The ignorance of the 29 percenters.

[Ishoutandscream2]

I have to tell you, the majority of these 29 percenters are probably in my community. I work with them, and generally have to spend a lot of time with them. I don't hate them; I can't do that. They are people who have generally been kind to me and my family. It's their politics that are out of whack, and they in turn just label me one of those "radical Democrats."

Anyway, almost all of them came up to me last Friday and yesterday commenting on the Iowa caucus. Just about all them had a shit-eating grin as they remarked joyfully, "Well, whadjya think about Hillary?"

Now mind you, these people hate Hillary to the core. But they can't exactly tell you why. I always ask, "Okay, you hate Hillary. Can you give me an intelligent, thought out reason why you hate her?" More often then not, they are unable to give me a rational answer. It's always, "Well, she's a bitch," or "I just don't like her," or "She's a socialist." Nothing substantive.

So, back to their joyful glee at the Iowa caucus. They seem to thinkthat many of us on the left are all Hillary supporters. I told each and everyone of them that I was not supporting her, and that Edwards was my man. However, I did tell them how proud I was of Iowa choosing a man of color and that I hadn't been this proud to be an American in over 7 years. Shock comes over their faces. They feel like Clinton's loss was a slap in all our faces. I simply tell them that if Clinton is the nominee, then I will support her. I also add that my dislike of Hillary is not irrational like theirs and its based on my dislike of her positions. That seems to almost floor them. And, of course, I end with what a bunch of clowns their party is throwing out there, and I leave them with that.

Imagine that - all Democrats must be for Senator Clinton. Gotta put these would be Freepers in their place with a little dose of reality.

[Mountainman]

1. Most of their opinions come from wing nut radio. Not very much truth there.

What gets me is how they really believe what they hear from the nut jobs on Faux and people like Rush, Hanity and Savage. Almost daily there is a LTTE in our paper with some wing nut quoting another wing nut as proof of some thing about liberals or Democrats.

They exist in their own little bubble.

[yardwork]

2. It's interesting, because here on DU, anyone criticizing another candidate

is automatically assumed to be a "Hillary supporter." And, oddly enough, those making that accusation are often fairly conservative in their other views.

So, there seems to be anecdotal evidence that the right-wing has made Hillary some kind of bogey-woman. In their blindness and stupidity, they assume that all progressives must be "Hill-bots" and they look forward to her defeat.

Meanwhile, their party's got nothing.

[bigscott]

3. I can hate them

and i DO hate them. THEY are the reason we are in this mess. THEY and others like them put * in the WH in 2000 and kept him there in 2004.

THAT is why i cannot support a candidate who pushes bipartisan ism. Why accommodate these liars, thieves, war-mongers and treasonous assholes?

If you believe in change then we need to destroy every one of the policies put in place by this administration and bring true CHANGE to this wonderful country. Health care for all (NOT just the right to purchase insurance), equal rights for all, special rights for none, a progressive taxation system, the church out of our government and the government out of my bedroom.

I know hate is a non-productive emotion, but I hate the people who did this to our country. I don't want to work with them - i want them out of the process altogether

[OffWithTheirHeads]

4. I hate them

They are responsible for too much misery not to hate them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. I hate them, each and everyone of them! And for all the reasons you have stated and more.

[LibDemAlways]

5. I worked briefly with a couple of wingnut morons a few

years ago. One day it happened to be a bit colder than usual. Idiot #1 loudly proclaims, "And the Democrats say there's global warming. Have they been outside?" Idiot #2 goes into laughing fits.

The willful ignorance and stupidity of these people is almost beyond belief. Think of how much of an idiot you'd have to be to vote for Bush over Gore or Kerry and then consider that millions did. It's downright frightening.

[raccoon]

6. People like that are just stupid. They regard the Republican candidate/pResident, and the

Democratic one, the way many people regard "their" football team, and the rival team.

I believe if Stalin or Hitler were President, they'd continue to back him because he was "their" man.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[AndyTiedye]

7. You Can Fool Some of the People All of the Time

Those people are called Republicans.

[warren pease]

9. That number correlates roughly with the estimated percentage of fundies in our midst...

I've seen a lot of data that puts the fundie population at between 25 and 30 percent overall, with significant regional variations. So if you're in a group of 10 people at the store or bank or ..., statistically, three of them will be religiously insane. Comforting, eh?

According to Copernicus Marketing, "Liberals expanded from 18 percent of the population in 1972 to 29 percent in 2002, while fundamentalists grew from 27 percent in 1972 to 30 percent in 2002."

And it gets worse. A 2006 study conducted at the University of Michigan found that over the past 20 years:

* The percentage of U.S. adults who accept evolution declined from 45 to 40 percent.
* The percentage overtly rejecting evolution declined from 48 to 39 percent, however.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/vote.html">This article says there were about 70 million of them in 2005, or about 23 percent.

And worst of all, http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v17n2/evangelical-demographics.html">this study suggests there may be as many as 45 percent of them running amok out there: "Depending on how the question is asked, some 25-45 percent of the population report that they see themselves as either Born-Again Christians, or, in the broadest sense of the word, Christian Evangelicals.


Another example of the rapid and probably irreversible devolution of Dumbfuckistan.

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