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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:43 AM Original message |
Does anyone truly believe this isn't just a sick joke? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. Geez, it's the second state with 48 more to go and Hillary only winning one so far... |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The issue is NOT Hillary winning |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Exactly. Wave to President Huckabee. n/t |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. So, basically it doesn't matter what the results are, you won't accept the election as fair? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. To quote a DUer, what reason do we have to have confidence |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Not with an 18 point swing in one day I won't. NT. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. So, it was election fraud because Edwards didn't win? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. No, because the result makes no sense in context. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. This was a freaking primary...and there are 48 more to go.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM Original message |
This was an election on the same system we will use in the GE. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
49. I don't get the need to spout off about it over the dem side in a primary... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Because there was no anomaly on the Republican side. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Okay, ten dollars of my bank account :) |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. We'll know more tomorrow. If she won, more power to her. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I really don't think any repuke has a snowball's chance... |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
70. 'it will still be hackable when they try to steal it for Huckabee or Romney.' |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Yes. I'm listening to the talking heads right now, something I never do. |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I have an escalating sense of foreboding... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. That's probably a healthy response to knowing our elections |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
71. Two things |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
84. The operant concept here is fraud! |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
92. Thank you. I think further investigation is needed- there are too many questions |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I couldn't sleep at all. |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. No, not at all. And that completely misses my point, WHICH YOU KNOW |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. So it was election fraud to help a Dem in a primary... |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Puhleassee........ |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
69. No, it was election fraud for two reasons |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
79. Naaah--it was election fraud because Clinton won! The Hillary haters are out in force... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Were you questioning Iowa? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Iowa was a completely different process. No Diebold machines there. n/t |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. I feel the same way. This is no small thing. If election fraud happened, why vote? |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. No one claimed election fraud in 2006 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Actually, they did. Vote shaving likely cost us a real working majority. |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. A lot of people claimed election fraud in 2006 |
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RuleOfNah (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. "If election fraud happened, why vote?" |
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sjdnb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. Can you read my lips ... not all polls are accurate |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Most polls WERE accurate in this election... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. That They Were Right Except Where They Were Wrong, Sir |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Smokescreen. Misses the point. nt. |
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sjdnb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. It says DO NOT FOLLOW POLLS/HYPE/CELEBRITIES ... follow your conscience |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Polls became curiously unstable this century. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
78. It says that young people got lazy and stayed home. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
87. look at the five day aggregate tracking polls |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
89. And what evidence do you have for this claim? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Can you read mine: secret vote counting on hackable machines. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Wanted Someone Else To Win, Did You, Sir? |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Completely misses my point. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. You Have To Make A Point, Sir, For It Top Be Missed |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Bullshit. NT |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. That, Sir, has At Least the Virtue Of Concision |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. i think he said he was for edwards--so between clinton & obama |
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Faux pas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
17. The fix is already in. We've all been spinning our wheels |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
19. Not fraud ... but MSNBC posed an icky hypothesis |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Predictable. Highly predictable BS from MSNBC. NT. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. BS from the media |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
53. Do you remember all the fictions they came up with to explain |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. Do you think NH voters read the newspapers about the tussle with Iran and got nervous |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. So they vote for the candidate most likely to cause war? NT. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
25. If Rove is backing Hillary and she has her hands on the voting |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. What kind of Dem? Nt. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. A Bill Clinton Dem? nt |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I guess I could handle that, if we get universal health insurance, and... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. This is not likely Clinton. The Republicans have been rigging |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Well, I don't think Hillary rigged it either. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Your theory is that the repugs are cheating for Hillary so they can |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. One of many possible scenarios. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I would have to say that risking exposure in the Dem primaries is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. But remember these criminals are overreachers. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Sure. But, I'm more concerned that there CAN be manipulation |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If They Do End Up Running Against Sen. Clinton, Ma'am, They Will Very Much Regret It |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Oh, I agree. She's a formidable person. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That Will Not Happen, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Years of vigilance will indeed bring about exactly such a condition. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Be Careful Out There.... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. No, Halliburton will have a Dem in the white house. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
36. Either we believe in rigged elections or we don't |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. 18 point swing. You don't get suspicious??? NT. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. The net is lit up with it. You might want to go check |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
66. I'm past suspicious |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Isn't Denver retooling, though,donheld? |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:03 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The entire state. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
47. Hillary finally found her voice |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
73. touche |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
76. It's suspicious, there is NO doubt about it. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. Regarding Hillary : if fraud can be commited FOR you, it may also be used AGAINST you. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
80. Why did the Obamites notice this problem only after they got beat? |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It wasn't a problem until then! |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. In caucuses they count bodies in public. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. You're kidding right? Some people have been working on this |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
83. Oh, sure. A massive turnout for that EXCITING candidate, Hillary Clinton... |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
85. One thing I will admit... |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
86. I have said this in a couple threads already but |
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RuleOfNah (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Showing up to vote in large numbers scares the regime? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
90. Sour grapes? |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. makes a terrible whine. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. No. What would you prefer - to have people watching the primaries |
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