As a Fellow INTJ, I Felt Enormous Compassion for Hillary Today

[CorpGovActivist]

I don't think she faked it. I really don't.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=corpgovactivist+intj&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&as_rights=&safe=images">INTJs may appear to be cold, heartless, and unfeeling.

I still disagree strongly with her on many policy issues; however, I have to give her the benefit of the doubt today.

- Dave

[kurth]

1. I believe it was genuine, and it was about the process and the bigger picture

Having said that, she should not be the Democratic nominee for November.

[CorpGovActivist]

4. She Solidified My Vote...

... for her to remain in the Senate.

- Dave

[Deja Q]

2. As an INTP, I believe Hillary's full of it.

She has to get a previous president to shill for her. And guppy gadzooks, that also happens to be her hubby.

She trips up during debates, cries (it seems more than "coddled, spoilt, entitlement complex" Gen-Y folk will cry when they don't get their way), even resorts to racism under her egocentric nose. As she said, "Is America ready for a black president?")

There is so much more than needs to be said; most of it I've said in other threads. She's not worth our time. As a candidate, she's a flounder. She's a career politician. Aren't people tired of career politicians and other opportunists? Damned if I know...

[CorpGovActivist]

3. I Still Won't Support Her in the Primaries...

... but I suspended my disbelief today and gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Was it cry on cue? Was it crocodile tears? Maybe, and maybe I got snookered.

But I didn't buy it hook, line, and sinker. It'll take more than waterworks to bring me around, and I don't see her making the policy changes necessary.

- Dave

[Texas_Kat]

35. As an INTP as well, you obviously don't know what you're talking about

[AlCzervik]

5. what the hell is an injt?

[theredpen]

9. INTJs are geniuses and should be exempt from shit

That's all you need to know.

[Duer 157099]

39. True dat

as an INTJ, I strongly concur

[CorpGovActivist]

50. Far More Fun...

... to learn the rules inside-out-backwards-upside-down-forwards, and then hold the gavel.

- Dave

[annabanana]

10. Here: enjoy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Type

[AlCzervik]

12. thanks.

[theredpen]

13. Another worthwhile writeup

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html

[AlCzervik]

16. i guess i'm just not that into myself.

[theredpen]

18. That's too bad. I'll bet you're pretty cool.

[AlCzervik]

20. i guess i missed the Myers brigg boat.

[CorpGovActivist]

32. It Can Not Only...

... help you become more self-aware, but it can also help you figure out how to better relate to other personality types. It's a win-win.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

31. Here Ya Go...

... see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intj">Google results, especially the http://typelogic.com/intj.html">TypeLogic page.

- Dave

[Hutzpa]

92. Figure it out....

you're smart Chimp.

[annabanana]

6. My INFJ self agrees with you.. . n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

33. Do You Agree...

... with your list of people?

http://www.typelogic.com/infj.html

- Dave

[annabanana]

49. Garry Trudeau , yes. . . Mel Gibson.. not so much. . lol. . . . . .n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

52. "When INFJs Go Bad"...LOL n/t

[treestar]

54. Mine too!

INF

Js are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden. They often are found in the wake of an emergency, rescuing those who are in acute distress. INFJs may fantasize about getting revenge on those who victimize the defenseless. The concept of 'poetic justice' is appealing to the INFJ.

This is me, all right!

[Jennifer C]

72. I'm an INFJ

and that description is definitely me too.

[theredpen]

7. As another INTJ...

I know that INTJs can be enormously cynical and manipulative — some of them are proud of it (Karl Rove).

Also, although we are uniquely insightful and skilled a problem solving, we are at our absolute worst when we make emotionally-based decisions. Usually, this is an indication that our subconscious has assumed command — no bueno. We can become monomaniacal about things which engage us, but when our intensity turns into emotional attachment, it's usually time for a reality check.

When I found out that Hillary is an INTJ (supposedly), I found her display of emotion to be disturbing.

[CorpGovActivist]

34. That Can Go to Either Pole...

... it's either a sign of hitting the core of the magma of the deeply-guarded passions ...


... OR


... it's as you say, a very bad sign.

- Dave

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. as a human being i felt bad for her

[spooked]

11. As an INFP I feel for her

but I'm still voting for Edwards!

(also a Kucinich fan)

[Emit]

19. Lol,

beat me to it.

[CorpGovActivist]

36. Woo Hoo! Edwards!

Do you agree with your list of people?

http://www.typelogic.com/infp.html

- Dave

[spooked]

48. Yes, I think so...

What do you think Edwards' type is? what is yours?

[CorpGovActivist]

55. Edwards...

... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...

I vs. E = I think he's a very slight introvert, maybe even a very slight extrovert.

N vs. S = I think he's a medium N.

T vs. F = I think he's a medium T.

J vs. P = I think he's a very slight J, maybe a slight P.

So either an I/ENTJ, or an I/ENTP.

I have very little doubt that he's an NT - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rationals+nt">Rational - at his core.

I'm an http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html">INTJ, but once came up as an XNTJ. My I is very slight.

- Dave

[Tatiana]

14. She's conflicted and it's taking its toll on her.

I firmly believe that some really radical, progressive ideas rest inside the brain of Hillary Rodham Clinton. However, for political reasons and due to those she has become beholden to, we get this woman who doesn't feel being herself will win her elections. And there is some reasoning to that school of thought. She won a Senate seat following the same strategy she currently has. When she stepped out of the box on the issue of health care years ago, she learned a lesson.

[CorpGovActivist]

37. "she learned a lesson"

The right one, do you think?

- Dave

[Tatiana]

40. The WRONG one, unfortunately.

When she stuck her neck out and went against the establishment, there was no one there to stand with her and back her up. Lesson: if you can't beat the establishment, join them. On the other hand, candidates like Obama and Edwards have experienced success while bucking the established norms, so in some ways, it is easier for them to go against the establishment.

[CorpGovActivist]

44. Do You Do This...

... for a living?

Spot on!

- Dave

[Tatiana]

47. HA! I'm an amateur.

But I've seen up close Obama's rise from Hyde Park Chicago and it has been a fascinating thing to behold. I also note the rise in Edwards popularity once he admitted (against the advice of those over-paid MessageMakers) that he was wrong for his IWR vote. Edwards admits a mistake and he gains supporters. But how do you think folks would react to Hillary making a similar statement? She probably thinks she'd be crucified on all sides (which she likely would).

Let's not kid ourselves; there would be no FMLA without Hillary's influence on Bill. The husband is the more conservative Clinton; she is more progressive on social policy. Unfortunately, her beliefs may not necessarily dictate the way she governs. That's the big question mark. I don't think she can win this thing unless the real Hillary Clinton stands up. Miraculously, the people seems be sick of being governed by the center-to-far right.

[CorpGovActivist]

56. Phew!

"But I've seen up close Obama's rise from Hyde Park Chicago and it has been a fascinating thing to behold. I also note the rise in Edwards popularity once he admitted (against the advice of those over-paid MessageMakers) that he was wrong for his IWR vote. Edwards admits a mistake and he gains supporters. But how do you think folks would react to Hillary making a similar statement? She probably thinks she'd be crucified on all sides (which she likely would)."

Too little, too late?

"Let's not kid ourselves; there would be no FMLA without Hillary's influence on Bill."

Well, I have benefited from that, and give credit where credit is due.

"Unfortunately, her beliefs may not necessarily dictate the way she governs. That's the big question mark. I don't think she can win this thing unless the real Hillary Clinton stands up."

Are you advocating that she pull a Slim Shady?

; )

- Dave

[TheCentepedeShoes]

15. As another INTJ

what(ever)happend re Sen Clinton makes no difference to me one way or the other.

[CorpGovActivist]

66. What Matters Most?

What matters most to you, where the candidates are concerned?

- Dave

[TheCentepedeShoes]

70. How they would deal

with the Iraq occupation. I'd also like an investigation (a Real one not a whitewash) into all the "missing" money and materiel. That stuff has gone somewhere and I don't think all of it has wound up in the hands of some annoymous Mr Terriorist.

[CorpGovActivist]

71. Iraq-Contra?

When I was at Halliburton/KBR, they did a lot of work in nonproliferation in the FSU republics. I heard some stories about where the materiel ended up.

- Dave

[Emit]

17. As an ENFP, I feel for her. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

38. Mark Twain Was Supposedly an ENFP

http://www.typelogic.com/enfp.html

; )

- Dave

[tyedyeto]

21. INTJ? INFJ? INFP? WTF are all these acronyms? n/t

[KoKo]

23. It's disgusting...a mark of the Kewl Kids who like to speak in cyphers...

meh...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

45. Nah, it's a silly test that some employers make you take

In my case so they could look down their nose at me and inform me my personality only matches around 1% of the rest of the population.

At least they didn't yell freak and start grabbing torches and pitchforks. :P

[KoKo]

51. lol's....a good one... If OP had said Myers-Briggs...would have clued some in...

:D

[CorpGovActivist]

57. True That!

:rofl:

- Dave

[spooked]

24. here's a link

http://www.personalitypathways.com/type_inventory.html

[CorpGovActivist]

42. Here's Another Link

http://www.typelogic.com/

- Dave

[Swamp Rat]

22. She must be exhausted

[CorpGovActivist]

43. Time for Senior Staff...

... to step in and force some down time?

- Dave

[DemGa]

25. This rare INFJ says...

my intuition never doubted the authenticity. I'll take that over any Hillary hater, any day.

[annabanana]

53. Two in the same thread?. Maybe not as rare as they say.. . . n/t

[golddigger]

26. I agree with you...

I'm a Edwards supporter, but the total hate I've seen the last few days for her here on DU has me thinking am at that freeper site.

[Patsy Stone]

27. As a fellow INTJ

I felt the sincerity too. :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

29. Oh, PATS!

I ADORE you!

:airkiss:

- Dave (but you can call me "Edina" or "Eddy")

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1276970_1,00.jpg

[Whisp]

28. I'm thinking about all the tears in Iraq....

Hillary owns a percentage of them so I'm not really that sympathic toward her hard lot in life.

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Good Reminder n/t

[LostInAnomie]

41. This INTJ ain't buying it.

It was too damn self serving and full of pre-scripted digs to be a genuine outpouring of emotion.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

46. Well, this INFP finally saw the clip and can now say I felt for her

I felt that she did lose control of her emotions and that it was neither intentional nor fake. It happens. It's natural especially when a person is tired.

However, I'm not supporting her for president just because she managed to evoke my empathy. Hell, even I'm not that easy of a sell.

[CorpGovActivist]

58. Hear, Hear! n/t

[Patsy Stone]

59. Did you ever see or hear

the great Richard Jeni (RIP) bit about the referee who just breaks down on national TV? It reminded me of that.

I didn't think it was fake, I certainly don't think it was planned. I knew exactly where she was coming from at that moment. Ten minutes later, I forgot all about it. Ten minutes later, I also had no idea where she was coming from anymore.

If you've never seen it, it's here. It starts about 3:10 in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpKAj6JN8A

[CorpGovActivist]

60. LOL...

... you are a total - well, you know what you are, PATS!

: )

- Dave

[Lone_Star_Dem]

61. Thanks for that clip!

I'd forgotten just how funny he was and it felt good to be reminded. :rofl:

You pegged it. Upon being seeing him do that bit again I too can see the similarities.

[Patsy Stone]

62. He was great

and I'm happy to have seen him a few times. Glad you enjoyed it. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the clip. :)

[IdesOfOctober]

63. I'm an IDES.

That is all.

Ides

[CorpGovActivist]

74. Seriously, Did You Ever Take the Test? n/t

[IdesOfOctober]

77. Yes.

[CorpGovActivist]

80. And?!?

[IdesOfOctober]

82. I aced it. 1600. Bowled the perfect game. Checkmate in 1 move.

[CorpGovActivist]

84. In Other Words, I Was Right!

:rofl:

- Dave

[ecstatic]

64. How can she be introverted and working in such a public sphere?

Are you sure it's not ENTJ?

[CorpGovActivist]

65. Introverts Don't Live in Caves...

... and many are quite social. It's less about reclusivity, and has more to do with http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=introvert+draw+energy">how one draws energy.

Thomas Jefferson, Woodrow Wilson, and JFK were all thought to have been INTJs, too. They did OK in the public sphere.

- Dave

[theredpen]

67. INXJ's are unusually good leaders compared to other introverts

INTJs and INFJs don't like to be out front, but they will step up to leadership roles when they see a vacuum they believe needs to be filled.

Hillary is stepping up because she believes she has a unique value proposition as our President. This speaks well of her, but she'd probably be more effective behind the scenes.

That said, she needs some help with P.R. — the original "Hillary Care" fiasco was a classic case of an INTJ being oblivious to public perception. She closed the meeting in order to limit extraneous input and be more efficient; this was a brilliant INTJ move, but a terrible public perception move. Had her committee's plans moved forward, we'd probably be a lot better off today, but the public didn't "get it" and focused on what they saw as disdain coming from an elitist. That, as I said, is a classic INTJ misstep.

[CorpGovActivist]

68. It Should Only Take One Hand on the Hot Stove...

... to learn that lesson.

; )

I like inclusivity.

"don't like to be out front, but they will step up to leadership roles when they see a vacuum they believe needs to be filled"

I resent (strike that: resemble) that remark.

:rofl:

- Dave

[marions ghost]

75. agreed

INTJs and INFJs tend to prefer directing things behind the scenes.

Hillary has had to work at being in a very prominent position. If it were not for the myriad forces propelling her into her current campaign, I seriously doubt she would have chosen it. I agree that INTJs may be seen as elitist when they really are not that at all. They are cool-headed leaders with a lot of perfectionism and practicality, but they also have vision and imagination.

So although Hillary has her issues, I don't buy that she is just another crass, cold, political opportunist. I do think she has the people's interests at heart despite the fact that she apparently underestimates what it will take to dislodge the entrenched and corrupt powers that be. She would be a good executive in a more functional democracy like Sweden or Finland or somewhere in Europe. I'm not sure she's the one to dig us out of the mess this country is in right now.

I'm an INFJ married to an INTJ. I've thought about this whole thing. :)

[IdesOfOctober]

76. Pffffffftttttt

"INTJs and INFJs tend to prefer directing things behind the scenes."

Yeah, maybe so. But let one get a bee in its bonnet, and watch what happens.

:popcorn:

"Hillary has had to work at being in a very prominent position. If it were not for the myriad forces propelling her into her current campaign, I seriously doubt she would have chosen it."

Well, I'd like to meet the maker of that bridle.

"I agree that INTJs may be seen as elitist when they really are not that at all."

They ask a lot of tough questions, and they don't understand why others don't as well.

"They are leaders with vision but also with a lot of perfectionism and practicality."

You said a mouthful.

"So although Hillary has her issues, I don't buy that she is a crass, cold political opportunist."

Oh, she's got a plan all right. INTJs always do.



Ides

[marions ghost]

81. OK

Your complaint would be that INTJ leaders are self-serving opportunists and inclined to go "full steam ahead in the wrong direction"? Do I have that right?

How come so down on INTJs? (and INFJs too, I guess)

So you don't Hillary's type, Ides? What is your preferred type for Captain of the Starship then? (And what are you?):)

[IdesOfOctober]

83. Not quite right.

"Your complaint would be that INTJ leaders are self-serving opportunists and inclined to go 'full steam ahead in the wrong direction'? Do I have that right?"

No, my very best friend in the whole wide and expanding universe is an INTJ.

"How come so down on INTJs? (and INFJs too, I guess)"

No, no. I like 'me fine.

"So you don't Hillary's type, Ides?"

She's not my type.

"What is your preferred type for Captain of the Starship then?"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=zaphod">Zaphod Beeblebrox, wearing http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peril+sensitive+sunglasses+guide">peril sensitive sunglasses.

B-)

"(And what are you?)"

I am an IDES.

Ides

[marions ghost]

85. OK so I misunderstood

pfffft seemed to set the tone.

I think I get what an IDES is like. :)

[IdesOfOctober]

86. Sometimes INTJs think too much.

Ides

[CorpGovActivist]

89. I'd Bet My Next Trip to Vegas...

... that - if he were to come clean - he's an http://www.typelogic.com/entp.html">ENTP.

I'll hedge that bet, and say maybe - MAYBE - he's an http://www.typelogic.com/enfp.html">ENFP.

After all these years, he still won't confirm though.

:eyes:

- Dave

[IdesOfOctober]

91. Have you ever considered the possibility of XXXX?

Think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwisatz_haderach">Kwisatz Haderach, with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midichlorian">midi-chlorian count that could give you migraines. Perfect balance. Zen. Levitated noodles.

Oooooooooo ... there aren't 4 to the 2nd power personality types, there, Einstein!

:rofl:

Ides

[CorpGovActivist]

95. OK...

... I will admit I laughed. I'll even admit that you might have one X. But not even you have four.

"Think Kwisatz Haderach, with a midi-chlorian count that could give you migraines."

Are you absolutely positive that cosmic vortex between your ears didn't open up a http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=wormhole&gbv=2">* that a http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&q=worm+dune">*** could wriggle through?

; )

- Dave

[marions ghost]

105. ENTPs ....bless 'em

ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport.

[CorpGovActivist]

107. But They Give Marvelous Hugs...

... when they "inadvertently hurt" those they are arguing with.

: )

- Dave

[IdesOfOctober]

114. IDES do too.

[candymarl]

69. I agree

She seems to be a very proud woman. I think she would feel somewhat mortified to breakdown even slightly in public. Perhaps that's why she seems cold and unfeeling at times. From what I've seen, when she's one-on-one with people, she comes across as quite warm. I've read bits, here and there, that even some Republicans were surprised how nice she is in person.

[CorpGovActivist]

73. It's Not Uncommon...

... for introverts to prefer smaller gatherings to larger ones.

- Dave

[Eurobabe]

78. As an INFP

Hillary scares me at times. :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

79. Yeah, I Agree, but ENTJs Frighten Me More n/t

[Arugula Latte]

87. Fake. Not fake. We'll never know, will with, when it comes to the Clintons. nt

[CorpGovActivist]

88. Maybe We'll Finally Get an Unvarnished Memoir...

... a la Gerald Ford.

- Dave

[IdesOfOctober]

90. No thanks. I'll take the Crypt Notes version.

[Hutzpa]

93. As a fellow INTJ...

I think she popped.

Kissing under pressure.

Still love her though!

;)

[CorpGovActivist]

94. Hail, and Well Met!

"I think she popped.

Kissing under pressure."

Funny you should say that word, because I've had some interesting conversations the past couple of days.

If a 527 or a candidate from either party runs a commercial set to Billy Joel's "http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1784829367">Pressure," I think it would resonate. One thing about Billy Joel: the http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pressure+lyrics+billy+joel">lyrics are understandable.

- Dave

[Hutzpa]

96. So do I, sure be looking

forward to seeing down the road to Nevada, SC, FL............

[CorpGovActivist]

97. The Ads Are Gonna Get Rough...

... and the proverbial fan may need a new motor.

- Dave

[Hutzpa]

98. Agreed,

walking on water, for now.

need a huge Hurricane type wind!


;)



Edit: to add later.

[CorpGovActivist]

99. "for now"

Bingo.

- Dave

[Hidden Stillness]

100. It is Alomst Always Harder to be an Introvert, Especially in This Corporate Society

Well, I don't know if I actually understand the terms as used by this system, but as a very mentally active introvert myself, I also feel a connection to this thing. I think her near-tears were real, and could easily have been caused by a kind of stress combined with a sense that it was all right to show a little emotion. I have long had a sense that Hillary Clinton was being forced by the same kinds of pressures that used to make Al Gore seem so wooden and emotionally flat--an instruction from outside (consultants, etc.), to hype up the expression, put it out there, and force "happy" contact with people. For an introvert, that can be horrible and painful. It has been mentioned on this thread, that she seems to do better with small groups than large--although after her recent near-cry, she has been much more open and calm there, too--and as anybody who likes to be serious and discuss serious topics a lot more than is usual, that too, makes you ill-at-ease socially, because you usually don't have anybody to talk to; you are always "wrong" some way or other.

Serious introverts also get such bad, inappropriate advice: to abandon their entire personalities and force themselves to seem like extroverts which they don't want to be, for example (a total emotional drain, that then makes it seem like you just got really depressed). This also gives you really creepy behavior, like the "outgoing/schmoozing" type who then does not seem friendly at all, or who "grins" and yet is very tense and stressed. You come across as phony because there is no one to help you be yourself in this very social situation. Sometimes, if you just cry, or however it happens, you have lost the fearful shell or wall to always hide behind, and the "horrible thing" has happened--you were exposed, failed, had an embarrassing or painful emotion and everybody noticed it--and it was actually just fine. You are free.

So much of Hillary Clinton's problem has been the "advice" of extroverted male consultants, telling her to do very unimpressive things, and never showing strength, leadership and warmth as a non-back-slapping woman would. A recent, now-tragic example of this kind of grace and leadership was Benazir Bhutto, very intelligent, poised, warm, but calm and self-contained. There is a way for everybody to do it, even the more introverted; you just have to come out of your shell as your own personality, not somebody else's act. Sometimes the seeming "coldness" or feeling that somebody "doesn't like people," is really the inner pulling away/trying to run away, mentally, from a situation or behavior they are extremely uncomfortable with, when they have no guidelines as to how to really act--there is no one like them that they can relate to, to instruct them by an example that works, etc. Whether or not the Clintons are manipulative, backstabbing, corporate fakes, etc., is another question entirely.

[opihimoimoi]

101. Thank You for a fine informative post......You have set me free in a number of ways

I now understand frustrations held for years is also felt elsewhere too...I suspected so but this condirms...

:toast: :beer: :Luau: :bounce:

[Hekate]

103. This thread has kind of brought us out of the woodwork tonight....

:hi:

[opihimoimoi]

104. Aloha, Komo mai inu, komo mai ai.....nana e ka Po Mahina

There is something about curiosity

[CorpGovActivist]

110. Coolness!

An introvert support group!

:rofl:

- Dave

[supernova]

106. Totally Totally true. Wish I could recommend this post

As a fellow female INTJ, it is very hard in public NOT to come across as cold and non aloof when you really aren't thinking that at all.

I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a campaign rally, a party, or a business meeting, any group really, and upon feeling the intensity in the room not wanting to be overcome by it to the point that I might pass out or even ... cry. The thought of losing emotional control in public is a very scary feeling for an INTJ.

So I completely understand Hillary's little choke up the other day. The other thing is, when you have a strong willed presence like ours, people don't usually ask us about us. How are you doing? Are you able to cope well? We get asked about our latest work accomplishments, our spouses, kids, anybody but us. So, when it does happen, even from a complete stranger, it is very gratifying and kinda lets the dam open. :-)

[CorpGovActivist]

109. Wow...

... female INTJs are like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entwives">Entwives!

"The other thing is, when you have a strong willed presence like ours, people don't usually ask us about us. How are you doing? Are you able to cope well? We get asked about our latest work accomplishments, our spouses, kids, anybody but us. So, when it does happen, even from a complete stranger, it is very gratifying and kinda lets the dam open."

INTJs are people too.

:rofl:

There are a number of non-forced things one can do to help overcome this. I'm a very slight I (once came up as an X, but have never crossed into an E), so that helps. But there are some natural exercises that really, really do help.

- Dave

[supernova]

112. SNARFK Entwife!

:rofl: The Ents are hawt! :evilgrin:

I think I'd like to be a mimosa tree around here. They are lovely trees with pink white flowers like oriental fans.

". But there are some natural exercises that really, really do help."

I try. Whenever I had a large gathering to go to, I'd do things like promise myself I'd introduce myself to 3 new people. Then I could feel free to go home if I didn't feel comfortable.

What kinds of things do you suggest? I'm always looking for new things to cope better. :-) (I've tested out at like 98% "I")

[CorpGovActivist]

113. SNARFK = ???

I wouldn't mind being an Ent, but I'd be a walker. Too kinetic to stay put.

Your goal-setting for gatherings is a good one.

"(I've tested out at like 98% "I")"

Yikes. I barely feel your pain.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22please+understand+me+ii%22+keirsey">Please Understand Me II has some great strategies in it. So does http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22do+what+you+are%22+tieger+perfect+career">Do What You Are.

One very simple thing: entertain a small group of people you like, and try to add one new person each time.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

108. Quiet Rivers Run Deep...

... and you just proved that amply.

There are several online versions of the test to take. Working in DC, it's almost impossible to escape having to take this thing for an employer.

Your points are extremely apt.

- Dave

[donheld]

102. It seemed to me the most genuine moment

I've ever witnessed of Mrs Clinton

[CorpGovActivist]

111. Agreed! n/t