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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:06 AM
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Hillary Clinton: Misunderstood INTJ
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-melcher/hillary-clinton-misunder_b_76282.html

Since 75% of the population is extraverted, extraverts are considered normal. By comparison, introverts are considered a little weird ("why can't you just open up?"). (As I've written in The Creative Lawyer, law is an exception: the majority of lawyers are introverts.) Introverts often have to feign extraversion to succeed in the professional world; their natural style is often not valued. Much of the criticism of Hillary Clinton's authenticity is criticism of her introversion. She's basically criticized for being private and for being careful about her words; and then she's criticized for inauthenticity when she tries to act more extraverted and social.

The second Myers-Briggs function is intuition vs. sensing. Intuitives look for concepts, the big picture, and possibilities. Sensing types are more interested in facts, details and concrete reality. Hillary has some strong sensing skills but my guess that she, like Bill, is an intuitive abbreviated as "N").

The third Myers-Briggs function is thinking vs. feelings. Both of these are ways of thinking. Thinkers prefer to make decisions based on impartial, objective principles, whereas feelers prefer to make decisions based on strongly held personal values or the effect on other people. Thinkers tend to think logically; feelers tend to think associatively. Though Hillary talks a lot about her values, I think that she, like the vast majority of lawyers and virtually all the men running for president (with the possible exception of John Edwards), is a thinker. Bill is a feeler.

Around 60% of women are feelers, and around 60% of men are thinkers. This means that both Hillary and Bill are in the minority for their particular gender. This is where the press gets wigged out. The words commonly used to describe presidential presence are all thinker-ish: strong, clear-headed, tough, questioning, blah blah blah. So the press is constantly evaluating whether she's enough of a thinker to be president. At the same time, the press seems discomfited that Hillary is not more girly: they also want her to be compassionate, open, nuanced -- apparently she is supposed to cry at eulogies.

The final Myers-Briggs polarity is judging/perceiving. This refers to attitudes about closure. People with a preference for judging like to be scheduled, organized, and know where they stand; people with a preference for perceiving are more spontaneous and open-ended. Hillary is a J, Bill is a big P.

Conclusion: Hillary Clinton: INTJ. Bill Clinton: ENFP.

What's the point? Since Hillary is in the spotlight, more or less 24/7, people assume that everything she does has some core meaning that has implications for her potential presidency or her character. But sometimes Hillary is just being an introvert, and that's that.

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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:07 AM
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1. Yeah, I'm an introvert (but a "feeling" one) and I'm pretty misunderstood.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:38 PM
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19. Typelogic...
... and other sites have some http://www.typelogic.com/">great tools to help overcome that.

- Dave
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:09 AM
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2. And how should we tell the meaningful moments from the non-meaningful moments?
Since we are called upon to judge her as a candidate, it would be nice to know.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:05 PM
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16. Penn's Focus Groups Will Tell Us n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:14 AM
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3. Hill is the best. The rest of the the ignoramuses are are too dumb
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:14 PM
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11. She's Running for President of The People, Not Oxford Don n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 PM
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14. "ignoramuses are are too dumb"
Are are they? :dunce:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:56 PM
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15. Yes, yes n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:31 AM
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4. Her Failure, As an INTJ...
... to connect, is no one's fault but her own, http://www.google.com/search?q=corpgovactivist+intj&hl=en&filter=0">as discussed previously.

- Dave
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:32 AM
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5. INTx here...
And I'm having trouble buying this angle, frankly.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:41 AM
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6. INTJ (Once Only xNTJ)...
... and my response upthread deals with my own amusement at this recycled apologia.

- Dave
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:44 AM
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7. Excuses, exuses
Clinton will be in the spotlight CONSTANTLY if she is elected POTUS, so she should be able to handle this type of exposure.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:06 AM
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9. INTJ Presidents
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html

We cannot afford to have an INTJ President incapable of overcoming her "misunderstood" status, especially on the world stage. If Jefferson, Kennedy, and Wilson could communicate their ideas effectively...

- Dave
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:50 AM
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8. Very interesting
I'm an introvert too and people either seem to love me or really hate me...I can see Hillary's problem. I'm not really a fan of her's, maybe this explains some of the problem.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:46 PM
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13. It's a Start, but Her Problems Go the Core of Her Message n/t
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:37 AM
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10. Maybe it's just me, but...
I just don't care about the psycho babble.

Introverted, yeah, that's fine. She can rise to the occasion to speak, and otherwise prefers to 'confab' on things until she's got it. I'm fine with that.
Intuitive, I probably am too. I'm fine with that.
Thinker, well I don't really believe in those impartial truths that seem to be the crux of this axis of personality, so I guess my 'relativism' would qualify me as a feeler. Again, it's not an issue.
Judging... again, not my way of looking at things, but so be it.

My problem is I'm just too liberal to be fond of her pragmatic moderate-to-conservative leanings. She's a self-described "Goldwater girl". I don't have any problems understanding her, and I don't have any deep seated resentments toward her. I'm sure she'd make a great president. I just want to think someone willing to pursue a more liberal agenda might have a chance.
And I think this might be the year of the liberal.
I'm willing to gamble my vote on it.
Then again, I've been willing to gamble my vote on Cthulu in the past (a vote which I think might've caught up with me with GWB).

This time around though, I don't think there's any need to vote for Cthulu. The Democrats actually present some real candidates this time around. If you're feeling like populism, Edwards is the man. If you're feeling like Cerebral, unifying almost-populism, then Obama is your man. If you're feeling like centrist almost hawkishness, then Clinton's your woman. They're all viable and worthwhile candidates.
Even Richardson is ok, though a little clueless on Gay issues, while perhaps better acquainted with executive issues.

Maybe I'm just drunk, but it doesn't seem to me to boil down to a personality issue, or a warm and fuzzy issue... it's about the approach to governing that you favor. If you like the policies, who cares if it's a robot implementing same or a person?
Hell, if you favor market approaches, vote for friggin Mitt Romney. Probable Mormon intolerance might prevail, but he's got great fiscal ideas to approach health care, which won't upset the insurance companies at all...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:36 PM
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12. It's Not Just You n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:07 PM
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17. Hillary appears to be owned by corporate interests. I don't need to understand much more than that..
I'm heavily introverted (19 out of 20 on the MB scale). I can understand her use of negativity in the debates in lieu of what an extrovert would do naturally, but...

I suppose that even as an introvert, I want an extrovert in a position of leadership. Introverts are great at sitting down and getting things done, but not leading. If she wants to create change, she's already in a great position from which to do so.

You've helped me to understand her a bit better, but it does nothing against the corporate ties.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:25 PM
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18. She's Well-Suited to Be a Senator...
... and has a permanent seat in the Senate, if she chooses to embrace it.

- Dave
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