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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 AM Original message |
Was Stalin a Leftist or Friendly Fascism |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's not leftist nature to pigeonhole; that a right wing pastime nt |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Mao and Stalin used "the people" merely as a mantle to project their fascist tendancies |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I guess you have to define fascism |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Yeah, I guess our definitions of fascism differ somewhat in that regard |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The trouble is that if you remove the ideological trappings |
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BridgeTheGap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely. What they have in common, is that they are Statists |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Such terminology has changed a great deal over decades |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. Stalin had syphilis and it ate up his brain.he was bat shit crazy.. the term 'Left' can be used to |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. the right means simply those opposed to the left? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. ...a faction, party,or other political group whose policies are conservative or "reactionary".>> |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. What is Shock Doctrine? A book, article or website? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. >Link>> it is the definitive history of what the Reich thinks works so well, as you put it, but... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I'll have to look into this - but it seems like a broad brush |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. the problem is layered, the leadership is totalitarian, the base is the 24% lemming* plus /a link>> |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
9. fascism and communism have a lot in common |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I Always Thought That Communism Lead To Fascism. Not Actually One Of The Same |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. They both end up their when the country is run by a dictator or an oligarchy. |
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Steepler0t (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. huh? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. I was thinking of Stalin and Hitler |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. communism is what the Iroquois nation had, total cooperation for the greater good, it was under a |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. You should be more clear and indicate that you are talking about |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. True, they are very different. I should have clarified. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. fascism is: a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. The business leadership is the same as a centralized committee |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. Stalin was an old-style oriental despot. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So you think the urge to despot exists independent of political leanings? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. No, I'm saying wannabe despots will fake whatever political leanings are expedient. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The political test which shows the spectrum as a compass |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. That's all very well, but the relevant axis is authoritarian-democratic. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Agreed. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. they are organically mentally/perceptually "deficient".. >Link>> |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
20. We have friendly fascism here in the u.s right now, |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. lot of the 'Old Timey" kind too.. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. It is true that right wing idjits... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. Hitler was an idealogue. Stalin was an opportunist. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. What about Mao? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Mao, IMO, was Lord Acton's axiom in action. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. he was also insane from syphilis in his later years. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. It's become a habit of right-wingers to paint their opponents with the worst... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
26. A Socialist of the Thermidore phase. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. No. Fascism is right-wing totalitarianism. Stalin was a totalitarian communist. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. see #31 |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. . |
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brazos121200 (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Stalin and Mao were on the far left of the spectrum, Hitler was a centrist as far as political |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-08-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
41. Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Hitler were the same... |
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