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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:54 PM
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Democrats in NH "running out of ballots"
That is what is being reported on some websites. Citing "epic" turnouts.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:55 PM
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1. Good and Bad
Get those people some damned ballots!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:56 PM
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3. I don't like to site Drudge - still
Secretary of State is making runs to Seacoast – Hampton, Portsmouth – and Southern Hillsborough – Pelham, Nashua – to bring extra democratic ballots. Many towns are reporting shortages...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Fantastic!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:56 PM
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2. See, see - this wouldn't happen if they had electronic voting
:evilgrin:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:08 PM
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12. I agree - legitimacy in elections is overrated...
it's all about getting results as quick as you can
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MxF4y9tSG08
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:57 PM
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4. When they try to steal it in November, REMEMBER this.
:kick:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:57 PM
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5. Is Obama shipping college students in again?
Its good to have high turnout, if its sincerely Dems or I's who want change. But I doubt thats entirely the case.

I have a very strong suspicion when the dust is settled, we'll find some fraud and ballot box stuffing going on here.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:59 PM
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6. You think students should be disenfranchised?
When someone lives in a place nine or 12 months out of the year then they have a right to vote there.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:07 PM
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11. No, what I am saying
is that doing so in Iowa, with his home state next door, may have given him a disproportionate advantage. Clever move, but not one that can be sustained from state to state.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:30 PM
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17. And Edwards benefits in South Carolina
and Hillary benefits from New Hampshire being near New York. There's nothing unfair about it. There aren't enough Illinois students going to school in Iowa to win by 7% points.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:21 PM
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14. No they need to vote where they actually live
If they live in Ill and pay out of state tuition in Iowa, their state of residence is Illinois, not Iowa and they should not be allowed to vote in Iowa. I voted absentee in college. Other out of state students need to do the same. Anything else should be illegal because what is to stop those students from voting twice? Once in their college state and once in their home state.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:27 PM
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15. If they live in Iowa most of the time while they go to school there
then that's where they should vote. That IS where they actually live.
I did too many Get out The Vote drives in college where I saw asshole election judges and county clerks do every little thing they could to disenfranchise students because they thought students didn't have a right to vote at their college address. I saw too many students turned away and denied their voting rights with all the extra barriers and problems local election officials put in the way because they didn't want those meddling kids interfering with local elections even though local government effects the lives of students too. Anyone with that attitude can go fuck themselves.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:43 PM
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18. Wish I could Recommend your post...
thanks.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:45 PM
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19. Agree that they should only vote once,
but the state of New Hampshire only requires that one has a 'domicile' to qualify to vote:

CHAPTER 654

VOTERS AND CHECKLISTS

Eligibility

654:1 Voter; Office Holder.


I. Every inhabitant of the state, having a single domicile for voting purposes, being a citizen of the United States, of the age provided for in Article 11 of Part First of the Constitution of New Hampshire, shall have a right at any meeting or election, to vote in the town, ward, or unincorporated place in which he or she is domiciled. An inhabitant's domicile for voting purposes is that one place where a person, more than any other place, has established a physical presence and manifests an intent to maintain a single continuous presence for domestic, social, and civil purposes relevant to participating in democratic self-government. A person has the right to change domicile at any time, however a mere intention to change domicile in the future does not, of itself, terminate an established domicile before the person actually moves. A person's claim of domicile for voting purposes shall not be conclusive of the person's residence for any other legal purpose.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/rsa654.htm

The "more than any other place" part would likely qualify most college students.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:59 PM
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8. Nice "swiftboating"
and I'm an Edwards supporter.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:12 PM
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13. Wow...you can ship college students in...
from other states? Or..is it where the students are going to college? ...Maybe we need to repeal some of these voting rights.

1790 Only white male adult property-owners have the right to vote.

1810 Last religious prerequisite for voting is eliminated.

1850 Property ownership and tax requirements eliminated by 1850. Almost all adult white males could vote.
1855 Connecticut adopts the nation's first literacy test for voting. Massachusetts follows suit in 1857. The tests were implemented to discriminate against Irish-Catholic immigrants.

1870 The 15th Amendment is passed. It gives former slaves the right to vote and protects the voting rights of adult male citizens of any race.

1889 Florida adopts a poll tax. Ten other southern states will implement poll taxes.

1890 Mississippi adopts a literacy test to keep African Americans from voting. Numerous other states—not just in the south—also establish literacy tests. However, the tests also exclude many whites from voting. To get around this, states add grandfather clauses that allow those who could vote before 1870, or their descendants, to vote regardless of literacy or tax qualifications.

1913 The 17th Amendment calls for members of the U.S. Senate to be elected directly by the people instead of State Legislatures.

1915 Oklahoma was the last state to append a grandfather clause to its literacy requirement (1910). In Guinn v. United States the Supreme Court rules that the clause is in conflict with the 15th Amendment, thereby outlawing literacy tests for federal elections.

1920 The 19th Amendment guarantees women's suffrage.

1924 Indian Citizenship Act grants all Native Americans the rights of citizenship, including the right to vote in federal elections.

1944 The Supreme Court outlaws "white primaries" in Smith v. Allwright (Texas). In Texas, and other states, primaries were conducted by private associations, which, by definion, could exclude whomever they chose. The Court declares the nomination process to be a public process bound by the terms of 15th Amendment.

1957 The first law to implement the 15th amendment, the Civil Rights Act, is passed. The Act set up the Civil Rights Commission—among its duties is to investigate voter discrimination.

1960 In Gomillion v. Lightfoot (Alabama) the Court outlaws "gerrymandering."

1961 The 23rd Amendment allows voters of the District of Columbia to participate in presidential elections.

1964 The 24th Amendment bans the poll tax as a requirement for voting in federal elections.

1965 Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., mounts a voter registration drive in Selma, Alabama, to draw national attention to African-American voting rights.

1965 The Voting Rights Act protects the rights of minority voters and eliminates voting barriers such as the literacy test. The Act is expanded and renewed in 1970, 1975, and 1982.

1966 The Supreme Court, in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, eliminates the poll tax as a qualification for voting in any election. A poll tax was still in use in Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia.

1966 The Court upholds the Voting Rights Act in South Carolina v. Katzenbach.

1970 Literacy requirements are banned for five years by the 1970 renewal of the Voting Rights Act. At the time, eighteen states still have a literacy requirement in place. In Oregon v. Mitchell, the Court upholds the ban on literacy tests, which is made permanent in 1975. Judge Hugo Black, writing the court's opinion, cited the "long history of the discriminatory use of literacy tests to disenfranchise voters on account of their race" as the reason for their decision.

1971 The 26th amendment sets the minimum voting age at 18.

1972 In Dunn v. Blumstein, the Supreme Court declares that lengthy residence requirements for voting in state and local elections is unconstitutional and suggests that 30 days is an ample period.
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dnbmathguy Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:59 PM
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7. Just got back from voting in Nashua
As of about 12:15, there were about 1400 people who already voted in my ward in Nashua - I'd imagine mostly for Democrats.

This is going to be a huge turnout.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:29 PM
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16. Oh man - must have been exciting!
I think we're witnessing a sea change! On dry land.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:59 PM
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9. Its true. The NH Sec of Elections has reported that some polling locations
are worried about running out of ballots.. Democratic Ballots. This is good news, as long as they get them there!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:03 PM
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10. This is great news
A large turnout always helps the Democrats and shows that people are interested in their government.
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