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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:43 PM Original message |
Thimerosal does not cause autism - study |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't know if it causes autism |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Thimerosol is out of everything but injectable flu vaccine |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Not entirely true. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. That chart is useless to laymen |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. The CDC has help for laymen. |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Dr. House said it best... |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
69. So I still can't get flu shots |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Don't have them inject the flu vaccine into your eyes. |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Smartass |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. First, it doesn't go into your veins |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. this is what always confuses me |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. "Mercury containing vaccines may help, not harm, according to two new studies" |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Glad that's cleared up |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. What, don't you believe a press release? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Not the Geier study! |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, but was it a rational study? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. it won't be time to find another bogeyman |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
102. exactamundo - they'll continue to believe it, no matter what. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. if no one else is gonna do it, i might as well |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Good, now they can keep going to figure out what is causing it.. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. precisely. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
11. And the cervical cancer vaccine does not make your vagina burst into flames, either. n/t |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Oh, the possibilities... it just boggles the mind! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. No, it just hurts at the injection site |
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rainy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. What about the Amish study where they do not get vaccines and have |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Robert Kennedy Jr is an excellent lawyer and campaigner, but he is not a medical scientist. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. he also has a built in bias |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. The Amish also do not drive SUVs. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. or wear polyblend fabrics |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Also, there's a strong genetic component to autism. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. What about all other environmental factors? |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
71. And probably don't get sonograms, either |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
86. It's likely to be genetic |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. Sorry, that's not what the study indicates. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. "Other studies 'suggest' that mercury plays a role in autism for some." |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. I know you've been taught not to 'like' various studies. But, I doubt you're actually interested in |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I've been taught not to 'like' various studies because I have been taught the scientific method. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh, you've been "taught?" |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'm suggesting that you are not qualified to judge every study done that proves there is a legit |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. First off, the studies prove nothing. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Oh of course not. Just because we're injecting neurotoxins into our children |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Stop shifting the goalposts. Stay on topic. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. So, according to you - mercury in vaccines has not triggered autism in one vulnerable child? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. "Gotcha!"? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The consensus is "we don't really know" |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Huh? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. No, you don't understand that there are a multitude of studies that show different results, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. As I've been asking since the beginning of this discussion: Show me. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. You show me where it's proven that mercury is no longer a neurotoxin if it's in a vaccine. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Show me. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Much of the research certainly has been published both here and abroad. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Sorry - I only clicked the link you provided. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Nope. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I asked you, since you are more familiar with the research than I am... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. My point of view is that mercury is a known neurotoxin. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. As I've said before... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Nope, not in the least bit enlightening. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Hardly damning. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. First of all, it WAS published, and the study was funded in part by the the US deptartment of HHS. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
91. nothing to do with "magic" |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Ah, yes the tired, lazy |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
90. so what |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. Any idea what mercury laden fish does to the brain? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
89. can you link to a credible study |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #89 |
103. When you show me the 'credible' studies that indicate that it's safe to inject mercury into infants, |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. This proves absolutely nothing. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. you can't convince them |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. Do you have any idea how incredibly toxic mercury is? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The dose makes the poison. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. What dose makes mercury poisonous? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Good god. And now you're linking to NVIC. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Oh my, you've apparently been "taught" to shoot the messenger as well? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. As NVIC is a messenger worth shooting. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Actually they are not. The organization was founded by a parent who had her child vaccinated. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. No, you have to show me how a known neurotoxin spares the brains of infant children. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Ah. I see. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. No you misunderstand the 'burden of proof' and who that falls upon. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Well, that information is out there. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. No it's not Varkam. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Phase I and Phase II FDA Trials... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I've said there are contradicting studies. However, there are still no comparisons |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. It would not be ethical... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. That's not what I suggest. There are plenty of children who are not vaccinated |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. The only problem I can see with that... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
99. You don't suggest that |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. No. I'm asking for your thoughts on the studies I posted. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #106 |
120. I've given you my thoughts. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. thanks Varkam, nice to see some actually meta-analyses being cited! |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. I do what I can. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
92. glutamate |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. glutamate |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. I believe the poster is referring to the term "neurotoxin" eom |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Seems you are the one who used that word in post 90. Odd. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. NVIC is a group of parents who whole-heartedly ACCEPTED vaccines until their healthy child |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. And IMMEDIATELY after means 3-5 years? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Death is a serious side effect. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
93. what evidence |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
112. Show me. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. and it was, therefore, a perfectly reasonable hypothesis |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Of course, the problem is... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. yes, but you are also being unfair in a way |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
61. I agree that there can be a strong motivation. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
116. this covers both sides of the argument |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. Its LD-50 is less than say |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. And, wack jobs who defend injecting neurotoxins into infants as long as a drug company |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Just keep you mumps infected |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Mumps was rather common not so long ago. I know several people who've had it. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
115. Countries with universal health care would have a financial motivation NOT to spend money on |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Mercury is not the issue with the MMR vaccine. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
94. and wack jobs |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. and wack jobs |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. I like that refrain you've got - "injecting mercury into infants" |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. That's what we do Varkam, |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Actually you mean the LD 50 is "greater than". With LD 50 smaller is MORE toxic. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
46. California is one of only 16 states to have autism-related insurance laws. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
105. How many studies will it take? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. It is never enough. |
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