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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:39 PM
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CNBC's Najarian Brothers Promoting Obama..."He won't do Socialized Medicine!"
What really made me wake up and listen was what some segment of Wall St. thinks about the Obama Win...and their new show "FAST MONEY" has a panel and when one of the Najarian Brothers (Big GURU Wall St. Traders) said THREE TIMES....With Obama we won't have to worry about "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!"

What the hell does this mean... and the comment was followed by "the Insurance Reform is "all Bark and No Bite"...meaning that Obama (or many another Dem) will NOT cause Wall St. PAIN (:scared) with Single Payer or other Health Care Reforms.


I've been watching CNBC before it was CNBC when it was the old FNN which focused on Real Information about Stocks..the "Fundamentals" before the Dot.Com Mania and the Bush "Trading Mentality" took hold.

I find they have changed so much that for a "real investor" it became "Smoke and Mirrors and Hype" but if you've watched them long enough you can read "between the lines" and they've made me some money "reading between lines" and "cautioned me" when I knew which shill they have on to listen to.

Just reporting...you all decide what you want to do. And, my candidate is still Kucinich...so you know where my thoughts on "Health Care/Insurance" are coming from. WHY would WALL STREET TRADERS think Obama won't be for what he called "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE?" A love for Obama because he's NOT FOR CHANGE?

Is this worrisome to anyone? :shrug:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:42 PM
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1. I think there's so much rhetoric going on...

..and this stage of the game. Who knows? Maybe they're just trying to distance themselves from the bogeyman of socialism, but will still act on behalf of the people when they get a chance.

It's hard to know what to believe at this stage, I think.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:48 PM
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4. Easy enough to look at his record
Except most people won't because they prefer political games if it can bash their opponent.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:16 PM
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24. Well...give us a Synopsis of Obama's Health Care Plan and how it differs from Kucinich's
for an example. :shrug: Just because a couple of CNBC GURU's say Obama isn't for "Socialized Medicine" doesn't make it TRUE...but it's up to Obama supporters to REFUTE their claims. Frankly...only Repugs call Health Care Fairness "Socialized Medicine" so I figured the CNBC guys were Repugs dissing Obama.

So...what's his plan? I'm for "Single Payer" but I know the Insurance Companies will never go for that...but figure there must be a way that we can get enough of even "BASIC CARE" to cover us by using Preventive Medical Care to avoid the BIG MED BILLS down the line for those who have NO ACCESS to the Basics.

How do we do this? :shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:43 PM
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27. Kucinich isn't going to be President
And you're perfectly capable of typing barackobama.com into your address bar.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:11 PM
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23. Agree...Cutting through the "Rhetoric" is full time job and makes one's head
explode with all the stuff flying in corporate media. I read the Marketeer site here on DU and links and do independent research and watch the MSM/CNBC... It's all too much. But, my take is that there's a "Bad Moon Rising." A bunch of bad stuff festering and papered over and overed up for over a decade is COMING DOWN THE PIKE...RIGHT AT US! Finding a way to work through this and keep sanity and a few coins "under the mattress" or safe is going to be a daunting task.....
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:43 PM
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2. Awesome. Who needs socialized medicine except for the middle class and the poor?
And the moderately rich. I think Sicko exposed that insurance is a joke.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:09 PM
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9. If "Insurance is a Joke" what happens if we get in a car wreck or get Cancer or Diabetes?
How do we pay for surgery, chemotherapy or dialysis? Or, should we just die...because our time is up.

What if one of our kids is injured in car wreck or school incidenct on class trip or in classroom, or if your wife had brain cancer, breast cancer or your kid gets leukemia or has a broken limb. Or what if your brother, sister or parents are diagnosed with Diabetes and the only way for them to live is thousands on dialysis?

How do we deal? Do we just let everyone die while Cheney and the Wealthy get "Custom Care?" Is this fair. If we all are going to die...shouldn't our DEATH BE FAIR? :shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:48 PM
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3. He made it permanent for kids in Illinois
He also introduced a constitutional amendment to make health care a right. Why don't you look at his record.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:30 PM
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13. It's good he did it for kids but what about us who were downsized from jobs and are paying
$20,000 a year for health insurance? :shrug: Small Business owners here and we are paying $20,000 a year for health insurance. We WORK to pay our health insurance!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:57 PM
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16. Read his plan
It's on his web site. I'm not going to pamper you. If you want to know, I know you're fully competent to find out. Just don't think you're going to get away with posting unsubstantiated attacks.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:31 PM
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26. Here's his plan....the part that's so complicated and would take so long to do
that it would be YEARS before Congress could sort it out...and only certain pieces favorable to the Insurance Lobbyists would EVER be enacted! It's too COMPLICATED and it's too "Pie in the SKY with OPTIMISM! It's long on "FEEL GOOD" and short on "Practicality" of getting any of it past the Lobbyists and Repugs and the Blue Dogs on the Hill! here:

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* National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
* Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.
* Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
* Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.
* Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.

Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System

* Reducing Costs of Catastrophic Illnesses for Employers and Their Employees: Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.
* Helping Patients:
1. Support disease management programs. Seventy five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. Obama will require that providers that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care, give doctors better information and lower costs.
2. Coordinate and integrate care. Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease and these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly. Obama will support implementation of programs and encourage team care that will improve coordination and integration of care of those with chronic conditions.
3. Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.
* Ensuring Providers Deliver Quality Care:
1. Promote patient safety. Obama will require providers to report preventable medical errors and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future occurrences.
2. Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHBP will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures.
3. Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.
4. Tackle disparities in health care. Obama will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. He will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care through quality measurement and reporting, implementation of effective interventions such as patient navigation programs, and diversification of the health workforce.
5. Reform medical malpractice. Obama will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance and will promote new models for addressing errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and reduce the need for malpractice suits.
* Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems: Most medical records are still stored on paper, which makes it hard to coordinate care, measure quality or reduce medical errors and which costs twice as much as electronic claims. Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records, and will phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT. Obama will ensure that patients' privacy is protected.
* Lowering Costs by Increasing Competition in the Insurance and Drug Markets: The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.
1. Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.
2. Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.


Fight for New Initiatives

* Advance the Biomedical Research Field: As a result of biomedical research the prevention, early detection and treatment of diseases such as cancer and heart disease is better today than any other time in history. Barack Obama has consistently supported funding for the national institutes of health and the national science foundation. Obama strongly supports investments in biomedical research, as well as medical education and training in health-related fields, because it provides the foundation for new therapies and diagnostics. Obama has been a champion of research in cancer, mental health, health disparities, global health, women and children's health, and veterans' health. As president, Obama will strengthen funding for biomedical research, and better improve the efficiency of that research by improving coordination both within government and across government/private/non-profit partnerships. An Obama administration will ensure that we translate scientific progress into improved approaches to disease prevention, early detection and therapy that is available for all Americans.
* Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.
* Support Americans with Disabilities: As a former civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama knows firsthand the importance of strong protections for minority communities in our society. Obama is committed to strengthening and better enforcing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so that future generations of Americans with disabilities have equal rights and opportunities. Obama believes we must restore the original legislative intent of the ADA in the wake of court decisions that have restricted the interpretation of this landmark legislation.

Barack Obama is also committed to ensuring that disabled Americans receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low-cost, effective and timely manner. Recognizing that many individuals with disabilities rely on Medicare, Obama worked with Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) to urge the department of health and human services to provide clear and reliable information on the Medicare prescription drug benefit and to ensure that the Medicare recipients were protected from fraudulent claims by marketers and drug plan agents.
* Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.
* Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.
* Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.
* Support Americans with Autism. More than one million Americans have autism, a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of autism have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes that we can do more to help autistic Americans and their families understand and live with autism. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for autism research on the root causes and treatments, and he believes that we should increase funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to truly ensure that no child is left behind.

More than anything, autism remains a profound mystery with a broad spectrum of effects on autistic individuals, their families, loved ones, the community, and education and health care systems. Obama believes that the government and our communities should work together to provide a helping hand to autistic individuals and their families.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:45 PM
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I have subsidized insurance right now
Every state has an SCHIP program that only needs to be expanded.

If you think this would take a long time, how long do you think it would take to divise a single payer plan?

At least you figured out how to get the info for yourself, that's a step in the right direction.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:00 PM
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5. So two post about Obama and his connection to the Health care industry.
boy you people that support him...yuk he had me fooled. I thought he wouldn't be ready to be president for 7 or 8 years but hell now stuff is coming out where I don't think he'll ever be ready to be president.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:03 PM
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6. I like how the media keeps referring to Obama as a "progressive" candidate
He's progressive in exactly what way?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:10 PM
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10. In a way, its good news
they're cast the "progressive" label in a positive light, making it easier for real Dem progressive candidates to win.

Obama is definitely not progressive, however. I'd be surprised if even he considered himself one.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:28 PM
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12. Obama is NOT a PROGRESSIVE...he's a "Status Quo" and his message is Hope
and Comity. It's not "go after Wall St. and the Drug Companies. :shrug: It's all about working with the Repugs to achieve a good balance for legislation. I've listened to Obama's Speeches and that's what he says. He's NOT into "Rocking the Boat" of the "Status Quo." He's more inline with Pelosi and Reid which many DU'ers are totally in favor of...but many are not...the one's who saw Election 2000 STOLEN from Al Gore. Just saying....:shrug:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:48 PM
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30. He has the most progressive record of the top three candidates
He has a long record of fighting for the environment, labor, equal rights, reducing corporate power in government and health care. Look up his work in Illinois.

A few tortured misinterpretations of lines in speeches doesn't make him a conservative.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:07 PM
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7. He has the worst health care reform plan of all the Dems
one of the major reasons why the GOP and corporations are pushing for him. They're hedging their bets - figuring:

a - Obama is less likely to win the GE than other Dems

b - in the event he does win, he has the most corporate friendly health care plan

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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:09 PM
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8. AMEN!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:59 PM
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17. Because he doesn't mandate money to insurance companies?
That's just crazy. I don't know why I am consistently surprised at how easily people are bamboozled with campaign propaganda, but it is just proven true again and again. If Edwards had attacked mandates, all his supporters would be too. It's mind-blowing.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:01 PM
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19. Oh, and Edwards doesn't start with a mandate either
His mandate comes AFTER all the other policies are implemented. It's got nothing to do with getting everybody in or cutting costs or anything of the kind. Why don't you go read the plan for yourself.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:25 PM
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11. Kucinch has the best with Edwards Second is what I've read...
but whatever....that a WALL ST. GURU is saying Obama Good three times because he won't do the dreaded "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE" leads me to belive that Najarian was either an Obama supporter or a Contrarian putting out misinformation. But to mention this THREE TIMES over an hour long show...means he has ties into Obama's Campaign...because you just don't do this kind of Planting of stories on GE/CNBC unless your Corporate Masters tell you to. :shrug:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:32 PM
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14. Oh please
:rofl:

The "corporate masters" planting little seeds.

I only hope nobody takes this paranoid nonsense seriously.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:44 PM
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15. You don't know about the Corporate Interests that Own our Media?
:rofl: back attcha....Ge: CNBC/MSNBC/NBC? Huh?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:01 PM
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18. I'm well aware of corporate control of the media
I'm a Marxist, for chrissakes.

Whether there are "Corporate Masters" sending you secret campaign messages through hidden surrogates, however, is another matter altogether, and one better handled by a board certified psychiatrist (needless to say, then you'll bump up against the Corporate Medical Establishment, with their additional Secret Messages).
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:19 PM
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25. So..."Corporate Masters" planting seeds on CNBC promoting Obama's Health Care Plan?
because "it isn't Socialized Medicine" :shrug:

Can you give a little more info on where you are coming from in what you really believe about health care and reform or no reform?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:45 PM
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28. We need massive healthcare reform
Our system would be better served if it looked like the systems in Western Europe or Canada.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:02 PM
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20. every plan but dennis`s is insuring the insurance companies
the differences between any other plans is not enough to get upset about. if i make 4 more years i`ll get socialized commie insurance from the government----medicare!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:06 PM
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21. I know what you mean....I'm in
your same boat....:-( or maybe :-)'s if it's still there and they don't have to cut it because of Stock Market Meltdown and Gov't having spent it all on WAR! :scared:
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Dawggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:09 PM
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22. Thanks for posting this.
It's going to take a form of social revolution before we get the insurance industry under control.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:46 PM
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29. It would be a very good thing
if we remove the phrase "socialized medicine" from the health care debate. We need to do that to get something passed. This is a very good sign about Obama's ability to get things done.
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