths. Vladmir Putin was put in charge of this emergency and responded by starting another war against Chechnya. By this time Yeltsin was seriously incapacitated due to alcoholism. The corporate oligarchy engineered a quiet transfer of power to Putin, and immediately after he took power he signed a law that provided Yeltsin with immunity from criminal prosecution for any crimes he may have committed while in power.


Lessons for the maintenance of democracy

Although George Bush and Dick Cheney have not been formally granted dictatorial powers by Congress, as was Boris Yeltsin in 1991, they have in fact usurped numerous dictatorial powers in practice: George Bush has usurped the legislative powers of Congress by appending over a thousand “signing statements” to Congressional legislation which effectively nullified much of that legislation; he has usurped the Congressional responsibility to declare war by repeatedly lying to Congress and the American people in order to justify a preventive war against a nation that posed no threat to us; he has admitted to repeated violations of our Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures by ordering the interception of our communications without even seeking a warrant; and he has violated our Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendments by rounding up and indefinitely imprisoning thousands of men and boys without charges or trial, and torturing many of them. And yet, despite a Constitution that gives Congress the responsibility to resist such usurpations of executive power, our Congress has continually relinquished that responsibility.

I’ve previously discussed numerous parallels between the Bush/Cheney regime and Hitler’s Nazi regime, including: The appearance of relative normalcy for many years before dictatorship became entrenched beyond the point of no return; the turning of a blind eye to government atrocities by much of the nation’s press and people; the role of racism in facilitating a level of tolerance to those atrocities; the use of concentration camps; the pretense of fighting terrorism to create fear and quiet dissent; and more.

The demise of democracy in Russia demonstrates many of the same parallels. I won’t recount them again here, as the above recounted story should be familiar enough to Americans who have watched the Bush/Cheney regime illegally usurp one power after another over the past 7 years. I believe that the most important lesson we should take away from that story is that it is extremely dangerous to relinquish too much power to a single person or a small group of persons – especially if that person(s) has repeatedly shown himself to handle power irresponsibly.

I don’t know what the odds are that the Bush/Cheney regime will attempt to retain dictatorial power rather than hand it over in January 2009. I estimate it at about 25%, but maybe that’s because I’m in denial. I must admit that the current race for the 2008 presidency has distracted me from thinking about this.

But consider this. What if it looks like a Democrat will win the presidency? And what if shortly before November 2008 we have another terrorist attack? What do you think will happen then?

Dennis Kucinich is urging Congress to rise and accept their responsibility for this issue of world shattering importance. Maybe if they accept that responsibility they could rid us of our tyrants before we have another terrorist attack.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:36 AM
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1. Happy to give you rec #5 and shocked it took two hours
The American people need to wake up to what's going on. (But I'm afraid it may already be too late.)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:08 AM
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5. Thank you -- Yes, I'm afraid that it may be too late already. However,
the longer Congress waits the less chance we have IMO.

It may be that if Congress acts quickly to remove them from office, BEFORE a terrorist attack occurs, a coup attempt may not be possible. It may be that the American people are so accustomed to a certain amount of democracy that they would make it politically hazardous to try such a thing. In support of that possibility, the Bush administration floated the idea of "postponing" the 2004 elections. However, there was a very negative public reaction to that, and the idea of postponing the elections was dropped.

Of course, it's always possible that the administration may manufacture a terrorist attack -- and we don't know how long it would take them to do that.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:07 PM
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9. I agree with this premise. I don't trust these criminals
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 02:12 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
They know the Republican party is doomed for years.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:19 AM
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2. I'm almost afraid to read this, but I am bookmarking it for tomorrow.
It looks significant.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:57 AM
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3. reminds me of an incident in graduate school
One of my fellow students, a member of a Bavarian banking family. He left in the middle of a semester to go "help the former Soviet bloc transition to capitalist economies". Turns out they all went through shock therapy, but at least they are still democracies and now members of the EU. According to the CIA factbook, Poland is still more equal than the US. Their lowest 10% has 3.1% of the income, compared to 1.9% here and their highest 10% has 27% compared to 29.9% here.

I was also amazed as I looked at the per capita GDP list on wikipedia at how wealthy Norway is. Their per capita GDP is over $70,000! No wonder they can afford such awesome health care. USA's of $45,000 is amazing to me as well, especially since nobody I know is that wealthy. My siblings are doing pretty well, but since they are families of 4, they would need an income of $180,000 just to be average. Russia, otoh, seems to be at almost 3rd world GDP, perhaps even worse than they were in 1989. Wiki mentions that Poland was the first Eastern Bloc country to surpass 1989 GDP levels after their painful 'reforms' but they do not say when that happened. 1994? 2002?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:20 PM
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6. I'm not sure I would call a country like Russia a democracy
As Naomi Klein points out, when the vast majority of a country's citizens are vehemently against their government's economic policies, yet they are forced down their throats and cause the good majority of people great harm, it's hard to call that country a democracy.

Here is what she had to say about Russia's situation in the late 1990s:

In the basence of major famine, plague or battle, never have so many lost so much in so short a time. By 1998, more than 80% of Russian farms had gone bankrupt, and roughly 70,000 state factories had closed, creating an epidemic of unemployment. In 1989, before shock therapy, 2 million people in the Russian Federation were living in poverty, on less than $4 a day. By the time the shock therapists had administered their "bitter medicine" in the mid-nineties, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line...

And as for the Western conception of "democracy", she writes:

No matter how baldly Yeltsin defied anything resembling democracy, his rule was still characterized in the West as part of "a transition to democracy"... Similarly, the Bush administration has always portrayed Iraq as on the road to freedom... Russia's economic program was always described as "reform,"...In Russia in the mid-nineties, anyone who dared question the wisdom of "the reformers" was dismissed as nostalgic for Stalin...

It seems that in our country in particular, there is such a phobia of anything resembling Communism of socialism that any system that rejects those policies is considered "democracy".
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:41 PM
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8. Ok, I've got to question this
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 02:11 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
What in the heck is considered the "poverty line" in a country like Russia? Only two million people living in poverty before 1989 in the entire Russian federation? HUH?

Let's see: what do we call an "extended" family of grandma, grandpa, mom, and dad, son, daughter and new son-in law living in a tiny, tiny two bedroom flat? (I've been inside these government built and government owned flats.) What do we call it when all of their belongings fit in one small hall closet and a couple of stacked boxes? (I've been there - no regular closets.) What do we call it here when someone hasn't had a new pair of shoes in five years and darns their socks until there's almost no original yarn left? What do we call it when the food these people are eating is at a subsistance level?

IN THIS COUNTRY WE CALL THAT POOR! (Yes, I'm yelling.) We call this poverty. Don't confuse the "world" poverty line with poverty in this country. Accorrding to this country's standards, most of the people in the Russian federation were poor. Two million poor in the entire federation? :crazy:

And, damn, if you haven't been there yourself, don't tell me I'm lying. I have. And for the record, I've been to some of the countryside. Miles and miles of houses that are no more than shacks (some complete with outhouses) with a nice house every now and then. Don't we call that poverty in this country?

I'm absolutely terrified of people who want to take us from one extreme to the other, so I have to point this out. (I support mixed economies like France for the record. I know ours is mixed, but not mixed enough. :) )

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:12 PM
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10. The discussion of poverty in Russia that I quote is from Klein's book, pages 237-8
She quotes the World Bank for the 1998 statistics, and I believe the 1989 statistics come from the World Bank as well, but I'm not completely clear on that. She doesn't go into depth on how she comes up with the 2 million figure, except she uses the figure $4 per day.

Based on your comments I did some googling and came up with this article, which supports the idea that poverty in Russia became a lot worse after the so-called economic "reforms". It is titled "Russia's New Problem -- Poverty":

Prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, that country's economic and social system worked in a practical sense - meaning most people had a place to live and food to eat. Although standards of living were below those in the West, particularly in housing, daily life was predictable.... Russian citizens now live in different times. The country's transition to a more open economic system has created, temporarily at least, a large, new group of people in poverty....

I don't know what you mean by "people who want to take us from one extreme to the other". Naomi Klein does not advocate Communism or any other economic system. Rather, here book is largely about the tragic effects of economic shock therapy, which is the economic system of choice these days for right wing ideologues, and which has unfortunately been forced upon many nations in our world, including Iraq now under the U.S. occupation.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:50 PM
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16. I realize what corporatism did to millions of Russians
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 06:01 PM by midlife_mo_Jo
but I always like to point out what I believe is - well - ridiculous! Only two million poor prior to the dissolution of the entire Soviet Union? That is absolutely ridiculous.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:26 PM
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12. I was there in late 1995, and I agree with you.
$4 a day? Heck, when I was there, I knew people living on the equivalent of $10US a month. It's gotten amazingly worse since. When I was there, it was 5,600 rubles to the US dollar. It's now 24.37 rubles to the US dollar--and a few years back, they lopped off the last three zeros and stopped using all their change. Their economy is in the toilet, and our economists helped them get there. No wonder so many there don't trust us and long for the days of the Soviets (I knew people who did in '95).
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:28 PM
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14. Drift...
Where were you in 1995? I was living and working in St. Pete at that time.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:28 PM
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20. Nizhni Novgorod for most of the fall semester
I was there with the Coalition of Christian Colleges and Universities Russian Studies Program, so we spent the first two weeks in Moscow and the Golden Ring cities, then went to the university in Nizhni to study, and then spent the last two weeks of the term in St. Pete. Awesome experience, and I miss Russia terribly.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:06 PM
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28. I never made it out to Nizhny.
I studied in Moscow and Krasnodar, then lived in St. Pete. I had heard fabulous things about N.N., but never got out there.

Living there is amazing. And I miss it too.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:38 PM
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15. It sounds like you're fully agreeing with what Klein is saying
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:29 PM
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21. I would argue that people were way poorer than her numbers suggest.
The poverty rate was stunning when we were there. A real shock to children of the Cold War. There is really no good way to describe what happened to such amazingly strong people.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:32 PM
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22. You said you were there in 1995
That's the period about which Klein talked about a stunning poverty rate:

In the basence of major famine, plague or battle, never have so many lost so much in so short a time. By 1998, more than 80% of Russian farms had gone bankrupt, and roughly 70,000 state factories had closed, creating an epidemic of unemployment. In 1989, before shock therapy, 2 million people in the Russian Federation were living in poverty, on less than $4 a day. By the time the shock therapists had administered their "bitter medicine" in the mid-nineties, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line...

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:57 AM
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26. And I would still argue that her numbers were low.
I was there when the education ministry was bombed--by teachers who hadn't been paid in over six months. I knew people who had family working in the defense industry (not yet privatized then) who hadn't been paid in a year or more. People were starving, and it was so hard being an American with more money. I ended up not asking for change back on things, not haggling at all, and giving whatever I could to the poor who would beg at church.

I would argue that maybe 1% was rich, another 3-5% was middle class, and the rest of the country was poor or completely destitute. I remember watching the milk truck pull up to the apartment complex my host family lived in and seeing mothers with children only able to afford a pint at a time. Alcohol was cheaper than milk, and I personally had to walk around men passed out drunk on the sidewalk.

If that's what they want to do to our country, we'd better prepare.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:27 PM
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13. When I said that they are still democracies I was excluding Russia
I was talking about the eastern bloc - Poland, Latvia, Czeckia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania. At least some of them are still democracies even if they have more poverty than previously. Being part of the EU should help. Russia ceased to become a Democracy when Yeltsin took power. It was always pretty clear to me that his primary goal was keeping Yeltsin in power more than it was the welfare the Russian people or any 'reforms'.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:56 AM
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4. k+r
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:32 PM
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7. On the demise of U.S. democracy, from "Dark Ages America --
The Final Phases of Empire":

On 19 July 2004 Newsweek broke the story that the White House and the Justice Department had, for several months, been discussing the possibility of postponing the November 2 presidential election, which would have been a first in American history if it had come to pass. If power at all costs is the game, then democratic elections, protection against torture, civil liberties -- all of the things we used to take for granted -- become expendable, and practically overnight. As America morphed from a republic into an empire, these sorts of changes began to occur quite naturally; the unthinkable became perfectly thinkable, after all. Nor have most Americans, it must be said, been overly concerned about this new direction in which we are moving. Indeed, a large percentage of them are probably not even aware of it.

http://www.bullnotbull.com/archive/dark-ages-america.html
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 04:10 PM
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11. Thanks for this, TfC. K&R, and I'm off to buy Klein's book. (nt)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:01 PM
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17. I don't think you'll regret it
It's one of the most important and informative books I've ever read. And it's fairly easy to read, considering the complexity of the subject.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:04 PM
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18. I began writing this reply to your previous OP,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2625040">Debunking the Myths about John Edwards’ Universal Health Care Plan Espoused by its Critics.
Although I didn’t post it because I didn’t want to distract from the issue you were presenting there, as my perspective is conspecific to the ‘common factors’ that bind all such issues – but I think it is appropriate for this op.

Using the following analogy we can discuss the treatment of a pathological disease (for this example lets say) unknown to many experts. Doctors would know, that, often the symptoms of a disease are treated when:

one : the disease has no cure but symptoms can be treated to ease the suffering.

two : the disease is misdiagnosed and the prescribed treatment has no effect or it might cause further complications.

three : the symptom of an unknown disease is thought to be the disease itself – as the unknown disease is elusive, even to the experts. Yet, said experts have various opinions as to how to cure and treat the disease, but their erroneous diagnosis will eventually lead them back to one two or three because their trying to cure the symptom and not the disease itself.

four : the disease is known and the symptoms are treated, along with treating the disease itself, and the disease is eventually cured.

If our health care system for instance had a life of its own, I think we could agree that it was very ill indeed and in urgent need of medical attention. If we could look at our current medical system for a moment (one of many important issues) - as if it has a disease and was being treated by social practitioners, i.e. our political leaders, ware would we be according to the above analogy?

Now consider that the state of our political system itself has a disease, and as per the analogy above, it is the unknown disease within example three and it will keep us in the one two or three loop analogy - stymieing any hope of reaching the forth example, ware it is cured.

If this is true and history is any example, the least of our worries - is the state of issues such as health care, of which I give the denomination of a “Carrot Issue”, in that they (our political leaders) wave these issues in front of the masses like carrots for the purpose of getting votes, and in the end for reasons related to the unknown disease as described in the above analogy, its just not going to happen as they promise. In fact the insincere use of these issues is nothing more than distractions from the ’real issue’, that is evident to few, while remaining elusive to the many, not because people don’t see it, but because they don’t see it for what it is, and as an issue it is taken of the table of discussion by the disease itself. We affectionately like to refer to this symptomatic phenomenon of the disease - as things we are not supposed to talk about, when in fact it is the disease protecting itself from being discovered.

In addition the nature of the disease hijacks - warps and hides within normal peoples ideologies, which is another method it uses to protect itself from discovery, and normal people will help to protect it at their own peril. We are familiar with the concept of wolves in sheep’s clothing or wrapped in a flag while carrying a cross. Let us also consider what the disease sounds like once it has taken over an ideology that normal people hold sacred – as it transposes it’s true character onto it's victims and those who appose it. Patriotism becomes “They hate us for our freedom. They don’t want to see Democracy succeed. If your not with us, your with the terrorist. Dissenters, war protesters and the liberal left are un patriotic.”

For historical example of this phenomenon let us take a look at. http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm">The History of the Swastika.

The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. The Nazis used it to murder millions of people, but for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?

The Oldest Known Symbol
The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.
During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:
China - wan
England - fylfot
Germany - Hakenkreuz
Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
India - swastika
Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.

The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II. <snip>


This was a great example of how Evil used a symbol of something good that people believed in - as tool to mask its true intent, resulting in the death of millions, all for sake of world domination and power in the hands of the psychopathological minority.

Getting back to the above analogy and example four :
the disease is known and the symptoms are treated, along with treating the disease itself, and the disease is eventually cured.


The disease is known as http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm"> Pathocracy: The treatment and cure will come when the world of normal man understands and see’s it for what it is, and makes decisions acordingly...

K&R
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:26 PM
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19. "The treatment and cure will come when the world of normal man understands and....
see’s it for what it is, and makes decisions acordingly..."

Damn right. One of the worst examples of the failure to see it for what it is was when more than 50 million Americans voted for George W. Bush -- twice. We're going to have to improve our understanding quite a bit over that if world civilization is going to last much longer.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:33 PM
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23. Do you remember when you wrote this OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1135072"> “The Demise of our First Amendment Rights – And How that Enables Rampant Militarism” , and then the question I brought up pertaining to a letter wrote by Thomas Jefferson. Refresh your self with our conversation – as it describes something Lobachevski talks about in chapter four and five of Ponerology. “Some people figuring out what’s going on and the role of ideologies.”

I had a very bad feeling as to how religion was being used by the conservatives and neo-cons, I knew it was something significant, but like the whole of the big picture – something you just cant put your finger on. But according to Lobachevski, psychopaths do not create ideologies, and ideologies do not need psychopaths, but psychopaths needs the ideologies normal people create in order to mimic – fit in – take over – deform into their image and then eventually control those normal people who have faith in the ideology - which has been totally changed except for its outside appearance. Then the psychopath, or the Pathocracy who wants nothing more than to expand its empire, convinces the naive normal people that their ideology is threatened by some other evil societies ideology, and thus, in the defense of their ideology the normal people are easily drawn into war.

Obviously its more complicated but this description – a syntheses of one aspect ware the end justifies means, ware pathocrats / psychopaths intend to conquer and become the masters of the world.


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 PM
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24. That reminds me of Scott Peck's "People of the Lie"
That book also is a study in evil.

The main theme of the book is how evil people do everything in their power to pretend to have characteristics that are the opposite of who they really are. That is the only way that can maintain any kind of credibility with other people, because if people knew what they were really like that wouldn't want to have anything to do with them. In other words, they are the ultimate hypocrites.

It seems that Lobachevski's and Peck's ideas have a lot in common.

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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:50 PM
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27. One can imagine the commonality of literary works about this subject
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 01:56 PM by Larry Ogg
If it is as Lobachevski and others say it is, (A pathological disorder relating to inherited genetic defects with in the substratum of the brain – which renders its victims emotional Daltonist, aka psychopath.) – researchers could be led to homogeneous
conclusions – although some what variegated by the researchers understanding and experience within the subject, my guess is that that should be expected. Will the truth be gleaned by science, after a synthesis of many such psychological literaries that describe the symptoms – in conjunction with the work of pathologist?

Lobachevski does makes several inferential points that solving the problems of macrosocial evil requires the expertise and understanding of multiple sciences as well as history. Seeing as how the problem is both pathological and psychological – inherited and or acquired – or a combination of both.

Now consider for a moment the subject of morality, if the geneses of Hitler’s actions was pathological should he be judged by the understanding of moralist or that of scientist? And couldn’t the same question be asked concerning cancer or the plague? This is something Lobachevski brings up in a discussion about moralizing interpretation of things that are pathological, it can only lead to erroneous conclusions - paralogical interpretation of the natural world and subjective premises.

Let me know what you think…
Larry


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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:51 AM
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25. I think my hands would fall off ...
... if I gave this thread as much applause as it deserves. Well said!

:applause:

:dem:

-Laelth

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