****OFFICIAL DEM NH DEBATE THREAD #1******

[napi21]

[Subdivisions]

1. Here we go! K&R.

[Solly Mack]

2. 'bout to start

Thanks!!

[AlCzervik]

3. game on! thanks Napi21.

[napi21]

YW. When it got to thread 7, it was out of control. Hope the Dems do well

tonight. This is one of the very few on national broadcast TV!

[WinkyDink]

4. Gibson sounded a bit fumbling in getting out of the gate. And WE will get the tough questions.

[robbedvoter]

7. hard to change gears - from special ed to high level

[Evergreen Emerald]

62. lol

[MichiganVote]

5. Kucinich should be in this debate

[WinkyDink]

12. Agreed!! It's not like he would take up much space! (I keed, I keed!)

It is TOTALLY UNFAIR that he isn't there.

[Adelante]

19. Totally nt

[robbedvoter]

13. And so should Gravel.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. Is he even working on the ground in NH?

I know he didn't in Iowa, but I'm not sure about NH.

[flvegan]

41. Very much so.

He "skipped" Iowa, probably since he was overlooked in THAT debate maybe. He's been on the ground in NH for several days.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

64. Thanks!

Being where I am I hear little other than what I can glean from the internet.

[flvegan]

27. Which is why I refuse to watch this msm sponsored infomercial.

[Peggy Day]

There were 6 people on the other side!

[MichiganVote]

53. ME/Pakistan/OBL

General question: how aggressive should you be to get OBL

Obama-"everything in our power"..."work with Pakistan" On nuclear proliferation--"rebuild nuclear non proliferation"

Edwards-"go get him"...long term, nuclear proliferation...adhoc policy not working

Richardson-"use diplomacy first" "seek not to inflame ME" "ask Mushareff to stop aside" "We have the leverage to do that" "actionable intelligence=take action"

Clinton-"we have to be very conscious of all the consequences" "Did not make the committment to catch OBL, "actionable inteligence=given very through evaluation

[annabanana]

6. the feed has gone to a slide show format

[Radio_Lady]

28. Not true. Looked like buffering problem or many people joined on the Internet...

and overloaded their server.

[wundermaus]

8. any links to streaming video?

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html

[annabanana]

14. here

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html

[Warren Stupidity]

16. here

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html

[barbtries]

22. here

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html

[Solly Mack]

9. Shouldn't Bush be asked this question?

[Warren Stupidity]

10. 1st question BE AFRAID!11!!11!1 AL QAEDER HAS NUKES!!1!1

WTF?

[soulcore]

11. and right off the bat with the TERRA!

[SeattleGirl]

17. You didn't expect anything else, did you?

Terra, terra, terra! Keep the sheeple afraid, very, very afraid!

[soulcore]

15. why are there only 4 candidates on that stage?

Kuchinich should indeed be in this debate, even if they don't want to call it one.

[forsberg]

Kucinich is not a viable candidate

if he has no chance of winning, why have him out there to waste time and oxygen. Heck even Richardson shouldn't be there

[Warren Stupidity]

29. But Richardson is there. So it sucks.

[soulcore]

33. your opinion of his electability

should have no bearing on his being able to debate in the forum.

But thanks for playing.

[forsberg]

39. well maybe we should include every tom dick and harry then...

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. How about we let the American people decide who is viable and who isn't?

:argh: Let them all be heard and we will sort it out! :banghead:

[Peggy Day]

61. All of the republicans are viable? There were 6 of them

[tbyg52]

127. Well, he has no chance of winning

because he cannot get a fair shake on the M$M, and he cannot get a fair shake on the M$M because.... You get the picture.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. Indeed - Phred got on stage.

[WinkyDink]

18. "Pah-ki-stahn". Prolly correct, but I say "Pack-i-stan", myself.

[smalll]

31. No, YOU are right -

It has ALWAYS been short-as. It's a contemporary American thing, taking all foreign/"exotic" words with As in them and making them "ah" by default --

[smalll]

20. Richardson needs Milk of Magnesia or something. He's hurting. /nt

[kurth]

21. Al Qaeda Al Qaeda Al Qaeda Al Qaeda Al Qaeda We Must Work With The Pakistani Government

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

23. two threads running at same time, link to other

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2604430

[Solly Mack]

25. So basically...they are being asked how they will fix Bush's failures

[Lone_Star_Dem]

30. That's pretty much what their job will be

Sad, but true.

[Solly Mack]

42. Just wanted to state the implication of the question out loud

'cause the implication is most definitely there

[tekisui]

44. Exactly.

And they have to have foreign policy understanding, unlike the boy chimp.

[knowledgeispwr]

35. Sounds like it. n/t

[annabanana]

32. Gibson playing Gotcha with Obama... claiming he & Bush

have the same policy re : bin ladin

[JohnnyLib2]

34. Seemed like it.

[davidwparker]

36. Gibson trying to show there's no difference between what * did and what

a Dem will do. Not candidate-specific, he'll do it for all of them.

[JohnnyLib2]

37. Obama and Edwards going first, each with very long answers.

Seems like a fair question, overall.

[tammywammy]

38. I thought it was a fair question as well

[JerseygirlCT]

46. Good question, I agree

I'm still uncomfortable with Richardson's answer.

[davidwparker]

40. I prefer this format to the other one. This needs to be duplicated with the

candidates not included in this one. Rather than have so many as with this cycle, need to have a few of them at a time over a period of time. One on one with each other in a conversation with followups.

Excellent format.

[tekisui]

45. It's too bad Biden isn't there to give us a better understanding.

[JerseygirlCT]

48. I know! nt

[davidwparker]

49. he's going to be someone's secretary of state.

[JerseygirlCT]

52. I don't think so

He's said he would have more influence and ability to help from his senate position on Foreign Relations.

[tammywammy]

57. Agreed

This is where Biden would shine.

[bdamomma]

82. I wish he was still there.

Is there anyway we could get him back???? Just wishful thinking.

[bdamomma]

83. .......

delete

[druidity33]

47. any links to streaming audio? nt

[spooky3]

51. see post #16 above

[druidity33]

117. doesn't work for me...

:(

older Mac OS...

[smalll]

50. In these first few minutes, I have to say, the Dems seem more "low energy"

than the Pukes were.

[JerseygirlCT]

54. Maybe just less nervous?

After all, they might actually have answers to the questions!

[Labors of Hercules]

56. They're all tired as hell.

[Tactical Progressive]

55. Notice how every Democrat's answer is better

deeper, more nuanced and reasonable than Publicans on this, which is basically 'We'll go after the terrists to protect America!'

It's like the adults are now debating.

[Labors of Hercules]

59. very much so. These people are incredible!

Every one of them.

[JerseygirlCT]

60. Yes, absolutely

Smart, adult answers to complicated questions.

We can't get one of them in office soon enough!

[soulcore]

58. Sorry Hill, Mushy WASN'T elected either.

*sigh

[Madam Mossfern]

69. Our "guys"

are so much smarter. All of them.
Eek nuclear attack?

[Tactical Progressive]

74. Actually I think he was

just not to start out with.

I'm not sure though, you may be right.

[Evergreen Emerald]

79. He was.

[Evergreen Emerald]

88. I know I am biased, but Dang, Clinton looks and sounds

so much more Presidential than the other guys. She is very good.

[Tactical Progressive]

95. I agree

And all of our other candidates sound more Presidential than any of the Publicans.

[soulcore]

106. no, he wasn't.

Wikipedia is your friend.

[Tactical Progressive]

123. OK, thanks

Wiki:

Musharraf formally appointed himself President on June 20, 2001.

On May 12, 2000, the Supreme Court ordered Musharraf to hold national elections by October 12, 2002;
elections for local governments took place in 2001.

In an attempt to legitimize his presidency and assure its continuance after the approaching restoration of democracy, he held a referendum on April 30, 2002 to extend his term to five years after the October elections. However, the referendum was ... heavily rigged.

Musharraf went on TV and apologized to the nation for "irregularities" in the referendum.

...
And alot more anti-democratic garbage by Musharraf.


On hopeful point I saw:

On September 17, 2005, Musharraf made a historic speech before a broad based audience of Jewish leadership, sponsored by the Council for World Jewry, in New York City. In the speech, he denounced terrorism and opened the door to relationships between Pakistan and Israel, as well as between the Muslim world and Jews worldwide. He was widely criticized by Middle Eastern Arab leaders and Muslim clerics, but was met with some praise among Jewish leadership.

[Warren Stupidity]

128. Not in anything ressembling a free and fair election. nt.

[JerseygirlCT]

63. I don't care for Richardson's insistence on asking

Musharraf to step aside. That's not something to telegraph, even if it were to be done diplomatically. Trading raised (beyond what's already nuts) tensions for some small personal gain in the polls doesn't strike me as particularly smart.

[JohnnyLib2]

66. Is it an attack on Clinton and Obama?

Or, an attempt to separate himself?


The fine points are over my head, sad to say.

[JerseygirlCT]

73. I'm guessing it's his attempt to sound strong

but it has such a chance to further inflame tensions there... I think it's irresponsible, myself.

Musharraf's a creep. But he's the creep walking a razor's edge now. I think we need to get him off the edge first, and then get him gone. The way to do that is to make sure the Pakistani people have a free and fair election, I think.

I'm just very distrustful of what seems to me to be a "cowboy" answer. Too much of that already has caused many of the problems we're dealing with now, you know?

[smalll]

65. Obama's voice is not good. He's worn it out over the past couple of days.

That's what inexperience can do to you. :shrug:

[JerseygirlCT]

67. LOL, Someone needs to tell Gibson that you can't query "Senator?"

without a name in this bunch!

[dysfunctional press]

68. hey hillary- we have no business trying to control "what comes next in Pakistan"...

that is up to the Pakistani people to decide!

[Tactical Progressive]

70. Hillary blew them all away on Osama / Pakistan

They were all good, but Hillary showed a depth of understanding and clarity of approach that was far more comprehensive and concise.

And she managed to put it clearly on Bush at the end. Obama did that also.

[Evergreen Emerald]

71. she did!

[JerseygirlCT]

77. I think she did well, too

But I also think Obama and Edwards did, as well. (Edwards could do with learning to be more concise. I think maybe that's an occupational hazard, though. He said what he wanted to say more than once and I found myself drifting.)

[RL3AO]

84. She told me she would nuke Pakistan to take out Osama

either that, or she doesn't know how an airstrike works.

[Tactical Progressive]

97. I hope you got a recording of her telling you that

It would be big news! You'd get on CNN with that.

[annabanana]

72. Edwards responded well to that God Awful question.

[smalll]

75. For once, Edwards is the NON-phony -

he just said PACK-i-stan, rather than the "PAHK-i-stahn" bullshit I've heard from the others (and Charlie Gibson.)

This is a very recently modern American error: taking all foreign words with "a" in them and saying "ah" -- I guess people feel it makes them sound more exotic and/or "learned." It's so wrong!

[sillyphoenix]

78. pronunciation

Don't the Pakistanis themselves pronounce it "PAHK-ee-stahn"?

[davidwparker]

81. yes

[spooky3]

85. yes - I had a grad assistant from there; also a friend from

25 years ago who traveled there extensively pronounced it that way, so it is not a "new American thing."

[smalll]

86. I don't really think so. I know for SURE this is a new thing. I know the British ....

have always said it with short-"a"s. I think a Pakistani will say it with short-"a"s as well. Their short-"a"s might not be as short as ours, but they still have them.

[shadowknows69]

89. Once again Edwards doesn't exist

[Warren Stupidity]

The current topic excludes edwards. WTF?

[JerseygirlCT]

80. I think that's a matter of personal preference

Myself, I bristle when I hear EYE-rack.

[davidwparker]

90. if you want to know how to pronounce something, listen to

Christiane Amanpour.

[knowledgeispwr]

91. I wouldn't say it's an error

The "ah" sound is more common (as a language sound) than our "a" in "cat" (American English).

[salin]

76. Gibson is doing a good job.

He gave questions that were tough to the repubs - and following up to get it tougher and is doing the same thing here.

[Tactical Progressive]

87. Yeah, he was tough on the Pubs

now that you mention it. At least sometimes, which is more than the media usually does.

[davidwparker]

93. Gibson and KO have done wonderful jobs.

[JerseygirlCT]

92. Hillary makes the first strike

I hope Obama answers her strongly.

[Subdivisions]

94. Whoa! Hill just went for Barack's jugular!

[davidwparker]

96. take the gloves off. I want to hear each of you call the other one out on

discrepancies while you are together. get it all on the table.

[Pastiche423]

98. If I din't like Clinton before

I can't stand her now.

[superkia]

124. She must always get her way because she was getting loud...

and coming off like a spoiled child there for a minute. isn't she like 60 years old or something, I cant imagine my mother responding like that and yelling at the host. Do we really want that as the representation for our country when we keep talking about change and how we are viewed?

[Pastiche423]

126. Can you imagine going from the voice we have now

(If you can call it a voice) to her shrillness when she doesn't get her way?

At one time I tried hard to find something I could like about her. I finally quit trying.

[smalll]

99. Not only is Obama's voice the most damaged of the 4 tonight, but also -

the collar of his suit keeps standing up away from his shirt at the back of his neck. That always looks terrible on everyone.

They ALL look tired. I don't know how they do it. If I was up on that stage with them after Iowa and now 3 days till the NH primary - I'd have great big bags under my eyes, droopy eyelids, a little cross-eyed. Hell, I'm like that if I go for more than a couple of days with less than 8 hours sleep!

[shadowknows69]

101. At least Barack is acknowledging Edwards

And told Gibson he wants him to respond.

[JerseygirlCT]

100. Clinton's advisors must have told her to get tough

But I think this combativeness won't help her at all.

[ClayZ]

102. Yup!

[Subdivisions]

103. Edwards throws a jaw-jacker at Hill!

[ClayZ]

105. KaBOOOM

[Subdivisions]

108. Hillary's hysterical!!! n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

104. "the forces of status quo"

Oh, he's clever.

I'll bet she barely felt that knife going in.

[Emit]

109. She felt it

Hear her voice and tone change?

[davidwparker]

110. agreed

[Madam Mossfern]

113. Two teams here

It seems like Hillary and Rchardson (can't we all get along?) and Edwards and Obama.
Whoa!!!

[JerseygirlCT]

116. It is interesting watching the shifts

Is Edwards hoping to capitalize on Obama's momentum?

And is Richardson hoping to make nice again -- still hoping for that VP slot?

[tammywammy]

119. Yes I think so

He's trying to push Hillary into a firmer third place and keep himself in at 2nd.

[Madam Mossfern]

114. Two teams here

It seems like Hillary and Rchardson (can't we all get along?) and Edwards and Obama.
Whoa!!!

[Madam Mossfern]

115. Two teams here

sorry triple post-new computer

[Emit]

107. Edwards painting Clinton as status quo

Making some good points actually and she seems defensive

[smalll]

111. Good line by Richardson -- but does he have to apologize to the leper community now? /nt

[davidwparker]

112. Richardson, kumbaya later. I want a real debate. Your joke was funny, though.

[Madam Mossfern]

120. Did Hillary just say that she would start bringing troops home immediately?

Talk about flip-flopping

[JerseygirlCT]

121. Sounded like to me

There was a little itty bitty loophole at the end, I thought (can't remember the wording), but yeah, sounds like she wanted to sound like they'd be out right away.

[countmyvote4real]

118. Does anybody believe these ABC background pieces that introduce the questions?

I don't think they're entirely true.

[JerseygirlCT]

122. Feels like we're seeing in Richardson a man who knows he's

got his last shot with tonight before the stage is set for 3.

[Madam Mossfern]

125. Uh oh

She played the gender card