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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:08 AM
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No one is saying it, But EDWARDS is Hillary's Kryptonite... NOT OBAMA
While Obama is grabbing most of the headlines, and the MSM focuses on what is wrong with Clinton's campaign, Edwards has been working around the clock, relentlessly for the past 3 months, and it is paying off in rising support.

WHile the Obama v. Clinton meme of the MSM has been hammered home for over a year, it won't be Obama who does Hillary in.

If Hillary falls, it will be a result of Edwards giving her the push. Edwards pushed her into 3rd place in Iowa after being outspent by millions. And Edwards is moving up in New Hampshire.

If Edwards places 2nd in New Hampshire, relegating Hillary to 3rd again, Hillary will be severely wounded with Nevada and S.C. coming up.

So while Obama can defeat Hillary and push her into 2nd place, it is Edwards who is best able to do real damage to Hillary at this point by pushing her into 3rd place.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 AM
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1. Edwards has moved up in NH?
Would it were so.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:36 PM
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11. Yes. And moved up nationally.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:37 AM
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2. DING DING DING! Blackhatjack, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:01 AM by rocknation
If Edwards places 2nd in New Hampshire...again...Hillary will be severely wounded...

Right. Since November, I've said that in order for Hillary to cement the nomination, she would have to win early, and more important, by a demoralizing margin (at least five points). Anything less would give Obama and Edwards the audacity of hope. But Hillary not only finished second, she lost by EIGHT points--and most important, she didn't do any better than Edwards!

Two New Hampshire towns were allowed to open their polls at midnight today because of their two-digit populations. The Dem tallies are Obama 16, Clinton 3, Edwards 3. Sound familiar? And if Edwards' "problem" is that he's too progressive, what can Hillary use an an excuse?

:headbang:
rocknation
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:22 PM
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6. Tell Us What He's Won!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:32 PM
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14. And that's not all!


You're welcome...

:headbang:
rocknation
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 AM
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3. Can He Also Give Her a Timeout in the Phantom Zone with General Zod?
I couldn't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zod">resist.



- Dave
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:47 AM
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4. There are reports that Democratic local pols in places like Missouri ...
have their fingers crossed for an Edwards nomination, which they think would be much better than either HRC or Obama for them on the ticket.

I'm not convinced, and this recent stuff about Edwards and the "crying"/noncrying thing is yet another example. I think Obama will outclass the Reps in debates in a way and to a degree that Edwards failed to do with Cheney

It's a personal judgement and not hard data like demographics etc.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:51 PM
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5. Missouri Bellwether Phenom...
... it's powerful, and it's accurate.

- Dave
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:25 PM
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7. All polls I read say the contrary. Barack can win the south and can win substantiallly......
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 01:29 PM by cooolandrew
...The right have been obsessed by Hillary for years to see her overtaken so decisively in Iowa only gained more admiration for Barack last week by the right.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:27 PM
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8. Seems it's about equal.
The poll I saw yesterday showed Clinton down 12 pts, Obama up 6, Edwards up 5.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:28 PM
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9. The question is whether he can kick her out of the race soon enough to oppose Obama
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:34 PM
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10. Yup.
We are looking around thinking....maybe America IS ready.....

Well... northern Democrats certainly are ready to vote for Obama,
but let's not believe our own hype here!

I like Edwards OR Obama.

I still think the jury is out on whether indies and disgruntled
pukes will vote for Obama. I think Edwards could have a crack
at them, where Obama and certainly Hillary, would not.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:04 PM
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12. You have to remember that the polling dynamics will change as soon as Hillary is no longer viable...
Hillary's large lead was always predicated on both Obama and Edwards staying in the race as viable candidates, splitting the 60% that opposed Hillary.

However.... once Hillary becomes non-viable, those numbers change dramatically.

Remember, the Hillary supporters will gravitate to either Obama or Edwards. Some will stick with Hillary to try and gain concessions at the convention, but the most will 'swing' before then to either Edwards or Obama.

And so far there has been almost nothing negative reported about Obama, an unvetted candidate. If some negative information does come to light AFTER Hillary is no longer viable, you have to wonder if the voters will weigh the electability of Obama v. Edwards.

RIght now Obama is the show.... but if Edwards ends up the sole rival, things will change..... and in that situation Edwards has a very good shot at the nomination.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:20 PM
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13. Succinct...
... and spot on the money.

- Dave
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:35 PM
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15. Aside of his second place pushing Hillary down,
he was the one presenting clear differences with her on Iraq (she will allow combat missions) and on corporatism since the first debate. I think those are major points for a lot of people.

If the Fairness Doctrine still existed, there's no telling where he would be now.
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