I could get along with Huckabee...

[cynatnite]

I mean it. I could carry on a decent conversation, joke around, discuss issues, talk about the weather and whatever. He seems like a really nice guy. That's always my thinking when watching him get interviewed. It was how I felt when he was on Colbert.

I think he's a really nice person that is very likeable even though his positions are counter to pretty much every one of mine.

Would he make a good president? Hell, no. I wouldn't vote for him even if someone paid me.

[maddiejoan]

1. Just don't let his kids

near your dog.

[Tarc]

21. Don't let em near any more Krispy Kremes, either

[maddiejoan]

26. woah

You really need to attach a "disturbing graphic image" to that.

I just tipped over my coffee!!

[formerrepuke]

49. Those mutant kids could be a deal breaker for some voters..seriously,

even if Huck were on our side of the political spectrum, I'd have trouble with that image.

[nonconformist]

51. LOL... looks like the wife is choking the dog

He has a Bill the Cat ACK look going on...

[Tarc]

87. Ack! I miss the 80's and Bloom County sometimes

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. this is why it is vital we talk issues and track record

Huckabee was a disaster as governor of Arkansas, raising taxes, diluting local control of schools, and trying to steal furniture from the Governor's mansion when he left office. A friend who works in Little Rock told me that his REPUBLICAN support in the state legislature was down to 13 when he left office.

[cynatnite]

5. Agreed n/t

[Libby2]

3. I hear Ted Bundy was a nice guy too. n/t

[Kucinich4America]

76. Actually, he was.

My grandfather actually worked with him a while.

And did you ever notice the resemblance between Ted and Chimpy :scared:

[Cheap_Trick]

86. only difference between them

bush killed far more people than ted did.

[Libby2]

88. Yes, I used that same pix

to torture some repukes just the other day.

[rox63]

4. He'd probably make an ok neighbor

as long as you could avoid talking about politics or religion with him. And keep his kids away from your pets.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. i dont know how people view bigots as likealbe. seriously i dont get it.

[Big Blue Marble]

11. They are human too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. i am not saying we should burn bigots, i just personally find them unlikeable.

[Big Blue Marble]

27. I am not sure why you are calling Huckabee a bigot.

He is a evangelical minister and has some crazy beliefs. Bigots are people
who hate others for their beliefs or their heritage. I am not aware of
Hukabee expressing any hatred. But even bigots are human, very wounded
and even dangerous, but most have some likable qualities too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. homophobes are bigots.

this is what bigotry is

"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"

[Big Blue Marble]

33. That definition could fit a lot of us here!

"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"
I have seen a lot of those kinds of attitudes around here recently.

But your point about homophobe is well said. I think you are right about that.
I have never heard him say anything homophobic, but I sure he has contributed
to the fear and hatred of gays somewhere down the line.

Even if he is misguided about gays, he has some likable traits.

[TwilightGardener]

35. You don't understand--he's not "misguided" about gays--he hates them.

He didn't "contribute" to hatred of gays, he led the movement via the pulpit. He won't release any of his old sermons (basically, his work record before being governor) because they are likely VERY politically damaging.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. thank you.

[Big Blue Marble]

38. I am not minimizing his behavior.

It is outrageous. Hate always is. I am saying even flawed people have value.
Hmm...are we not all flawed in some way?

[TwilightGardener]

41. What value does he have? Especially in terms of being President?

Why are you defending this psychotic assclown?

[Big Blue Marble]

43. Well first of all I am defending not his behaviors but his humanity.

And if you read my posts, you would see that I think he is totally unfit to be our president.
But then I think that about all the Republicans. Whether you like it or not, he comes across
TV as a personable guy. And by the way every human has value.

[TwilightGardener]

48. I'm not even defending his humanity, because he seeks to deny the humanity of others.

I'm sorry, but "Christians" like him are monsters.

[Big Blue Marble]

61. That thinking takes us to war.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. racism and republicans and greed took us to war

[Big Blue Marble]

72. Hatred and fear took us to war. It always does.

Greed is always in there somewhere as well.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

73. exactly the kind of hatred that huckabee has for the gays.

[Big Blue Marble]

79. Hatred is hatred.

Of course it is easy to believe that their hatred is worse than ours. That is how
wars get started. If we are going to save this country, we need to change our discourse.
Yes call out behavior that is destructive. And at the same time, search for commonality.
Because when we look, it is always there. And that commonality is the only way we
are going to take this country back from the power structure that loves it when we "little"
people fight each other down here in the trenches, while they steal us blind.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

81. i dont think you have to hate someone if you think they are a bigot

and not deserving of fondness because they have a sense of humor

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

89. A sense of humor?

You mean knee slappin', gut bustin, ROTFLMAO humor like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7336210

What's funny about genocide? Can you explain that please?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

91. Hatred comes in many flavors...

...and there's more than one kind of bigotry -- case in point:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7336210

[La Lioness Priyanka]

99. you have yet to explain how that is bigoted?

i would understand the comment if it was an anti Muslim/Iraq joke

BUT IT WASNT

it was mocking us and the situation we have caused in Iraq

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

103. Anyone who would make light of ...

...a genocide being visited by their own country on that of another would at least implicitly be exhibiting bigotry toward those people -- in this case the people of Iraq.

[Name removed]

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[Mr_Jefferson_24]

108. Insults are the refuge of those who have no argument. nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

111. as i said its to argue with a non-rational person. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

112. so if i mock the action of the germans in world war two, i am mocking the holocaust?

that is some strange logic

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

115. That's a straw man argument...

...See post #97 and #109.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

116. no its not a straw man its a legitimate point.

:eyes:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

117. Yes, it's most definitely a straw man. Here's a primer...

on the straw man argument you may want to review:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.<1> To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. there are flaws and then there are flaws.

[Big Blue Marble]

47. Yes it is something about that mote in our eyes and that plank in the other guy's eye. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. well my flaw is that i require a lot of attention. huckabee flaw is he wants to destroy gays,

its ridiculously silly to compare the two.

[Big Blue Marble]

60. I'm not sure we can judge our own flaws very well or how damaging to

others. I am saying we are good at judging the bad and the ridiculous in others and minimizing our own flaws.
Of course, his hatred is dangerous and inexcusable. So is ours.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. actually i think you are just excusing huckabee. there are degrees of flaws in humans

i cause FAR less hatred and damage in this world. this is not just a self aggrandizing belief.

[zanne]

113. Oh please.

He's using his sense of humor the way Bush used his "Aw Shucks" personality to get into the White House. A bigot is a bigot is a bigot is a bigot.......

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. misguided about gays? he is a straight up bigot. he is bigoted and vile

not misguided.

misguided people are people who dont know and go along with the pack

vile bigots lead the hatred.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Huckabee has expressed veiled hatred on numerous occasions.

He's a hateful fucker, but he's able to fool the simple-minded and gullible, apparently.

[Big Blue Marble]

34. Could you provide me with a couple of links to those quotes? n/t

[TwilightGardener]

37. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3624058

http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Huckabee_called_homosexuality_dangerous_public_health_risk

[Big Blue Marble]

63. Thank you. Those are repulsive. Yet I can still find his humanity.

[Big Blue Marble]

45. So you think I am simple minded because I recognize qualities

in him, I do not see in the other Republican candidates?

[TwilightGardener]

52. I see courage in John McCain, I see intelligence in Mitt Romney, I see

humor and tolerance in Rudy. I see absolutely nothing of value in Huckabee---I can't fucking stand him. Your mileage obviously varies.

[Big Blue Marble]

57. I agree with you on McCain.

Intelligence in "I am going to double Guantanamo." Romney sorry I missed that.
But pay attention to Huckabee. Whether you like him or not, he comes across to many as likable.
And he has a populous message that appeals at this time.

[TwilightGardener]

59. OK, your concern is noted.

[DangerDave921]

13. Bigot?

Other than being a RW'er, is there something he's done specifically that makes him a bigot?

I agree with OP -- seems like a decent guy in interviews. Has a very "aw shucks" demeanor about him which I'm sure earns him some votes from folks who want their president to be "one of them."

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. yes he is homophobe. if you google " huckabee, gay" there are several articles about it

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/12/huckabee_gay_behavior_a_choice/

not to mention wanting to isolate aids patients etc.

[TwilightGardener]

32. He compared gay marriage to people marrying their dogs. He called

homosexuality a public health menace. If you don't consider that bigoted, then I don't know what to say.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

39. How 'bout people who find humor...

...in genocide:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7336210

Do you find them likable?

[Big Blue Marble]

53. Wow where did I say I found humor in bigotry or hatred?

I said that he is human. Other than that I just will not dignify your question with a response.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

58. My question was not directed to you. nt.

[Name removed]

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[Mr_Jefferson_24]

95. You were most certainly making light of ...

...the genocide that is Iraq, and I think you know it. This would explain your resorting to name calling rather than a rational argument/defense.

It's difficult to defend what is indefensible, is it not?

[Name removed]

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[Mr_Jefferson_24]

97. Here's the text of your OP:

We blew our load long ago. She is already pregnant, and we'll be taking care of whatever spawns from this for decades. So it's too late for pulling out to save us from that.

But staying in is just causing our collective cock to chafe. We need to pull out and put some vitamin-E or cocoa butter on that thing or it's gonna scab.

As for lying to get us in there; that happens all the time

which you describe in the subject line as: Possibly the funniest description /analogy of the iraq war

Then in post #3 of that same thread you claim the OP was written by a friend that you regard as "bright."

How is that not making light of the genocide our country has visited on Iraq?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

98. because its an analogy to how we have handled the war. not to its victims

or denying that it has caused pain/suffering/death or genocide.

and my friend is bright. unlike you.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

109. It displays a stunning insensitivity to the...

...pain/suffering/death to which you refer.

It's about on par with witnessing an elderly woman being mugged and laughing at the way she falls after being knocked in the head and relieved of her purse.

It takes a special kind of emotional detachment and/or lack of ability to empathize to see humor in such things.

[Rabrrrrrr]

105. Wow - you're just so wrong.

Wrong about genocide.

Wrong about treating a clever and funny analogy as a tacit approval of something horrible.

Either your humor gene is missing, or you completely misread, or in some kind of hyperemotional bizarro knee-jerk state in which you react completely outside of what is appropriate. I can't imagine anyone who feels normal thinking that her post was approval of genocide.

That's just fucking dumb.

Plus, the Iraq war is not genocide. It's deplorable, immoral, and wrong - but it is not genocide.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

106. No genocide in Iraq?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Scroll down to "Genocide as a crime under international law." What we've done in Iraq easily satisfies the requirement for genocide.

Just the effect of the sanctions alone, prior to the invasion meet this requirement.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNdxX1x6I_4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HScFCWD_1Gk

Not surprising that someone who denies what we've done in Iraq qualifies as genocide would find that OP amusing. And I did not claim that OP was expressing approval, but making light, of genocide, you're misrepresenting there.

As for your grade school insults, these are typically the refuge of those with no argument, as would clearly seem to be the case here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

110. --

:rofl: you are laughable at you complete lack of logic, humor or rationale

[redwitch]

82. I must agree. Politics so ugly make the person who espouses them totally

gross.

[rucky]

93. Something I learned as a teacher

dealing with many unsavory personalities (kids and parents, too):

"There are no bad kids - just bad behavior" okay, they're just kids, but adults are complicated, too - and they have flaws, but good aspects too. I'm not saying forgive and forget and accept bigotry. I'm saying that if you approach a bigoted comment or action or attitude from this perspective - focusing on the actions instead of the entire person - you can gain alot of headway in changing minds.

just MHO.

[On the Road]

7. This is Why He's the Candidate I'm Most Afraid Of

If the mood of the country is change, he's the Republican best able to present himself as a real alternative to Bush. And as we are constantly seeing, personal demeanor is more important that actual policy.

[Minstrel Boy]

70. precisely

I don't know why more Democrats can't see this. If the Republicans nominate the most personable candidate, they win. That's how it goes.

[RB TexLa]

8. It's weird people put the likability thing up. Thinking about it, I can get along with just about

anyone.

[cynatnite]

12. His demeanor comes across as way more likeable...

than any of the other repuke candidates. This is a lot of the reason why I think he'll get the rep. nom. in addition to his RW ideology.

[Big Blue Marble]

14. Does anybody ever vote for a candidate they do not like?

[RB TexLa]

66. I have, I've voted for candidates I've known personally and didn't like

[TwilightGardener]

9. I couldn't. He gives me the creeps. I've never seen a candidate

so attracted to the "stardom" aspect of running, and so averse to actual development of serious policies and positions. I don't know why he's running, if not for fame.

[Big Blue Marble]

10. I agree with you completely.

He offers a natural sincerity that somewhat frightens me until I am reminded of his loony policies and religious fervor.

[walldude]

15. Check out his Crooks and Liars page

and get back to me on what a "nice" guy he is

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/mike-huckabee/

[Johonny]

16. I agree

He comes off on the Colbert show as very likable. His last two speeches in Iowa and New Hampshire were very centrist, very likable. If I was republican and thought more republican policies were a good thing, I'd probably vote for him over the rest of that lot.

[cynatnite]

18. That's why I think he has a real shot at the repuke nomination more so than the other repukes n/t

[anniebelle]

17. You HAVE got to be kidding!

You obviously have access to a computer -- look up this POS's record, would you? Then get back to me about even being in the same room with that bastard.

[cynatnite]

19. I'm not talking about his record...I'm talking about his demeanor...

and how he comes across. This is why I think he has a much better shot at getting the nomination than the other repukes he's running with.

[TheWatcher]

100. Sef-delete.

[Bucky]

22. You know who you couldn't have a good conversation with?

That woman that was murdered by the rapist Huckabee pardoned in order to "get back" at Clinton. What did Clinton ever do to deserve this? He got elected over and over. What did that first rape victim do? She had the bad judgment to be born a cousin of Clinton's? What did that second murder-rape victim do? She had the bad judgment to live outside of Arkansas. Cause you see, Huckabee was so convinced this guy deserved a pardon that the terms of his pardon included getting the hell out of Arkansas.

But you're right, he does seem like a hoot to talk with.

[Phillycat]

24. A really nice person? Are you serious?

He forced a mentally disabled minor child rape victim to bear her own stepfather's child, rather than waive the parental notification laws.

Are you out of your mind?

[cynatnite]

25. I'm talking about his demeanor...not his record...

This is why I think he has a good chance of getting the rep. nomination over the rest of the repukes.

on edit: That's in addition to his RW ideology.

[Phillycat]

28. But you said "I think he's a really nice person"

How can you think someone who could do the things this piece of shit has done is a nice person?

[cynatnite]

30. Don't you know that a person can do some shitty things, but still have a nice demeanor?

No way in hell would he make a good president, but he comes across as nice. He's polite, shows humility, has a sense of humor and all that...despite his record.

[Fierce]

46. But doesn't knowing his record

make you view the affability, humility and sense of humor differently?

It does me.

[TwilightGardener]

54. Exactly. Once I knew more about him, his "charm" started to

look sinister to me.

[cynatnite]

62. Knowing his record it doesn't change how he comes across to me...

He strikes me as very personable and I think most people could talk to him very easily. It doesn't change the fact that I think he'd be a horrible president and that his record backs that up.

I knew a lady a few years ago who was as nice as they come. She was friendly, outgoing and had a great sense of humor. But she was also homophobic, believed that women who had abortions should go to hell, thought a cross-dresser deserved to get beaten within an inch of his life and other repugnant beliefs. She still had a nice demeanor.

My dad came across as the biggest redneck there was. He liked country music, drove a pickup and could be the world's biggest asshole when he wanted to be. If you didn't know him, he came across as a typical country boy from the south. In fact, he was as liberal as most folks around here are.

These folks are examples of how surprising humans can be.

[Phillycat]

67. "I knew a lady...who was as nice as they come".

Do you not know the difference between someone who is "a nice person" and someone who "has a pleasant demeanor"? Because you keep conflating the two in your posts. That woman was NOT A NICE PERSON. She was a hateful religious zealot bigot. She may have had a pleasant demeanor, but she herself was NOT NICE.

[cynatnite]

71. She was nice...

her beliefs were screwed up and it was pretty easy to shut her up when she discussed them. But she was nice. Best I could tell it wasn't an act.

You didn't know her personally so you can't say.

I don't have cut and dry opinions of people I know. Most everyone I know, whether I like them or not, are complex individuals that can't be defined by a few short words or even one sentence.

[Fierce]

75. Well, you're surprising me, that's for sure.

And I'm not trying to slam. It's just a very, very different way of looking at things than I have.

[Phillycat]

77. Me too.

Can you imagine being friends with someone and just having to ignore that they hated gays, or blacks, or women? "Oh, it's just a little quirk he has, we just don't talk about it and it's fine." Lord!

[cynatnite]

78. I said this was someone I knew a few years ago...

It was a temp job and we worked in the same office.

[Big Blue Marble]

40. Agree completely.

He comes across as nice, but gawd he would be a disaster as a president.
He did not even know where the Pakistan-Iran border was! He is not the one
we are looking for.

[blondeatlast]

44. Precisely why he's worrisome. He's Reagan with his OWN agenda--

a nasty, vindictive one.

I've been saying this for a while now--the Dems need to destroy him NOW--the RNC will finish him off and we can beat whomever else they nominate. But Huckabee could actually win--just like that likable Bush asshole...

[cynatnite]

64. I totally agree...

He has a real good chance of getting the nomination, IMO.

[frogmarch]

56. Huck's a schmuck, and there's

no way I could converse with him about anything.

[goodhue]

69. Indeed, which is why he is dangerous

If he gets the nomination, we are in trouble

[Tommy_Carcetti]

74. I get along with my crazy Republican mother in law

That doesn't really mean anything about having good ideas, though. She's still crazy. Really. She thinks we'll all be bombed in a terrorist attack any day now.

[workinclasszero]

80. I like Mike

Wouldn't vote for him of course. Another guaranteed 4 more years in Iraq for sure with Mike.

No sale.

Seems a likable guy though. I'm sure the other knuckle draggers in the party will do their best to destroy him anyway.

[J-Lo Biafra]

83. Maybe it's time we forgive and forget Hitler...

[Phillycat]

84. LOL! Seriously!

:rofl: How could ANYONE find this vile piece of shit likable??? I don't get it.

[asthmaticeog]

85. *snort*

:rofl:

[Superman Returns]

90. I was thinking this

He should get his own talk show. He's funny and entertaining. Just not presidential material.

[Meldread]

92. I agree, actually.

He has a personal charm and charisma that is similar to Bill Clinton. When you listen to him or meet him he's the type of guy you feel like you can relate to, even as he fucks you over. He's the type of guy you can go into the room hating, but who can convince you that he isn't so bad after all by the time you leave.

Let's face facts here... There is a large amount of people here on DU who hate him simply because he's a Republican. If he was exactly the same in every way imaginable many of the same people who hate him would be defending him as if any attack against him was a personal slight. We saw the same with Joe Lieberman. We all knew what type of person he was, but here at DU because he was a Democrat he got a free pass and while he was bashed by some - others still defended him.

Sometimes I get the feeling that if Hitler were a member of the Democratic Party some people here would defend him simply based off that fact alone, and nothing else. The Republicans have their ditto heads, but we also have our fair share.

Make no mistake though, Huckabee is one fucked up guy. Charm and Charisma will only get you so far, but once you dig deeper what you will find is truly repulsive. There is an old saying about the devil always having his charms.

[TheWatcher]

101. Hitler was very charming as well.

Just sayin'.

[GoneOffShore]

104. You've nailed it.

And he was nice to dogs. Unlike Hucker's kid.

[aaronbees]

102. He's a good storyteller, that's it

I've met the man and seen him in action, speaking and spinning his stories down here (he grew up in Hope, Ark., where Clinton was born, just 30 miles down the road from me); his yarns can be fun to hear in a down-home, "folksy" way and he does have a quick, knowledgeable wit ... but that's what makes him precisely so dangerous. He's famous among Arkansas journalists for being notoriously thin-skinned and the absolute opposite of the image he projects; from what I've heard and read, he can be downright vengeful. I think he'll gain a certain amount of traction down South, but I still can't see him getting the nomination. He's not liked by the establishment Repugs and some of his ideas are a little too out there for mainstream ones.

[earth mom]

114. Yeah that's what people said about *. That he'd be fun to have a beer with.

Guess all these dead people he's responsible for killing can't party with him though. :puke: