Will Kerry ever be forgiven? Or tolerated? Or hated any less?

[graywarrior]

What an effin phenomenon this guy is.

[Bicoastal]

1. Explain, please.

The guy got more votes than any Democrat EVER.

[Lex]

2. For all the good that did him

and us.

[graywarrior]

3. I'm talking about every time his name is mentioned here, a flurry of

emotion erupts. It's amazing.

[Lex]

4. It's referred pain

from Bush having a 2nd term.

[JuniperLea]

5. Because he held all the cards...

And he threw them all away! He should have fought the good fight when the election was stolen from him! But did he? Hell no! He rolled over on his back and pissed himself like a dog being scolded.

I've agreed with nearly everything he had said and done up until that point.

This is very much like how Democrats are unhappy with Congress! We loved them when we voted them in, but we can hate them just as quickly when they fucked us over!

[shaniqua6392]

8. You are exactly right.

What a spineless wimp. He did not even spend all of the money everyone gave to his campaign. He could have fought. Every time I see him I think of how much of a hero he is NOT.

[JuniperLea]

19. If you think about the domino effect...

We have him to thank for all the crap Bush has put us through since that election went foul.

[sam sarrha]

9. well if he hadn't bent over and let the swift boaters drive W's short bus up his ass and

lose the election cause of it.. we wouldn't still have a wet brain alcoholic in the white house... and lose a supreme court nomination ..and.. and... his lack of spine was pathetic..

just my opinion..

[LaurenG]

6. I'm not mad at him, I just don't necessarily agree with him. nt

[gateley]

7. I'm neutral on Kerry. nt

[LittleClarkie]

10. I still love him.

He still makes MY heart go piddy pat.

And I cried as hard as anyone on November 5th.

[JuniperLea]

21. It wasn't just his own presidency he let go of...

He let us be strapped with Commander Koo-Koo Bananas! No, he left us! He turned his back on us AND on our country!!!

[LittleClarkie]

22. I don't see it that way.

He had little control and no proof. He didn't even have as strong a leg to stand on as Gore. I've always thought it an unrealistic notion that he could have changed anything.

We can't even agree HERE that he won. Half say he lost to the worst prez ever, and half say he won but didn't fight.

Meanwhile NO ONE was willing to support him in his party if he fought. We strapped OURSELVES with Koo Koo. It should never have even been close.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

11. Two points on John Kerry.

1). I gave a grand total of $500 to his 2004 campaign, which may not seem like a lot to some people, but was a real sacrifice for me at the time, and...

2). I sat there, with most of his other supporters, while a MONTH went by without any aggressive response on the Swift Boat ads.

There was a Newsweek article that came out after the election in which the author claimed that Kerry vented DAILY to his daughters about the Swift Boat ads and that he was FURIOUS with the way that Mary Beth Cahill handled his campaign.

It may be true, but none of it matters right now, you know?

Forgiven? I don't know if that's the right word.

Tolerated? Maybe on some days, maybe not so much on others.

Hated any less? No, I don't hate him. I wanted John Kerry to be our president. He knew how to dodge bullets in a rice paddy but when it came to defending himself against Karl Rove he ran out of ideas. As sales guru Zig Ziglar would say, "He got cooked in the squat."

:patriot:

[politicasista]

12. He'll never be appreciated here

It's sad because he is a liberal senator and cares about voters and progressive causes.

He does more work than most, yet still gets berated for it while the others that have done less are lauded heavilly here. Look at all the "spineless wimp", posts around here. It's a joke that childish name calling and right wing talking points are allowed here. (against all dems).


The double standard is amazing, yet tiresome.

[blues90]

13. I wish he did not conceed so soon and did what he said he would

Plus he should have fired his advisors in 2003 instead of going out and joining the same tactics and bush . He should have never said we should go after the killers and many other things when he and bush had the three days of debates .

I don't understand any of it really . A candidant should have a plan and stick with it to the end . Bush would have destroyed hinself all on his own .

[ProSense]

17. Do you want the truth:

Blogged by JC on 08.22.05 @ 04:19 PM ET

Fighting for Every Voter

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

link

more

The truth has been posted hundreds of times. People whining isn't about change or facts, it's about, well, whining.

And the Edwards wanted to fight meme makes no sense. How exactly did Kerry stop him considering there were candidates from other parties fighting?

[ProSense]

14. John Kerry

is awesome.

makes history.

a real progressive hero.

[Didereaux]

15. roadkill should not be eaten, or resurrected! cajuns notwithstanding

[ProSense]

18. We really don't want to know anything about your experiences. Ick! n/t

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

16. He had the gut to take on the BCCI. He is a hero to me, forever!!!

The corporacrats will do any/everything to destroy him, especially married to Heinz.

However, he is an amazingly courageous individual that survives the corporate-controlled environment.

I still believe in him.

I believe he pull magic out of this aweful time.

[maxsolomon]

20. the Swift Boat issue put him in the Dukakis folder

&, sad to say, he'll never get out of it. i thought he'd have been an incredible president.

however, he either:
a. let himself be slimed. i don't buy this.
b. didn't overrule mary beth cahill when she let him be slimed. he should have fired her ass.

the GOP fights dirty because it works. the high road doesn't. campaigns are about these idiotic sidebars, because frankly, people, and americans especially, are total idiots who buy anything that confirms their predjudices.

witness:

When Gov. Adlai Stevenson (D-IL) was running against the wildly popular war hero, Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, (meaning NO ONE could have beaten Ike in the 1950s) one of Stevenson's frequent bywords was, "Let's talk sense to the American people." It's reported that at one of his speeches, a supporter yelled out, "Governor, you have every thinking American behind you." "That's not enough," he smiled. "I need a majority."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Kerry Is One Of The Most Outstanding Senators We've Ever Had.

He's someone we should talk about with pride.

[emulatorloo]

24. You SwiftBoat Revisionists have GOT TO STOP this nonsense. Kerry fought, MEDIA DID NOT COVER

The media gave endless air time to Swifties but practically none to Kerry Spokesmen.

Kerry gave tough speeches attacking the SWIFTIES for lying about his record. The news shows showed footage with the SOUND TURNED OFF.

The NYT debunked the whole swiftboat charade, the story was never picked up by Cable News.

Almost immediately Max Cleland traveled to Crawford to DEMAND that BUSH STOP THAT BULL SHIT SWIFTBOAT crap.
The cable stations showed a couple of second of it, and then moved on to giving the SWIFTIES endless free airtime.

ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC.

Then when Kerry lost the elections, the nasty punditicracy made it their life's work to create the BULLSHIT CONVENTIONAL WISDOM that "Kerry did not fight."

Kerry fought alright. The media just did not cover it -- too invested in re-electing Baby Bush

(not talking to you of course, greywarrior)

[Marrah_G]

25. I love Kerry- I will continue to vote for him :)