It wasn't the tears that were vomit inducing. It was her words.

[HamdenRice]

"I see what's happening. And we have to reverse it."

So, at long last, you "see what's happening"? Pray tell, what's happening in specifics. We've been ranting and railing about the trashing of the Constitution, this horrific war, NSA spying, kidnapping -- and you have never once even been able to call Bush a liar outright. Now that your "inevitable" presidency is about to be rejected, you're finally hinting that you "see what's happening" to this country?

"You know, I have so many opportunities from this country. I just don't want to see us fall backwards. You know? So..."

Now wait a minute. Isn't having a "Clinton restoration" going backwards? Isn't establishing a permanent Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton revolving presidency a guarantee that we will always be going backwards? Isn't inviting the Republicans to re-fight the Clinton wars the very epitome of "falling backwards"? Just how is an Obama or an Edwards presidency "falling backwards" compared to trying to replay the 90s? What are you trying to imply?

“It’s about our country, it’s about our kids’ futures.”

Huh?!? It's not about our kids' future in the sense of your kids and our kids. Your kid, in classic Clinton connection mode, has parlayed her name into employment at a hedge fund. No matter what happens to this country, she'll be fine, even if it means having to buy a ranch in Paraguay next to the Bushes with her newly "earned" millions. It is about "our" kids of the middle and working classes, and whether they will have health insurance, be able to afford to go to college, get jobs or have to compete with wages of workers in India and China, or have to fight and die in Iraq (or Iran!). It is definitely not about "our (yours and my)" kids.

I don't know whether the choking up was genuine or not. But her words were the same old same old.

[Birthmark]

1. What tears would those be?

[kentuck]

2. I didn't see any tears..

Sounds like yellow journalism?

[Birthmark]

16. Yellow journalism?

In America? Directed at a Clinton? Impossible! lol

[rodeodance]

19. beyond yellow--it is trash journalism

[crikkett]

26. I saw no tears.

[Marrah_G]

3. I liked her words- alot and there were no tears

I guess it's all in how one is looking at it. If you already hate her then anything she says is going to be "wrong".

[MedleyMisty]

4. See guys?

You can actually criticize her without bashing half of the species.

Good on you, HamdenRice.

[LostinVA]

8. He still kinda did: she didn't cry

[TheWraith]

49. She herself later described it as crying.

And contrary to some people's opinion, taking issue with the Clinton campaign in anything but the most general and vague of ways is not "bashing half the species."

[Saturday]

5. There were no tears. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

7. You're right. Just a little fake sobbing.

NGU.

[LostinVA]

9. Also no fake sobbing

[EFerrari]

61. My DU NY resolution was not to post to HRC threads.

I lasted about three days. :dunce:

/and I can't type, either. :dunce:

[ClassWarrior]

63. Naughty, naughty...

B-)

Do you mean HRC threads?

NGU.

[EFerrari]

70. Oops. I can't go there on line or off line because Mom is a huge

Hillaryista. She's so disappointed right now. I have no idea what we're going to talk about for the next year or so. lol

[maddiejoan]

6. These are all the same words she's been saying for months

so she gets caught on camera getting choked up while delivering elements of her stump speech.

so what?

FWIW -- I agree with her. You don't have to.

But your OP is garbage.

[ClassWarrior]

10. Well, "it's personal" was JE's words from the previous night's debate.

NGU.

[maddiejoan]

14. Big deal

JE own the phrase "It's personal to me"?

Further --JE regularly chokes up, with watery eyes and claims how "personal" it is to him.

[ClassWarrior]

18. You're the one who said...

..."These are all the same words she's been saying for months." :shrug:

If Sen. Clinton got choked up "regularly," it wouldn't be such a big deal in my eyes. But her timing seems real convenient...

NGU.

[maddiejoan]

20. yeah

how odd that a candidate would be exhausted at this point in a campaign.

[Yael]

38. Insurance against the scorched earth policy that was kicked off minutes after it

[WinkyDink]

69. Yes, but it didn't help Hillary, because her rep is to be all things to all people.

[maddiejoan]

72. you are assuming

that she did it as a ploy --I am not.

[earth mom]

77. You need to take off your rose colored glasses and see Hillary for who she really is.

Hillary is a DINO DLCer who only cares about preserving the status quo where the corporations control this country and all of us.

Now that's what I call GARBAGE!

We've had 7 years of the Constitution being shredded and trashed by *, Cheney, Hillary and her buddies and yet you think it's more important to worry whether people are being sexist toward her?!

:wtf:

Sorry, but there are more important things to worry about! This country needs a helluva lot of fixing due to the criminals in office.

And fixing it is NOT what Hillary & her cronies will EVER do. They like it this way because it serves to make them richer and richer, now doesn't it?!

You need to wake up and realize that the rest of us peons can just go to fucking hell as far as those evil rat bastards like Hillary and her ilk are concerned.


Wake up-Hillary is LYING to you!!!

[maddiejoan]

91. wake up yourself

If you think Bush and Clinton are the same --the media has been lying to YOU

[demnan]

11. It was the most repulsive display

from a candidate on our side that I have ever witnessed.

[road2000]

55. No,

that would be anything that ever assaulted our senses from the forked tongue of Joe Lieberman. I do stipulate that you included the phrase, "on our side," however.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. i thought the words were moving and genuine. it was the most touching moment of her campaign

[ClassWarrior]

13. Then moments later she did a Cheney** and said...

...voting for another candidate will provoke a terrorist attack.

:puke:

NGU.

[rodeodance]

21. i think you have put words into her mouth.

[ClassWarrior]

25. “I don’t think it was by accident..."

"...that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister,” she said. “They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do... Let’s not forget you’re hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down.”

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/clinton_heighte.html

NGU.

[fishwax]

58. I thought she was saying that any candidate would face a terrorist attack

But it's still the politics of fear ...

[ClassWarrior]

64. That's a fair interpretation. But you're right, it's the politics of fear, nonetheless.

NGU.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. what exactly did she say? cos i saw the coverage of it yesterday evening

adn dont remember her saying "if you vote for obama al quade will attack us"

[ClassWarrior]

27. Do you really think she'd be stupid enough to say that?

No, for the direct quote, see post #25.

NGU.

[terisan]

15. uh have you seen Obama's list of big money contributors? Get real here.

Obama came into the Senate in 2004. In 2006 we had the new democratic majority. Yet Obama. who claims to be against the war, voted in 2007 to fund the war. Yet he only talks about being opposed to the war. So the "Kids" who have died in Iraq recently did so with Obama, along with many other reps, funding their Iraq tours of duty.

Forked tongue syndrome.

Obama collects more money from Goldman Sachs of Wall Street than Clinton does, even though Wall Street is her constituency. Edwards trails way behind in the Goldman Sachs dollars.

[HamdenRice]

17. Campaign contributions are different from "jobs for relatives"

A friend of mine once decided to leave the private sector to work in NYC politics. After a year or so he quit, disgusted. I asked him what was wrong with NYC politics. He said all it was about was "jobs for friends."

Our system is broken and politicians have to raise money. I'm sure that of all the candidates, Edwards is the most likely to try to change the system of private campaign financing, and I believe Obama will try also. I don't believe Hillary would even try.

But campaign finance is not what I was referring to. Raising campaign money is different from actually employing someone's daughter at a hedge fund. That's pretty damned near Cheney-esque bribery.

[terisan]

28. Excuse me but individuals, even candidate's relatives have a right to work. Are you suggesting that

Chelsea Clinton is not qualified for her job?

or that Obama's massive contributions from financial institutions don not influence his stands?

[HamdenRice]

30. I doubt Chelsea was highly qualified for the job

Hedge funds, unlike ordinary investment banks and investment funds, use extremely complicated mathematical formulas and computer programs to make almost identically opposite bets (hedges) to take advantage of tiny market imperfections. Generally, to work in the actual money management (as opposed to PR) side of a hedge fund you need an advanced degree in mathematics, statistics or computer science, or an MBA from a business school that teaches advanced Black-Sholes modeling.

Chelsea's background is in history and international relations, not math, computer science or business. The hedge fund that hired her is a big contributor to the elder Clintons.

Obama has raised a lot of small donations as well as corporate money. Of course campaign contributions influence politicians, but not as much as giving millions to a politician's daughter.

[terisan]

57. Obama has raised a fortune in special interest money.

What is your basis for the "giving millions to a politician's daughter" statement. Where are your facts?

She is a National Merit scholarship Finalist, has a degree from Stanford, and a Master's from Oxford. She worked at another high powered consulting firm first.

Hedge funds and other money-related businesses, such as banking, don't just hire mathematicians. Often their highest paid employees are drumming up business. Chelsea Clinton probably has a boatload of contacts from her White House days. If you did would you use them or decide to bake pizzas instead?

I don't care if she lives in a cave and prays, bakes cookies, teaches school, becomes a physician or nurse, or works for a hedge fund. More power to her, especially in view of the crap that was thrown at her while an adolescent in the White House.

[HamdenRice]

59. I don't think you understand hedge funds

She was barely qualified to work at McKinsey. She was their youngest hire and one of the few at that level without an MBA.

The idea of her being qualified to work for a hedge fund is preposterous. Do you really think that if she had exactly the same qualifications, but was the daughter of a dentist and school teacher from Cleveland, she'd be a hedge fund professional?

A company giving campaign contributions is one thing; in the politician's mind, they are offset to some extent by contributions from the many small contributors, endorsements by unions, union staffed get out the vote drives, contributions by competing businesses and business sectors and so on. A company paying a politician's daughter millions for a job she isn't qualified for is another thing entirely. It isn't right when Republicans do it. It isn't right when Democrats do it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. Her contacts from her White House days?

When she was "...an adolescent in the White House."?

That's even more of a stretch than Hillary's 'experience'.

Come back to reality.

[terisan]

78. It is true. She traveled with Clintons,met world leaders, participated in Peace Talks on Middle East

Many many international businesses would jump at the chance to hire a National Merit finalist who graduated from Stanford and got a masters at Oxford and had experience working for a financial firm in NYC.

Her contacts are valuable, her education is first rate, and her intelligence is verified.

She could probably have made big bucks just giving speeches.

Look what Giuliani has made in speeches, or any president since Reagan who left the white House, flew to Japan and got a million for a speech dissing American workers.

I have a young cousin who makes over $250 000 with just a NYC high school diploma. He is a broker for a second or third tier wall Street firm.

What do you think they would offer Chelsea Clinton to appear in ads for them?

[HamdenRice]

80. So you agree?

She is trading on the Clinton name? That she would not be employed this way if her name was Green and her parents were a dentist and school teacher from Cleveland?

[terisan]

85. She is making use of the network she has. Do you use your network? Do you consider it

trading on your reationships?

As I pointed out she had credentials many businesses would jump at.

Should an actor, let's say like Carrie Fisher, change her name, deny being the daughter of Eddie fisher and Debbie Reynolds, hide her life experience and then set out on auditions?

[HamdenRice]

86. Debbie Reynolds was an actress. Hillary wants to be president.

These are different things. It would not be corruption for Debbie Reynolds to be influenced by the employment of Carrie Fisher.

But if Hillary as a public official is influenced by the fact that her daughter was given a hedge fund manager's income with little qualifications -- that's pretty different.

[terisan]

88. Do you want to pass a law that says adult children of candidates may not work for any business that

might influence the candidate should she/he become president?- or do you want to such individuals to give up reject employment offers on their own?

It would seem to me that would be unfairly penalizing individuals who work especially since we allow direct money contributions in large amounts to all candidates.

[HamdenRice]

92. It's already illegal

Remember the Republican scandals of the last several years? So yes, it is and should be illegal to influence a politician by hiring his or her family members.

[RaleighNCDUer]

83. A fifteen year old girl participated in middle-east peace talks?

You ARE delusional.

[terisan]

84. Read the press reports criticizing her parents for it at the time it occured. nt

[truebrit71]

23. Not just that, but in the NEXT sentence she attacked the other candidates...this was a ploy...

...and nothing more...A cynical, disgusting ploy...

[terisan]

41. She spoke her mind. Her reasoning. She didn't offer Dr. Feelgood Pap.

I saw this same bull tossed at Howard Dean. Unfortunately he succumbed to it and we lost his strong voice in that campaign.

My analysis is her record and Obama's are similar, their contributors are similar and if some voters can't win on issues, they throw mud.

I take what a candidate says at face value, then I check the record. I trust, then I verify.

Clinton has been more upfront about her stands, her votes, and her plans.

Obama has been promoting himself as antiwar while voting pro Iraq War, He has misrepresented social security as being in crisis due to too many retirees when he has to know that the money workers have put in has been taken out of social security to fund tax cuts for wealthy. Republicans and apparently Obama don't want to replace those tax cuts for wealthy. Instead they want to increase the social security tax cap on wage earners (which hits the middle class wage earners in high expense cities and gives them no increased benefits)----and let the weathy get off scott free.

I contacted the Obama campaign on this and guess what? ......no answer.

Clinton, to her credit, is not willing to do Wall Street's bidding on this issue and has said so-which may be one reason she is getting less of that Goldman Sachs money.

Edwards of couse is way behind in collecting from Wall Street.

[greyl]

24. There weren't any tears. "Hillary In New Letter To Bush: Stop Lying, Mr. President"

...
We've just obtained a copy of a new letter that Hillary's mailing out to Bush, a kind of preemptive strike ahead of his big Iraq speech tomorrow.

The short version of Hillary's letter: Stop lying.

...

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/_hillary_in_new_letter_to_bush_stop_lying_mr_president.php

And, on the Democrat's strategy of avoiding ad hominems:

To Bash, Or Not To Bash Bush?

...

Former Vice President Al Gore poked at Bush, but without the harshness and anger he has displayed in recent speeches. After reminding the delegates they had to make certain that every vote would be counted in the next election (not that such a reminder was necessary) and running through a series of self-deprecating jokes (he called America "a land of opportunity, where every little boy and girl has a chance to grow up and win the popular vote"), he did note "the way the war has been managed by the administration has gotten us into very serious trouble." And he criticized Bush for "confusing al Qaeda with Iraq." But in his menschy speech, there was no name-calling, no rough stuff. He left the stage without reprising the line he used at the 1992 convention (and which was swiped by Dick Cheney at the 2000 Republican convention): "It is time for them to go."

But then came Jimmy Carter and the Clintons, and it became evident that the Democratic strategy is not to eschew Bush-bashing. Instead, the Democrats are engaging in Bush-bashing without the Bush. That is, they are going after the deeds and the decisions, not the man.

Carter showed how this could be done. He never referred to Bush directly. But he remarked that Kerry "showed up when assigned to duty." Nod, nod, wink, wink. Carter talked about the need for a president who "would not mislead us" and maintained that electing Kerry would "restore the judgment and maturity to our government that is sorely lacking today." He pushed this theme hard: "Truth is the foundation of our global leadership, but our credibility has been shattered and we are left increasingly isolated and vulnerable in a hostile world. Without truth--without trust--America cannot flourish." The crowd cheered when the former president declared, "A cowardly attack on innocent civilians brought us an unprecedented level of cooperation and understanding around the world. But in just 34 months, we have watched with deep concern as all this goodwill has been squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations." Another crowd-pleaser was Carter's observation that "in the world at large we cannot lead if our leaders mislead." He never directly called Bush a liar. But he politely presented a rather sharp indictment of the unnamed president.
...
www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=1621

If it makes you feel better, Thank you Hillary for calling Petraeus a liar!

Now, back to your false claim about Hillary's tears...

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. Love you all, but, could we all please move on?

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. After 35 years of change, only now do you see the problem?

I'd cry too.

[karlrschneider]

32. Yeah, I almost forgot those miserable, awful Klintoon years...

:eyes:

[terisan]

44. The Clinton balanced budget and surplus were sheer hell-so glad Bush spent it all and even more!

[HamdenRice]

54. Remind me again. Was Hillary president then?

Or was she the wife of the president? If I recall correctly, the president was some guy named Bill.

:sarcasm:

I suppose by analogy, Isabelle Peron was thereby qualified to be president of Argentina.

[terisan]

71. Christina Fernandez de Kirchner seems to be well qualified as head of Argentina. No?

[HamdenRice]

73. That's the point. Do we want to "rise" to the level of Argentina?

I personally don't aspire for the US to "rise" to the level of Argentina, even though Mrs. Kirchner was probably a good choice for them under the circumstances.

Hillary isn't.

[terisan]

74. Yes Argentina no longer tortures and murders as a policy. nt

[HamdenRice]

75. You got me!

:rofl:

Good one!

[RaleighNCDUer]

87. Looking at Wikipedia, I'd say she has considerably more experience

than Hillary.

"Kirchner started her political career in the Peronist Youth movement of the Justicialist Party in the 1970s. During the period of authoritarian rule in the country she and Néstor dropped out of politics and practised law in Río Gallegos. She picked up politics again in the late 1980s, and was elected to the Santa Cruz provincial legislature of in 1989, a position to which she was re-elected in 1993.

In 1995 she was elected to represent Santa Cruz in the Senate, and in 1997 in the Chamber of Deputies. In 2001 she won again a seat in the Senate."

Two elections to the provincial legislature. Senate. Chamber of Deputies. Senate, again.

5 electoral campaigns prior to running for president, encompassing 17 years of elected office.

Hillary, 2 campaigns, 7 years.

Kirchner leaves Hillary in the dust.

[Bake]

33. Have you forgotten the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton?

Wow. Thank God that nightmare is over. I'd HATE to go back to that.

Bake

[ClassWarrior]

35. Wow, when did Bill Clinton get in the race??

NGU.

[HamdenRice]

39. Yeah, what does she mean about "experience"

Does she mean Bill's experience? Does she mean her disastrous health care initiative?

Or is Bill running?

[Bake]

43. You can't have it both ways.

You can't, with any intellectual honesty, bitch about a "Clinton restoration" - which you literally did in the OP - without recognizing the good things that happened under the previous Clinton administration.

But you're trying awfully hard to do exactly that - have it both ways. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I do try to insist on logical and intellectual honesty.

Bake

[HamdenRice]

51. Uhh ... yes I can

There were good things and bad things about the Clinton years. But it would be an unmitigated disaster for our political system to revolve the presidency between two families for thirty or forty years.

The Clintons need to retire and take up other hobbies. The Bushes need to be hauled off to prison.

[Mme. Defarge]

47. One could argue

that Nancy Reagan actually has more executive experience than Hillary, since she probably was running the country during most of her husband's presidency.

[HamdenRice]

60. I'll give Hillary one thing

She didn't use an astrologer!

[JTFrog]

40. Have you forgotten welfare reform...

NAFTA, Iraq sanctions, and don't forget pulling out the huge blankie to cover poppy's arse, leaving the door wide open for the dim son.

Not everyone lived in little pink houses with white picket fences during or after those 8 years of "peace and prosperity".

[Bake]

48. No I haven't forgotten those.

I do recall that Clinton had an opposition Congress to deal with for most of his Presidency. And I do recall a stronger economy, a stronger dollar, almost 4,000 American soldiers who WEREN'T dead.

Was the Big Dog perfect? Hardly. Was he a good President? Damn right he was.

If you think Obama represents anything other than the same old same old, disguised under a smooth veneer and an empty suit, you're kidding yourself.

Bake

[hiphopnation]

56. not to mention the dramatic increase in incarceration rates

with a growth in disparity between black males and their white counterparts in those numbers -- basically an entrenchment of the "prison as low-income-housing" phenomenon

yeah, those were the salad days :eyes:

[terisan]

46. Yes a hideous nightmare much more satisfying to suffer.

[moc]

34. Yes!! Exactly!! It was her words that made my skin crawl.

I felt like screaming at the TV: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!!!

[HamdenRice]

37. As you said "I felt like screaming at the TV: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!!!"

I also hate it when she talks about "our children"! "Our children" are not in anything like the same situation, given the Clinton's propensity for trading on their name. That's what Hillary's entire candidacy is based on.

[Yael]

36. Your words fall on deaf ears as people debate the definition of "tears"

But not all. I hear you loud and clear and couldn't agree with you more.

She took a page out of Edward's playbook, nay, SHE REPEATED HIS EXACT WORDS, and pretended it was all her own, coming from "deep within her soul" or whatever.

"Its personal, not political"

Phony, phony, phony.

[Mme. Defarge]

42. Here's what I posted yesterday on another thread ...

I first heard this interview on the radio tonight, and I didn't recognize her voice -- wondered who was talking, then realized it was Hillary.

Later, when I saw it on TV, it occurred to me that she had actually been crying quite a lot before the interview. Why? Exhaustion, frustration, profound disappointment, even, perhaps, anger.

But the comments about how personal it was ... that struck me as totally calculated. Edwards scored points in the debate on this one, and, like the "change" meme that everyone is now parroting, Hillary shamelessly wasted no time in appropriating this winning soundbite.

[HamdenRice]

45. The "tears" probably are genuine

What is actually kind of tragic about the whole situation, is that after months and months of her "inevitable" presidency, people are basically saying they don't like her.

In the end, we are all that little kid in the school yard hoping the other kids will like us. I sensed a profound feeling there was a bit of that in her demeanor -- that she was once again feeling, despite all her "hard work," she's the woman that people find it difficult to like, the wife whose husband isn't attracted enough physically to stay loyal, that kid in the schoolyard.

I think the sadness was genuine, but she added phoney, calculated words -- like when a kid is crying but lying about why he is crying.

It was kind of tragic.

[RaleighNCDUer]

65. Curious. I had much the same reaction.

But I'm not about to vote for her because I feel sorry for her.

[sinkingfeeling]

50. Bitter much?

[HamdenRice]

53. Why would I be bitter? Obama and Edwards are about to end her candidacy

I'm extremely pleased. I look forward to very enlightening, high minded, optimistic, change oriented, Obama-Edwards debates from tomorrow until the convention!

[desi]

97. Why do I get the feeling that you may be a Tasini backer

who still can not "get over it?" I'll tell you what is "vomit inducing." Some of the nasty, hateful rhetoric and outright lies and innuendo against one of OUR DEMOCRATIC nominees that has become commonplace in a supposed forum for ALL DEMOCRATS, that is what is "vomit inducing." Some rail about the "M$M" and its agenda against all things Liberal yet have no trouble repeating and spreading their bullshit far and wide.

[robbedvoter]

52. It's threads like these that are vomit inducing

[WinkyDink]

66. As I noted elsewhere: She lost me with her (plagiarized), "It's very personal for me."

[goodgd_yall]

90. Plagiarized?

Wow, like it's such a unique expression. Does someone have it copyrighted?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. I'm Quite Proud Of Her, And Think She's Handling Herself Great.

If she gets the nomination, I'd proudly stand behind her, as much as I would Obama or Edwards.

[dflprincess]

68. It was the "falling backward" line that got me

between NAFTA and welfare "reform" Bill's administration did a lot to help people "fall backward" and Hillary didn't seem to worry about it then.

[earth mom]

76. Great Rant! If Hillary cared so damn much why has she not done a damn thing to stop * & Cheney

these long 7 years?!

Hillary's tears were ALL about her feeling sorry for herself. Not about her caring for our kids, the constitution, the war or anything that doesn't serve her and her cronies!

That people around here defend her at all, is just jaw dropping to me because it's like they haven't been paying attention one iota these past 7 years! :wtf:

[mod mom]

79. On Stephanie Miller a caller asked why she can shed tears for her situation but not the soldiers

she helped send to their deaths with her votes or why hasn't she shed tears for the loss of civil rights over her vote on the patriot act.

[HamdenRice]

82. Oh snap!

That's some harsh shit! But true.

[trekbiker]

81. her emotion was genuine... genuinely selfish

after all she's been thru she "deserves" to be president. Too watch it all slip away after everything she's withstood over the last 15 years has got to hurt. Barak stole her lollypop and its just not fair. Boo fucking HOO...!

no more Bush's !!

NO MORE CLINTON's !!!!!

[goodgd_yall]

89. Oh stop with the Clinton/Bush dynasty crap

It's laughable.

And what's this about Chelsea?

I don't know if you're supporting Obama, but, you know, his kids go to private school. Their lives are going to be pretty cushy.

[HamdenRice]

93. No, I won't stop with the dynasty "crap". It's terrible for our political culture.

It gave us George W. Bush. There are more than two families in this country capable of producing presidents.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton instills in people the idea, especially young people, that we are a banana republic.

If Hillary is elected and serves two terms, then everyone in the country under the age of 28 will have lived in a country that had either a Bush or Clinton as president. Considering most people only become sentient about politics at about age 10, then everyone 38 and under will only have been aware of either a Bush or Clinton as president. Worse, every voter 46 and under -- more than half the population -- will only have had the opportunity to vote for a Bush or a Clinton. You would have to be middle aged, 47 or over, to ever have voted for any president other than a Bush or Clinton.

Once that happens, it will be almost impossible for voters to conceive of any other family as president, which means Presdident George P. Bush (2017-2025), and then President Chelsea Clinton (2025-2033).

:puke:

[ronnykmarshall]

94. .....

[sendero]

95. Exactly..

.... HRC did plenty to CREATE the mess we are in. She has a lot of gall to act like the is the solution when she is the problem.

[CyberPieHole]

96. What a bunch of whiny crybabies...jeesh...you should read your posts...

How about admitting that she was more successful at getting her message across.

[Vinca]

98. I did not believe Hillary's "tears" for a moment.

According to her, she's been working 35 years making "change" (word of the day). So why don't we have healthcare? Why do we have $3.20 a gallon gasoline? Why are we stuck in Iraq? Agents of change don't follow like sheep. This is all very disappointing because I honestly don't believe she can win the general election. We're going to end up with another 'puke and a continuation of the war machine.

[HamdenRice]

99. Damn the icebergs! Full speed ahead to the general election, captain Hillary! nt