I honestly don't think I'll see a woman President in my lifetime.

[trumad]

I'm 50--- so I've got about 10 more elections in me if I'm lucky. I thought Hillary had the best chance but the fact that she's a Clinton and too entrenched in the village is what I think will do her in.

Or maybe it's the gender thing. I can't tell you how many people I've met that are hung up on the fact that she's a woman. You would think that out of the two minority groups, African Americans would have the roughest go of it if they ran for President. After all---it wasn't to long ago where Rosa Parks was telling the bus driver to go F himself.

I know it shouldn't be about race or gender--- but damn it, I would love to see a qualified minority get the chance to lead this country..... they can't do much worse?

[lvx35]

1. I try not to think about it...But I would love to see it too.

I owe it to each candidate not to consider their race or gender in my decision. But it would be cool to see any minority, or a woman to have a chance to lead after 250 years of white guys. I won't vote on that basis, but it would be cool.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. If Hillary doesn't win ..

I think it will be a long time before we see another woman run.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. seconded.

[cynatnite]

5. I agree n/t

[papau]

10. I agree - Hillay's loss will mean next 7elections will be male only - 32 more years of male only

[aquart]

3. Women are NOT a minority.

We're a discriminated against MAJORITY.

[Xenotime]

7. Very True.

[OzarkDem]

12. Agree, we're just treated like one

[ronnykmarshall]

16. Amen .... or

A-person!

I can't believe we are still having to fight for equal pay for women.

[XOKCowboy]

23. There ya go bitchin' again...

Just kidding but *ducking*...

It only took 50 years after the Lincoln freed the slaves for ya to get the vote. It's a sad fact that in our great country, discrimination against women is institutional. The Fundies (note Huckabee's recent claim that women should "subjugate" themselves to their husbands) aren't doing much to help either.

[Ian David]

6. We'll have to get REAL lucky to have just this ONE election...

Bush: "My message today to the Iranians is they shouldn't have done what they did"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2631069

[EFerrari]

8. My mom who is in her seventies feels the same way.

She filled my ear today with a plan to inject money and people into the Clinton campaign.

I'm screwn because I adore my mom and I don't adore Clinton.

But, I sure can see why Rosa would like to see a woman in the Oval Office in her lifetime.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Listen to your mother young lady!

Listen to her!

She changed your diapers and worried about you all the time.


Listen to her!!


:silly:

Hey, SFEXPAT ya can't say I didn't try??

[EFerrari]

18. You are a magnificent tryer.

:hug:

[Brother_1969]

9. I'm more optimistic

It makes A LOT more sense to put a woman forward as the Democratic nominee than it does to nominate a black man. The past several elections could have been different had the women's vote been a little more in favor of the Democratic candidate. The women's vote is more "gettable" in that they will respond to a woman in a general election.

A black candidate, on the other hand, does not influence a similar demographic. We have almost all of the black vote no matter who we put forward so not that many more are influenced to vote for a black candidate.

I also sense that, in this country, many more people are likely to not vote for a black man because of race than would vote against a woman because of sex.

For these reasons, another woman candidate will come forward at the next good opportunity.

[papau]

14. boy do I disagree - the youth and middle age vote going to Obama is a "feel good voting for a black

man" vote - you hear it the "mam in the street" and "focus group" comments

You never hear men saying that about a female candidate - and many women are taught by their mothers to view female leaders in business or politics as "Who the hell does she think she is - doesn't know her place - I prefer a male boss" - indeed I heard those lines in business right up to my end of year retirement last year (all of a week ago - in my old area the new boss is a female - I'm male. You never hear a black voter saying "I'll never vote for a black candidate because I prefer whites - the way you DO HEAR women speak of female candidates).

Nope - many more people are likely to not vote for a woman because of her sex than would not vote for a black man because of race.

[never_get_over_it]

20. I posted this the other day

in response to someone saying a black man will be elected long before any woman

I agree totally and I'll tell you why.

Do you know who the first US woman in space was?

Do you know who the first US Black man in space was?

Well I'll tell you in June 1983 Sally Ride was the first US woman astronaut in space and the media made the biggest effing deal or it.

About two months later Guion S. Bluford, Jr. (and I had to look up his name - I did not have to look up Sally Ride's name) was the first black in space - and there was a small mention of it not even CLOSE to the big deal they made over Sally Ride - and at that moment as I watched that man walk to the shuttle - I said to myself it doesn't matter what color it is it as long as you have one

and 24 years later I still remember that moment of realization....and given some of the sexist shit that has gone on at DU since the Saturday debate, doesn't look like much has changed....

saying all that I think there are several other dynamics that play into both the Clinton and Obama candidacies and therefore I don't think either one can win.....

[papau]

30. Christa McAuliffe on the Challenger is known but an MIT friend-black -Ron McNair

Mission Specialist, also died in the '86 Challenger disaster - and except for a tall black actor in a TV challenger movie playing my short in height friend, there was no mention of his name. I still miss him - indeed I've not had a watermelon seed spitting contest since his death (he was a weird as myself :-) ).

Lt. Col Michael P. Anderson, a nice black fellow that I did not know, died in the Columbia disaster.

As for the "first" - Major Robert H. Lawrence, Jr. was the first African-American astronaut, assigned on June 6, 1967, who flew aboard space shuttle Atlantis as it docked with the Russian space station "Mir" - but that was not first in space.

So you are sorta correct in that Colonel Guion "Guy" Bluford, Junior became an astronaut in 1979, flying in four flights between 1983 and 1992. His 1983 flight as a member of the crew of the space shuttle Challenger on mission STS-8 made him the "first African American in space" - although the first person of African ancestry in space was the Cuban cosmonaut Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez.

In any case I agree with your point - blacks do not get the PR that "first woman" gets - but I suggest that is because first women is the bigger break though.

I also agree that it is obvious that the media is setting this up as a plausible win for the GOP - I hope Obama will be as tough as Hillary has shown herself to be

I really do not want to think about a GOP win.

[DURHAM D]

11. Did you read today's oped in the NY Times by Gloria Steinem?

Its been posted a couple of times.

Note: It probably won't make you feel any better about our prospects.

[marions ghost]

13. here's the link "Women Are Never Front-Runners"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2627262

I thought she made some good points.

[XOKCowboy]

15. If Barbara Boxer was running I'd be sending her money weekly

There are a lot of extremely qualified women I'd vote for. I just can't get behind Hillary (unless she's the nominee) because of her corporate ties, her "status quo" image and her Iraq and more recently her Iran vote.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. I'm gonna have to sending her money.

I think she's going to have a hard time in 2010 if Arnie runs against her.

[XOKCowboy]

21. Is that the CW?

That Ahhnuld is going to run for her seat?

She's a treasure. We've got to keep her no matter what it takes.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Sounds like it.

I hope that she cleans his clock and he can go back to making shitty movies.

[XOKCowboy]

26. LOL

Ya me too. If Harrison Ford can still be Indiana Jones surely there's a market for another Terminator movie!

[Bright Eyes]

22. Cynthia McKinney would get my vote if she was running.

Senator Clinton is too "status quo" for me.

[Brother_1969]

28. She is running for president now

http://www.runcynthiarun.org/

[LeftishBrit]

24. Well, Margaret Thatcher predicted in 1972 that no woman would be PM of the UK in her lifetime!

I wish our first woman PM had been someone else; but that's another matter!

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Some thoughts I shared with my mom today.

Mom LOVES Hillary and there are times when we talk about her I actually get choked up.

We were talking about "the video" of Hillary from the other day. My mom said "oh god forbid she shows emotion. I knew as soon as I saw that the fucking media was going to go ape shit over this." (Mom has a mouth on her like I do) "So NOW she's gonna be see as weak and when that god-damn monkey (Bush) sheds a crocodile tear they piss all over themselves."

I went on to tell her some of the reaction here about it how I've been told that "anyone that votes for Clinton should be ashamed of themselves" .... this was an exact quote from a few months ago. THAT set her off. "ASHAMED?? If anyone should be ASHAMED is the people that voted for that cock sucker that's in office now! THOSE are the people that should be ashamed for voting for that piece of shit two times!" Now if you guys EVER wonder where I get my spunk and MOUTH from, it's my mom!

THEN, she brings me to tears. She then said (choking up herself) "I can see it in her (Hillary's)eyes that she REALLY cares about people and wants to do what's right".

That's my momma. She cracks me up and brings me to tears.

I think this might sum up how strongly I feel about this election and getting Hillary elected.

[dembotoz]

29. I REFUSE to believe Hillary is the only possible women's candidate

Other candidates will emerge.

AND 50 IS NOT OLD!!!!!!!!!!!