Did Clinton supporters scream fraud when they lost Iowa?

[hertopos]

I believe that it was possible that OH vote was rigged based on the difference between the exit poll and the result.

However, at NH, exit polls matches the result. It is highly improbable that NH result was rigged as Skinner put it in better words.

Let me remind you something.
Iowa was surprising to many Clinton supporters. Did any of Clinton supporters scream fraud? No!!

Let's be more realistic. Edwards does have very different political position compared to Obama and Clinton. On the other hand, there are no significant policy difference between Obama and Clinton based on their record. I really hope Obama will talk more about details of his policies from now on instead of saying he will hire good people. ( He said that to Hillary something like that in a previous debate.)

I was originally a huge Gore supporter because my biggest concern is climate change. Once I know Gore won't run, I was inclined to Clinton since I want someone who can get more things done than anyone. I don't agree many things she voted.

During last few days, I became a serious Clinton supporter for two reasons.
1. Media bashing of Clinton including some of unreasonably hateful comment against Hillary.
2. Clinton's focus on her message.

Dear Obama supporters,

You can still change my mind. I want to know more details of what he plan to do.
So far he sounds more like great spiritual leader than real world leader.
Some people compare Obama to JFK. But JFK and his brother RFK was way more confrontational against injustice. I don't want any unite. I want someone who can get job done, which requires more down to earth political maneuvers.

I spent many hours of my time over 2004 OH election. I know the difference between what happened last night and 2004.

Please spend your time more effectively.

53year old working mother, business owner

Hertopos

[truebrit71]

1. Um...how do you use Diebold machines in a caucus scenario?

There's no "voting" in the traditional sense...

Apples and oranges...

[Imagevision]

2. Can yesterdays' vote in New Hampshire be verified, yes or no?

[Marrah_G]

5. Yes- they can be hand counted

[sandnsea]

6. It's mostly opti-scan

Yes I think most of it can be verified. Except the people who didn't get to vote because there weren't any ballots.

[stillcool]

3. New Hampshire...

First use of computerized voting machines in this primary season. No future election results should be accepted as accurate, as long as there is no way to determine the accuracy of the vote. Move beyond Obama.

[sandnsea]

7. I thought it was mostly opti-scan n/t

[stillcool]

11. I think you are right...

and that for the most part NH does use optical scan ballots...which would make it that much easier to hand count a percentage of the ballots and verify the vote. If that is the case...easy, peasy...and people can be comfortable with the results..so why not do it? Something has to be done...to insure that future elections results can be seen as accurate...by all concerned. Why not?

[sandnsea]

14. Oregon actually does that, now you mention it

All our ballots are opti-scan because we have mail-in. We just passed a law requiring automatic verifying counts. I can't remember if it's every county or random, but it's a step in the right direction.

[stillcool]

15. The last election in Venezuela..

was a real shocker. They hand count something in the neighborhood of half the ballots...along with open-source code..and the blue finger thing. If we did just a portion of that it would go a long way in providing some kind of comfort with results.

[Bitwit1234]

4. I for one said the practice of allowing people to be bussed in

from other states and allowed to register minutes before they vote leaves a lot to be desired. I think there should be a way to verify these voters. If it was my state I sure as hell would....Look at all the fraud by having people register as democrats put in a candidate no one wants. That way they could take the state in the general.

But that's the system Iowa uses. Maybe because they want to be sure they continue to get the press, goodness knows no one every pays attention to them otherwise.

[Bluerthanblue]

16. You can't be bussed into NH-

you have to provide proof of residency. I watched as 2 new voters went through the process here yesterday.

If you don't have a legal residence, but still live in NH there is a provision for you. There was a rep. from AFSC who spoke a a local homeless shelter, and offered to assist anyone who wanted to exercise their right to vote regardless of their lack of an 'address'. Here in NH you can't simply walk in give a name and be given a ballot without verification that you meet eligibility requirements. (age, citizenship, residency). Even though you can still register on the day of the vote.

:hi:

[Didereaux]

8. Obamas on-line supporters continue to be one of his larger deficits!

[stillcool]

13. move beyond Obama...

enter the realm of voting results which can not be relied upon to be accurate. It would be very easy to fix this. But rather that attempt to do this, people would prefer to accept unacceptable results until the time it is their candidate who is on the losing end. This will not end until election results can be verified.

[Bitwit1234]

9. Your summation is correct

I have not once heard any comments from Obama as to what his plans are to CHANGE.....he gives speeches about inspiration and other stuff but nothing substantial. And of course the constant bashing of Hillary..If Edwards becomes the candidate because I think he is going to pick up a lot of the southern vote, watch the doodle boppers switch from Hillary to Edwards. It is one thing to have a WHOLE PLAN OF CHANGE of what America needs, what you are going to do, how you are going to do it, than standing on a stage jumping up and down like a rock star.

[hertopos]

10. You missed my point.

It is all about exit poll.

Beyond that, there is no real reasonable ground to suspect fraud.
By the way, I also have PH.D. in Math.
In addition, I have MBA.
I am originally from Japan and I married to an American.
For me, candidate personal charm is the least important.
If some candidate actually made me cry by his or her speech, I would actually check his or her policy more thoroughly.

If you really care about your candidate, please focus on producing more detailed Plan.

I do like what Edwards promote. Well, if you think about elect-ability, he is the one who really has a problem. He is the one even moderate Republicans are scared of. I work along many republicans. I am too old to go for just 'all or nothing' approach. There is too many problems that requires some improvement within very short time span. I want someone who knows how to get things done even the solution may not be the most desirable.

In reality, what you doubt is not something financially plausible.
We already know even KR could not fix 2006 election.

I really want to know what Obama plans to do in details. In fact, I am looking forward to checking in next debate. So far, I only checked the summary of previous debate.

One more thing.
I am also concerned about viral effect of 'Obama phenomena'. Because of Internet,
there is a tremendous potential for short period surge of certain meme. It is very dangerous to assume that Obama's appeal is something strongly grounded. He won the first impression game like a cool new kid on a block.

Please put your energy back to real issues. I think both Obama and Clinton can win with this huge turn out. I can change to support Obama. I just feel more comfortable with Hillary because I can reflect myself with much smaller scale.

53year old working mother,

Hertopos

[Johonny]

12. No they cried sexism